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(02-08-2019 09:40 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Sorry, but one of the very first "tax literacy" posts describing how they are getting screwed is false. This is a fake bogus story.

The people who will be paying more in taxes will be those who own multiple million dollar homes, or who were paying extremely high state taxes to where the new DOUBLE standard deductions doesnt quite cover the difference. Those people need to take their tax issues up with their state.

Everyone I have spoken with are getting cuts. And they are SIGNIFICANT.

I'm certain I'll be smiling YUGELY in the 'sip....

I'm simply waiting on the paperwork to arrive....

it's disturbing how people don't understand inflated $$$ and how it burdens those that play the game fairly....

I have zero sympathy for those bastages....
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BOT accounts set up by dem operatives make negative tweets about Trump. Shocking.
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(02-08-2019 07:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I made more money last year than the previous year. Paid in less to the state and got s bigger federal refund. I don’t itemize.

I'll never understand why getting a bigger refund is a good thing....

I stopped loaning at zero interest moons ago....

It's not. But if you had it worked out where what you were withholding was about right, and they changed it without you knowing (this is the first I've heard of it), I could see how you could wind up owing money to the IRS and feel frustrated about it.
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(02-08-2019 10:05 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 07:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I made more money last year than the previous year. Paid in less to the state and got s bigger federal refund. I don’t itemize.

I'll never understand why getting a bigger refund is a good thing....

I stopped loaning at zero interest moons ago....

It's not. But if you had it worked out where what you were withholding was about right, and they changed it without you knowing (this is the first I've heard of it), I could see how you could wind up owing money to the IRS and feel frustrated about it.

while I understand that sentiment, it's the richie riches that no longer have an out....

that's the beauty of the 'tax cut'....

it's the purest in irony pal....
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Some with unique employee circumstances might take a hit. I know a salesman that does not have a company car and is not compensated for his mileage. He always itemizes and takes a large auto deduction for those miles. It’s about a 18-20k deduction that he will lose. Add that to his mortgage interest and his other smaller itemized deductians—-and he may actually be the type of person that the new standard deduction won’t offset his lost itemized deductions. By and large—the vast majority of Americans will come out way ahead under the new tax bills. Those that don’t will be those using lots of itemized deductions or those with tons of mortgage interest (those with multiple homes will get hurt). However—most folks with multiple homes make a crap load of money—so the lower marginal rates will probably offset most (or all) of the effect of these lost deductions.
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Oh, well if a bunch of faceless twitter accounts (likely bots) said so..
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(02-08-2019 10:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Some employees might take a hit. I know a salesman that does not have a company car and is not compensated for his mileage. He always itemizes and takes a large auto deduction for those miles. It’s about a 18K deduction that he will lose. Add that to his mortgage interest and his deduction for kids—and he may actually be the type of person that the new standard won’t offset his lost itemized deductions. By and large—the vast majority of Americans will come out way ahead under the new tax bills. Those that don’t will be those with a lot of itemized deductions or those with tons of mortgage interest (those with multiple homes will get hurt). However—most folks with multiple homes make a crap load of money—so the lower marginal rates will probably offset most (or all) of the effect of these lost deductions.

yep....and those that lost the mileage deduction need to renegotiate with their employer or find another job with an employer that will....
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(02-08-2019 07:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I made more money last year than the previous year. Paid in less to the state and got s bigger federal refund. I don’t itemize.

I'll never understand why getting a bigger refund is a good thing....

I stopped loaning at zero interest moons ago....

I just set a rate and go. Usually that refund goes into a slush fund and if something comes up or we take a nice vacation we have it.
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All of this so the rich can get richer and the poor poorer. We will remember..........................
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(02-08-2019 10:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I know a salesman that does not have a company car and is not compensated for his mileage. He always itemizes and takes a large auto deduction for those miles. It’s about a 18-20k deduction that he will lose.

Is he 1099 (schedule C)?

If so, that deduction wasn't touched. The mileage rate in 2019 is 58 cents.

Quote:The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has issued the 2019 standard mileage rates. Beginning on January 1, 2019, the standard mileage rates for the use of a car, van, pickup or panel truck will be:

58 cents per mile for business miles driven (up from 54.5 cents in 2018)

Keep in mind that, under tax reform, taxpayers can no longer claim a miscellaneous itemized deduction for unreimbursed employee travel expenses. That deduction was eliminated from Schedule A alongside similar deductions like the home office deduction. You can see how those changes will affect Schedule A here. This does not affect any deductions that are properly claimed on a Schedule C for the self-employed, freelancers and independent contractors.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli...188e315e51
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(02-08-2019 10:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Some with unique employee circumstances might take a hit. I know a salesman that does not have a company car and is not compensated for his mileage. He always itemizes and takes a large auto deduction for those miles. It’s about a 18-20k deduction that he will lose. Add that to his mortgage interest and his other smaller itemized deductians—-and he may actually be the type of person that the new standard deduction won’t offset his lost itemized deductions. By and large—the vast majority of Americans will come out way ahead under the new tax bills. Those that don’t will be those using lots of itemized deductions or those with tons of mortgage interest (those with multiple homes will get hurt). However—most folks with multiple homes make a crap load of money—so the lower marginal rates will probably offset most (or all) of the effect of these lost deductions.

