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We did reasonably well in the first half. Shots were falling and our defense was decent. A huge factor was Caver getting two quick fouls and sitting out much of the first half. Caver and Stith are good for 30 + per game and they only had ten combined in the first.

Second half ODU went to the 1-2-2 and we had no idea how to solve it. Gueye was in his first game after breaking his nose, came out in a mask but could not play with it and took it off. He was very tentative inside as a result. Lewis was trying but every time he want inside they sagged on him hard. The ball movement was reminiscent of Mike Davis' run the clock down to seven and then try to get a shot up. No one was moving off the ball. Our offense was stagnant and ODU really dialed up their defensive intensity.

Caver and Stith got back to normal (or better than usual, really) and wound up with 32 points each. First half ten points, second half fifty-four between them. Ball game.

Lovan got in but was not effective. Probably too soon for him to be trying to play, and he obviously isn't used to playing with the hard cast yet.

As to putting more guys in, the starting five had 35+ minutes except for Bell with 31. Scott-Grayson got 16 min and scored six points. Pearson, Lovan, and McCoy did not score. I can't think of anyone on the bench that was going to make a difference tonight.

For the first time, I felt we were totally out-coached. The team acted like they had never seen a 3-2 zone defense before. We just passed the ball around the perimeter like a hot potato until the shot clock wound down and the guy with the ball had to shoot. I never heard any specific coaching from the sideline on how they players were to attack the defense and it showed.

For the rest of the season we will be playing Syracuse every game unless the opposing coach outwits himself.

Zone, Zone and more Zone.

Not trying to pile on the guys but I'll just echo what several people saw. We looked lost in the second half. Weren't sure how to attack their D, so we just swung the ball around the perimeter. Ball movement wasn't crisp so we had to force a lot of contested shots.

I had my hopes up in the first half but maybe ODU was just cold.

We were out coached, but we also don’t have the players right now to compete with ODU. Their guys in the post were just too big. Their two all-conference players, Stith and Caver, just toyed with us. Injuries have really hurt our season.

we have pretty good players...the problem is they're all the same size.

(02-07-2019 06:54 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 05:45 PM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  Lovan is testing a padded glove like thing for his hand to see if it makes it any more comfortable and is a game time decision tonight.

Was his shooting hand injured?

Sorry I missed this last night....it is his none shooting hand

(02-07-2019 10:35 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  At this point what would it hurt to play the 10 healthy guys good mins

That's what I have been saying to our group that goes to the games. At this point why not give some of the bench guys 30 seconds, a minute, 5 minutes! Hell I don't care just try anything cause it cant be no worse then what we currently are doing. ODU is a 2 headed monster. Stith and Caver shoot close to 70% of the teams shots. You stop them and you can beat ODU. We simply could not stop them and I don't know if that's cause they are that much better or the coach didn't put our guys in a position to stop them with his defensive calls.

(02-08-2019 09:42 AM)CourtsideBlazer Wrote:  we have pretty good players...the problem is they're all the same size.

We do, and they play hard. I see a lot of pretty athletic guys but all fairly limited offensively. We are not a good shooting team and while we are playing better defensively this season, we don't create many easy buckets from our D.

The perimeter dominates the game now. We've just had too many nights like last night, sub .300 3-pt shooting. Very hard to beat better teams shooting like that.

We talked about our lack of size during the preseason and some said it wouldn't be a problem, but it is. The troubling part about the team is we have no depth. We currently play 7 guys(not count Lovan) and the only one of with size only gets about 5 minutes/game. So a 6 man rotation. At the end of games we are exhausted. Teams run us around, having us chase for 30 minutes knowing this. We have got to steal some minutes from somewhere even if we/bench players are exposed defensively. And we have got to recruit taller guards.

(02-08-2019 10:55 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  We talked about our lack of size during the preseason and some said it wouldn't be a problem, but it is. The troubling part about the team is we have no depth. We currently play 7 guys(not count Lovan) and the only one of with size only gets about 5 minutes/game. So a 6 man rotation. At the end of games we are exhausted. Teams run us around, having us chase for 30 minutes knowing this. We have got to steal some minutes from somewhere even if we/bench players are exposed defensively. And we have got to recruit taller guards.

+1

Davis didn't have these problems

(02-08-2019 11:05 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:55 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  We talked about our lack of size during the preseason and some said it wouldn't be a problem, but it is. The troubling part about the team is we have no depth. We currently play 7 guys(not count Lovan) and the only one of with size only gets about 5 minutes/game. So a 6 man rotation. At the end of games we are exhausted. Teams run us around, having us chase for 30 minutes knowing this. We have got to steal some minutes from somewhere even if we/bench players are exposed defensively. And we have got to recruit taller guards.

+1

Davis didn't have these problems

Davis was lucky he was fired when he was. He was about to plummet worse than ehsan.

Davis struggled to have enough eligible players to get on the court but I digress.

