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(03-05-2019 02:35 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-05-2019 12:48 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Moreover, the UNC system has never put a big priority on out of staters. It's a necessary evil to them, because they know northern kids willing to put up the money to come to NC schools come with high SAT scores and will likely do very well, driving up graduation rates and potential donor money. But the schools don't like the idea of those same kids taking their degrees and leaving the state.

I won't be surprised to see the 18% increase in the next decade. NC legislators are always looking for ways to cut the budget, and allowing increases(especially for schools with high out of state demand), could certainly help in that aspect. Not to mention, a lot of out of state students decide to stay and maybe drag their parents down to boot. Who doesn't want to leave the frigid, high tax north for the beaches of Wrightsville Beach?

If you read the article I posted, University of South Carolina is at 50% out of state.

I would love to know the actual numbers of out of state students that stay and how many of those are active donors, along with the number of THOSE students that their parents migrate south to the area to be near them, and then the number of those that contribute $$$ to the school post graduation.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a very small number with very small donor totals.
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(03-06-2019 08:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(03-05-2019 02:35 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-05-2019 12:48 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Moreover, the UNC system has never put a big priority on out of staters. It's a necessary evil to them, because they know northern kids willing to put up the money to come to NC schools come with high SAT scores and will likely do very well, driving up graduation rates and potential donor money. But the schools don't like the idea of those same kids taking their degrees and leaving the state.

I won't be surprised to see the 18% increase in the next decade. NC legislators are always looking for ways to cut the budget, and allowing increases(especially for schools with high out of state demand), could certainly help in that aspect. Not to mention, a lot of out of state students decide to stay and maybe drag their parents down to boot. Who doesn't want to leave the frigid, high tax north for the beaches of Wrightsville Beach?

If you read the article I posted, University of South Carolina is at 50% out of state.

I would love to know the actual numbers of out of state students that stay and how many of those are active donors, along with the number of THOSE students that their parents migrate south to the area to be near them, and then the number of those that contribute $$$ to the school post graduation.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a very small number with very small donor totals.

I'm gonnna' go out on a limb and say that very few UNCW alumni are active donors period.
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(03-05-2019 02:35 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-05-2019 12:48 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Moreover, the UNC system has never put a big priority on out of staters. It's a necessary evil to them, because they know northern kids willing to put up the money to come to NC schools come with high SAT scores and will likely do very well, driving up graduation rates and potential donor money. But the schools don't like the idea of those same kids taking their degrees and leaving the state.

I won't be surprised to see the 18% increase in the next decade. NC legislators are always looking for ways to cut the budget, and allowing increases(especially for schools with high out of state demand), could certainly help in that aspect. Not to mention, a lot of out of state students decide to stay and maybe drag their parents down to boot. Who doesn't want to leave the frigid, high tax north for the beaches of Wrightsville Beach?

If you read the article I posted, University of South Carolina is at 50% out of state.

I would love to know the actual numbers of out of state students that stay and how many of those are active donors, along with the number of THOSE students that their parents migrate south to the area to be near them, and then the number of those that contribute $$$ to the school post graduation.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a very small number with very small donor totals.

I'm gonnna' go out on a limb and say that very few UNCW alumni are active donors period.

Completely agree which makes my question even more relevant on this topic. There's no justifiable reason really to argue that our teams traveling so far North impacts out of state student population growth enough to sustain said travel... even with whatever miniscule numbers there are in this scenario. Like '08 said... we were doing just fine attracting students from up north prior to Hofstra and Northeastern being added as members in the early/mid 2000s. Spending all of that money for all of our teams to travel that far is a money pit.
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You guys are spot on on the donors i think. My wife has a pretty big group of people she is still close with from UNCW, and none of them follow anything going on there. Hell, i read my wife's alumni magazine when it comes she doesn't touch it
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(03-07-2019 08:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  You guys are spot on on the donors i think. My wife has a pretty big group of people she is still close with from UNCW, and none of them follow anything going on there. Hell, i read my wife's alumni magazine when it comes she doesn't touch it

The UNC system screwed UNCW for years, not allowing us to add Masters and Doctors programs. That is where more money comes back to the schools. ECU bucked their control by obtaining help from members of the state legislature.
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(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.

Better 1 outlier than 3.

Also we wouldn't have to travel to Samford every year in a 12 team socon like we do now to Boston, NYC, and Philly.

I dont know of we could get the SoCon to invite us but I believe it is a discussion the administration should attempt to have
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(03-07-2019 12:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.