This sounds a little off. Most of my truck drivers that averaged 125k miles per year and could also deduct per diems and hotels rarely had a deduction much over 25k. Even deducting 100% of his auto payment, maintenance, and mileage it seems like it would be difficult to get to an 18-20k deduction.
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(02-08-2019 10:43 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All of this so the rich can get richer and the poor poorer. We will remember..........................

You posted a bunch of fake stories from bot accounts, equivalent to when leftists all had woke 4 year olds teaching us about Trump's America. Little did they know that jumping on the bandwagon with their own fake story was easily exposed by the twitter keyword search feature.

Seek help.
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He's obviously not an independent contractor. He clearly states that he is a salesman for the company. He might want to look into going as an independent contractor but that has significant pitfalls also.

All of this so the rich can get richer and put us into the hole another 1.5 trillion.
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(02-08-2019 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 07:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 07:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I made more money last year than the previous year. Paid in less to the state and got s bigger federal refund. I don’t itemize.

I'll never understand why getting a bigger refund is a good thing....

I stopped loaning at zero interest moons ago....

I just set a rate and go. Usually that refund goes into a slush fund and if something comes up or we take a nice vacation we have it.

while I understand the 'no see, no spend' attitude, there are better options....

#discipline

viewed longer term, it's a gimme...
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(02-08-2019 10:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Some with unique employee circumstances might take a hit. I know a salesman that does not have a company car and is not compensated for his mileage. He always itemizes and takes a large auto deduction for those miles. It’s about a 18-20k deduction that he will lose. Add that to his mortgage interest and his other smaller itemized deductians—-and he may actually be the type of person that the new standard deduction won’t offset his lost itemized deductions. By and large—the vast majority of Americans will come out way ahead under the new tax bills. Those that don’t will be those using lots of itemized deductions or those with tons of mortgage interest (those with multiple homes will get hurt). However—most folks with multiple homes make a crap load of money—so the lower marginal rates will probably offset most (or all) of the effect of these lost deductions.

This sounds a little off. Most of my truck drivers that averaged 125k miles per year and could also deduct per diems and hotels rarely had a deduction much over 25k. Even deducting 100% of his auto payment, maintenance, and mileage it seems like it would be difficult to get to an 18-20k deduction.

See my above post and link to the Forbes story. Sounds like a traveling 1099 salesman that takes the mileage deduction, which is still very much valid.

I believe Attackcoog is mistaken.
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(02-08-2019 10:50 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:43 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All of this so the rich can get richer and the poor poorer. We will remember..........................

You posted a bunch of fake stories from bot accounts, equivalent to when leftists all had woke 4 year olds teaching us about Trump's America. Little did they know that jumping on the bandwagon with their own fake story was easily exposed by the twitter keyword search feature.

Seek help.

please show evidence of any bot accounts. That is a lie. Show it or retract.
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(02-08-2019 10:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:50 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:43 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All of this so the rich can get richer and the poor poorer. We will remember..........................

You posted a bunch of fake stories from bot accounts, equivalent to when leftists all had woke 4 year olds teaching us about Trump's America. Little did they know that jumping on the bandwagon with their own fake story was easily exposed by the twitter keyword search feature.

Seek help.

please show evidence of any bot accounts. That is a lie. Show it or retract.

None of these faceless accounts are real people. Three of them literally even have the first name/last name + string of random numbers bot format.

Learn how not to be so easily duped by everything on the internet, boomer.

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(02-08-2019 10:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Some with unique employee circumstances might take a hit. I know a salesman that does not have a company car and is not compensated for his mileage. He always itemizes and takes a large auto deduction for those miles. It’s about a 18-20k deduction that he will lose. Add that to his mortgage interest and his other smaller itemized deductians—-and he may actually be the type of person that the new standard deduction won’t offset his lost itemized deductions. By and large—the vast majority of Americans will come out way ahead under the new tax bills. Those that don’t will be those using lots of itemized deductions or those with tons of mortgage interest (those with multiple homes will get hurt). However—most folks with multiple homes make a crap load of money—so the lower marginal rates will probably offset most (or all) of the effect of these lost deductions.

This sounds a little off. Most of my truck drivers that averaged 125k miles per year and could also deduct per diems and hotels rarely had a deduction much over 25k. Even deducting 100% of his auto payment, maintenance, and mileage it seems like it would be difficult to get to an 18-20k deduction.

See my above post and link to the Forbes story. Sounds like a traveling 1099 salesman that takes the mileage deduction, which is still very much valid.

I believe Attackcoog is mistaken.

I'm 1099 all day long.....I have no worries and am licking my lamb chops....
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Mach.

Dude, wtf. The guy that posted that picture himself knows they're fake. He's laughing about it in the comments, about how he baited some real people with it and retweeted them.



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Point taken, as there’s always people upset about political decisions that impact them negatively.

But these accts appear to all be fake.

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Did you notice all the actual real people who replied to my tweet though? I retweeted some of them.

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Yeah, just continually disappointed in how many fake and trolling accts here - both sides. But you know that. :)

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I’m just waiting for those fake accts to start protesting how real they are. Lol ?

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Omg I have one lady already doing that to me haha. Says she lost her account. Smh

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These look like bot tweets. Russians trying to stir up civil discord? ??‍♀️ They are all too similar.
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Mods, please close this trash thread.

It's literal propaganda.
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