(02-08-2019 10:17 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:35 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  At this point what would it hurt to play the 10 healthy guys good mins

That's what I have been saying to our group that goes to the games. At this point why not give some of the bench guys 30 seconds, a minute, 5 minutes! Hell I don't care just try anything cause it cant be no worse then what we currently are doing. ODU is a 2 headed monster. Stith and Caver shoot close to 70% of the teams shots. You stop them and you can beat ODU. We simply could not stop them and I don't know if that's cause they are that much better or the coach didn't put our guys in a position to stop them with his defensive calls.

If both ODU bigs are healthy they probably still win if we stop Stith and Caver. We can't stop their post or perimeter play.

By now Hurtado should be a G/F playing the four, as a point forward.
We can't shoot as a team, got a shooter wasting on the bench.
Got a guy who's been a D1 guard for five years now and doesn't play.
We seem to find mins for a walk on tho go figure.

Why we start three 6'1 guards is beyond me.
Can't say I saw any player get better even Scootie and he's my guy.

(02-08-2019 11:07 AM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:05 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:55 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  We talked about our lack of size during the preseason and some said it wouldn't be a problem, but it is. The troubling part about the team is we have no depth. We currently play 7 guys(not count Lovan) and the only one of with size only gets about 5 minutes/game. So a 6 man rotation. At the end of games we are exhausted. Teams run us around, having us chase for 30 minutes knowing this. We have got to steal some minutes from somewhere even if we/bench players are exposed defensively. And we have got to recruit taller guards.

+1

Davis didn't have these problems

Davis was lucky he was fired when he was. He was about to plummet worse than ehsan.

(02-08-2019 11:12 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Davis struggled to have enough eligible players to get on the court but I digress.

There was no sign of Davis plummeting worse than Eshan or Haase. Lol. Look at their first three season.

Davis struggles started from apr, something he had no control of and got some Anderson guys to comeback and graduate. What was the Apr scores under Davis again?

(02-08-2019 11:22 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:07 AM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:05 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:55 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  We talked about our lack of size during the preseason and some said it wouldn't be a problem, but it is. The troubling part about the team is we have no depth. We currently play 7 guys(not count Lovan) and the only one of with size only gets about 5 minutes/game. So a 6 man rotation. At the end of games we are exhausted. Teams run us around, having us chase for 30 minutes knowing this. We have got to steal some minutes from somewhere even if we/bench players are exposed defensively. And we have got to recruit taller guards.

+1

Davis didn't have these problems

Davis was lucky he was fired when he was. He was about to plummet worse than ehsan.

(02-08-2019 11:12 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Davis struggled to have enough eligible players to get on the court but I digress.

There was no sign of Davis plummeting worse than Eshan or Haase. Lol. Look at their first three season.

Davis struggles started from apr, something he had no control of and got some Anderson guys to comeback and graduate. What was the Apr scores under Davis again?

He had a pg about to sign with no d1 offers and had ASW in scholarship lol

Let's keep this about ODU and UAB. Feel free to start a davis worship thread Dee.

I'm as frustrated with the loss as anyone. Not having Butler inside is costing us dearly. It is what it is. Murry didn't get a pass with all the injuries he had late and neither is HCRE. I do like how hard we play and we do play a lot better defense. ODU is a veteran team and give them credit for making some excellent plays to get guys some open looks both outside the arc and in the paint.

(02-08-2019 11:44 AM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:22 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:07 AM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:05 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:55 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  We talked about our lack of size during the preseason and some said it wouldn't be a problem, but it is. The troubling part about the team is we have no depth. We currently play 7 guys(not count Lovan) and the only one of with size only gets about 5 minutes/game. So a 6 man rotation. At the end of games we are exhausted. Teams run us around, having us chase for 30 minutes knowing this. We have got to steal some minutes from somewhere even if we/bench players are exposed defensively. And we have got to recruit taller guards.

+1

Davis didn't have these problems

Davis was lucky he was fired when he was. He was about to plummet worse than ehsan.

(02-08-2019 11:12 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Davis struggled to have enough eligible players to get on the court but I digress.

There was no sign of Davis plummeting worse than Eshan or Haase. Lol. Look at their first three season.

Davis struggles started from apr, something he had no control of and got some Anderson guys to comeback and graduate. What was the Apr scores under Davis again?

He had a pg about to sign with no d1 offers and had ASW in scholarship lol

Don't know who you're talking about. ASW = Smallwood =Big Jude

I guess TSG,Bertain, Rideau, Collins, and maybe Spencer is different

(02-08-2019 11:51 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Let's keep this about ODU and UAB. Feel free to start a davis worship thread Dee.

I'm as frustrated with the loss as anyone. Not having Butler inside is costing us dearly. It is what it is. Murry didn't get a pass with all the injuries he had late and neither is HCRE. I do like how hard we play and we do play a lot better defense. ODU is a veteran team and give them credit for making some excellent plays to get guys some open looks both outside the arc and in the paint.

Feel free to start a Davis hate thread, I agreed with what said about the game from another posters point if view. Lol

Then you bring up Murry, LMAO

Again feel free to start another thread. And for what it’s worth I don’t hate the man I actually like him but I don’t let that fact blind me from what went on