Better 1 outlier than 3.

Also we wouldn't have to travel to Samford every year in a 12 team socon like we do now to Boston, NYC, and Philly.

I dont know of we could get the SoCon to invite us but I believe it is a discussion the administration should attempt to have

I'll say it again, the SoCon will not go to a 9/12 configuration again, the current members were not happy when there were 3 non-football schools in the conference with Charleston, Davidson & UNCG.

The private schools + the Citadel run the conference, and they want a football dominated conference. If UNCG were to depart, I'm not even sure if they would be replaced, as a basketball only school.

A 9 football team conference gives each school 8 conference games, and one additional basketball school helps in basketball scheduling for an 18 game conference schedule. Were it not for that, I'm sure there would have been a big push to kick G out.

I'd say there is more of a chance of attracting UNCG out of the conference, rather than adding additional basketball schools. Personally, I'd love to see more NC schools in the SoCon, as it went from 4 to the current 2. I think UNCA would make a decent basketball school for the SoCon as well as UNCW.

How a $1 million investment helped fuel rise of SoCon basketball
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(03-07-2019 01:39 PM)The Cats Wrote:  
(03-07-2019 12:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.

Better 1 outlier than 3.

Also we wouldn't have to travel to Samford every year in a 12 team socon like we do now to Boston, NYC, and Philly.

I dont know of we could get the SoCon to invite us but I believe it is a discussion the administration should attempt to have

I'll say it again, the SoCon will not go to a 9/12 configuration again, the current members were not happy when there were 3 non-football schools in the conference with Charleston, Davidson & UNCG.

The private schools + the Citadel run the conference, and they want a football dominated conference. If UNCW were to depart, I'm not even sure if they would be replaced, as a basketball only school.

A 9 football team conference gives each school 8 conference games, and one additional basketball school helps in basketball scheduling for an 18 game conference schedule. Were it not for that, I'm sure there would have been a big push to kick G out.

I'd say there is more of a chance of attracting UNCG out of the conference, rather than adding additional basketball schools. Personally, I'd love to see more NC schools in the SoCon, as it went from 4 to the current 2. I think UNCA would make a decent basketball school for the SoCon as well as UNCW.

How a $1 million investment helped fuel rise of SoCon basketball

An amazingly contrast with state of CAA at this juncture.
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The improvement on the court hasn't put many more fans in the seats. UNCG averages 2979 per game in the Greensboro Coliseum. Wofford averages 2368 in a new arena.

UNCG sells beer at reasonable prices at its games.

Attendance should be better next year at both schools.

Many of the changes Commissioner Iamarino implemented were suggested by Davidson and CofC for several years. The loss of 5 members and the windfall from their exit fees created the impetus to implement these changes. Giving the NCAA Tournament representative an extra share of the NCAA proceeds creates an incentive to win.

5 schools left the SoCon in the mid-'10s. Of the 4 other than Davidson, Appalachian had made the most recent NCAA Tournament appearance and that was in 2000. 2 of the schools brought in to replace the 5, VMI and ETSU, were former members of the SoCon.
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(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.
Do you mean Drexel and Delaware are the same distance?

If no FBS conference will take you and the SoCon won't take you, you don't have good options. I don't think you would want to go to the Big South or Atlantic Sun.
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(03-08-2019 01:55 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.
Do you mean Drexel and Delaware are the same distance?

If no FBS conference will take you and the SoCon won't take you, you don't have good options. I don't think you would want to go to the Big South or Atlantic Sun.

I honestly wouldn't hate the Big South. We should/could dominate that conference and host the conference tournament in Trask on years we win the regular season title. We could even fully fund our baseball program!
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(03-08-2019 01:55 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.
Do you mean Drexel and Delaware are the same distance?

If no FBS conference will take you and the SoCon won't take you, you don't have good options. I don't think you would want to go to the Big South or Atlantic Sun.

Delaware is about 50 miles closer than Drexel. Northeastern is the big outlier for UNCW in terms of travel distance.

The Big South would be the least amount of travel, with all the schools in NC, SC, and southern VA, but that conference is just not very good. The Atlantic Sun would make no sense since they have a couple of Florida schools, include FGCU way down in Ft. Myers. Ideally the CAA adds another northern and southern school and go to divisions.
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(03-08-2019 02:32 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 01:55 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.
Do you mean Drexel and Delaware are the same distance?

If no FBS conference will take you and the SoCon won't take you, you don't have good options. I don't think you would want to go to the Big South or Atlantic Sun.

I honestly wouldn't hate the Big South. We should/could dominate that conference and host the conference tournament in Trask on years we win the regular season title. We could even fully fund our baseball program!

We would then be looking at a 16 (possibly the dreaded "First 4 in") or 15 seed at best if we win the conference. The bottom of the Big South is REALLY bad.
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(03-08-2019 07:26 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 01:55 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.
Do you mean Drexel and Delaware are the same distance?

If no FBS conference will take you and the SoCon won't take you, you don't have good options. I don't think you would want to go to the Big South or Atlantic Sun.

Delaware is about 50 miles closer than Drexel. Northeastern is the big outlier for UNCW in terms of travel distance.

The Big South would be the least amount of travel, with all the schools in NC, SC, and southern VA, but that conference is just not very good. The Atlantic Sun would make no sense since they have a couple of Florida schools, include FGCU way down in Ft. Myers. Ideally the CAA adds another northern and southern school and go to divisions.

It's really that simple.

I dont understand why it hasn't happened yet
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(03-08-2019 01:48 PM)geezerhawkdad Wrote:  The improvement on the court hasn't put many more fans in the seats. UNCG averages 2979 per game in the Greensboro Coliseum. Wofford averages 2368 in a new arena.

UNCG sells beer at reasonable prices at its games.

Attendance should be better next year at both schools.

Many of the changes Commissioner Iamarino implemented were suggested by Davidson and CofC for several years. The loss of 5 members and the windfall from their exit fees created the impetus to implement these changes. Giving the NCAA Tournament representative an extra share of the NCAA proceeds creates an incentive to win.

5 schools left the SoCon in the mid-'10s. Of the 4 other than Davidson, Appalachian had made the most recent NCAA Tournament appearance and that was in 2000. 2 of of schools brought in to replace the 5, VMI and ETSU, were former members of the SoCon.

Keep in mind, the city of Greensboro has been spoiled by ACC basketball, UNCG could never fill that place unless WF, Duke, & UNC moved out of NC. Also, remember that Wofford's new arena seats only 3,300 for basketball - Wofford has a student body of only 1,692 students, so averaging 2,300+ is not bad. I think that ETSU averaged over 5k this season, they play in the Freedom Center in Johnson City.
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(03-08-2019 07:28 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 02:32 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 01:55 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(03-06-2019 07:21 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  In regards to traveling distance, the SoCon has Samford, which is a huge outlier within the conference. Samford is 566 miles from Wilmington. Hofstra is 614 miles from Wilmington, Northeastern is 800 miles and Drexel is 501 miles in comparison. Drexel and Hofstra are essentially the same distance.
Do you mean Drexel and Delaware are the same distance?

If no FBS conference will take you and the SoCon won't take you, you don't have good options. I don't think you would want to go to the Big South or Atlantic Sun.

I honestly wouldn't hate the Big South. We should/could dominate that conference and host the conference tournament in Trask on years we win the regular season title. We could even fully fund our baseball program!

We would then be looking at a 16 (possibly the dreaded "First 4 in") or 15 seed at best if we win the conference. The bottom of the Big South is REALLY bad.

Is the CAA really that much better in terms of the seed we could get?

If you load up on non-conference, like we’ve proven able to do with C.B., and get a signature win or 2, you can counter that negative impact. Either way that ought to be the least of our concerns, especially after a last place CAA finish....
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He did load up with a young team that's for sure. Still, it's good to play good teams to know where you need to go for your program.

The Hawks finished last this year, but can play with any team with youth. There's a reason why most of the top CAA guys were ALL CAA and that was because they were upper class guys. Age and maturity makes a difference. Let's see what the deal is a year from now.
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For those who watched the Hofstra v. NC State game last night... How would you feel about a CAA Tournament in Reynolds Coliseum? I haven't been there since the renovations, but it looked great on TV last night. Seats about 5,000, great history, a more centralized location than Charleston. D'antonio was in attendance last night as well.
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(Today 08:56 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  For those who watched the Hofstra v. NC State game last night... How would you feel about a CAA Tournament in Reynolds Coliseum? I haven't been there since the renovations, but it looked great on TV last night. Seats about 5,000, great history, a more centralized location than Charleston. D'antonio was in attendance last night as well.

We actually talked about this in the past. I think the consensus here in general was Raleigh would be good.
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The only question is whether or not the conference would want to play on the campus of a nonmember school.


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