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(02-21-2019 02:38 PM)82hawk Wrote:  No way Coastal comes to the CAA. They have become a very good football program and baseball program in a tight conference.

It's very likely that none of this happens. Except for maybe UNCG down the road. I thought this was more of a wish list. So, in a perfect world, I would choose Coastal any day over Campbell. If they have addressed their academic issues, they would immediately strength our standing as a conference. Don't believe Campbell can do that.
How so? Campbell hoops has been better than Coastal, and yes coastal baseball had their run, but Campbell baseball is solid year in, year out just like Coastal.

Coastal still has a better history in baseball and basketball. And how will Campbell basketball be without their one man show?

Campbell basketball has three winning seasons over the last 15 years. None more than two games over .500. All in a lesser conference.

Coastal baseball swept 3 games from Campbell last year, including a 23-4 score. Just because Campbell plays us tough in basketball doesn't make them good.
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I would take Winthrop over Campbell. They are good in basketball and baseball.they also do not have football

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(02-21-2019 02:49 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  It's very likely that none of this happens. Except for maybe UNCG down the road. I thought this was more of a wish list. So, in a perfect world, I would choose Coastal any day over Campbell. If they have addressed their academic issues, they would immediately strength our standing as a conference. Don't believe Campbell can do that.
How so? Campbell hoops has been better than Coastal, and yes coastal baseball had their run, but Campbell baseball is solid year in, year out just like Coastal.

Coastal still has a better history in baseball and basketball. And how will Campbell basketball be without their one man show?

Campbell basketball has three winning seasons over the last 15 years. None more than two games over .500. All in a lesser conference.

Coastal baseball swept 3 games from Campbell last year, including a 23-4 score. Just because Campbell plays us tough in basketball doesn't make them good.
If you read up, i said maybe you are right in terms of hoops. And one baseball series doesn't define a team. Campbell baseball beat the #9 team in the country last night. They are solid year in, year out in baseball as is Coastal.
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(02-21-2019 03:17 PM)tke75hawk Wrote:  I would take Winthrop over Campbell. They are good in basketball and baseball.they also do not have football

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Wintrop Athletics is solid top to bottom if you look up their history it's littered with conf titles in all sports
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Winthrop is good as well as Campbell. Both would be good for the conference along with UNCG
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(02-21-2019 02:52 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  How so? Campbell hoops has been better than Coastal, and yes coastal baseball had their run, but Campbell baseball is solid year in, year out just like Coastal.

Coastal still has a better history in baseball and basketball. And how will Campbell basketball be without their one man show?

Campbell basketball has three winning seasons over the last 15 years. None more than two games over .500. All in a lesser conference.

Coastal baseball swept 3 games from Campbell last year, including a 23-4 score. Just because Campbell plays us tough in basketball doesn't make them good.
If you read up, i said maybe you are right in terms of hoops. And one baseball series doesn't define a team. Campbell baseball beat the #9 team in the country last night. They are solid year in, year out in baseball as is Coastal.

So, in the last 20 years Coastal has won 11 conference tournaments to Campbell's 2. I still don't buy that Campbell would help make the CAA stronger.
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(02-21-2019 03:45 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
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(02-21-2019 02:56 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Coastal still has a better history in baseball and basketball. And how will Campbell basketball be without their one man show?

Campbell basketball has three winning seasons over the last 15 years. None more than two games over .500. All in a lesser conference.

Coastal baseball swept 3 games from Campbell last year, including a 23-4 score. Just because Campbell plays us tough in basketball doesn't make them good.
If you read up, i said maybe you are right in terms of hoops. And one baseball series doesn't define a team. Campbell baseball beat the #9 team in the country last night. They are solid year in, year out in baseball as is Coastal.

So, in the last 20 years Coastal has won 11 conference tournaments to Campbell's 2. I still don't buy that Campbell would help make the CAA stronger.

Surely you don't think a one game upset of EZU defines a team more than a head to head series.
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(02-21-2019 03:48 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 03:45 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
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(02-21-2019 03:15 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 03:06 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Campbell basketball has three winning seasons over the last 15 years. None more than two games over .500. All in a lesser conference.

Coastal baseball swept 3 games from Campbell last year, including a 23-4 score. Just because Campbell plays us tough in basketball doesn't make them good.
If you read up, i said maybe you are right in terms of hoops. And one baseball series doesn't define a team. Campbell baseball beat the #9 team in the country last night. They are solid year in, year out in baseball as is Coastal.

So, in the last 20 years Coastal has won 11 conference tournaments to Campbell's 2. I still don't buy that Campbell would help make the CAA stronger.

Surely you don't think a one game upset of EZU defines a team more than a head to head series.
Not at all, I just think you are selling their program short. They are a very solid program.

As TKE pointed out, Winthrop is probably a better option than both!
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(02-21-2019 04:01 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 03:48 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 03:45 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 03:19 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 03:15 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Coastal baseball swept 3 games from Campbell last year, including a 23-4 score. Just because Campbell plays us tough in basketball doesn't make them good.
If you read up, i said maybe you are right in terms of hoops. And one baseball series doesn't define a team. Campbell baseball beat the #9 team in the country last night. They are solid year in, year out in baseball as is Coastal.

So, in the last 20 years Coastal has won 11 conference tournaments to Campbell's 2. I still don't buy that Campbell would help make the CAA stronger.

Surely you don't think a one game upset of EZU defines a team more than a head to head series.
Not at all, I just think you are selling their program short. They are a very solid program.

As TKE pointed out, Winthrop is probably a better option than both!

I understand all that. But Coastal has owned consistently owned both Winthrop and Campbell. And they have a solid tradition of being ranked in baseball. I want a school who will come in and strengthen the CAA. Coastal has more consistensy in being a winning program. UNCG is a better grab for sure. But I just don't see it with Campbell or Winthrop. Plus, with UNCG you have strong programs in soccer and softball. Maybe tennis, but not sure.
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(02-21-2019 04:17 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
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(02-21-2019 03:19 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  If you read up, i said maybe you are right in terms of hoops. And one baseball series doesn't define a team. Campbell baseball beat the #9 team in the country last night. They are solid year in, year out in baseball as is Coastal.

So, in the last 20 years Coastal has won 11 conference tournaments to Campbell's 2. I still don't buy that Campbell would help make the CAA stronger.

Surely you don't think a one game upset of EZU defines a team more than a head to head series.
Not at all, I just think you are selling their program short. They are a very solid program.

As TKE pointed out, Winthrop is probably a better option than both!

I understand all that. But Coastal has owned consistently owned both Winthrop and Campbell. And they have a solid tradition of being ranked in baseball. I want a school who will come in and strengthen the CAA. Coastal has more consistensy in being a winning program. UNCG is a better grab for sure. But I just don't see it with Campbell or Winthrop. Plus, with UNCG you have strong programs in soccer and softball. Maybe tennis, but not sure.
Look up Winthrop Athletics, You won't find an Athletic department in this discussion with more titles. I was shocked.
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(02-21-2019 03:45 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, in the last 20 years Coastal has won 11 conference tournaments to Campbell's 2. I still don't buy that Campbell would help make the CAA stronger.

Surely you don't think a one game upset of EZU defines a team more than a head to head series.
Not at all, I just think you are selling their program short. They are a very solid program.

As TKE pointed out, Winthrop is probably a better option than both!

I understand all that. But Coastal has owned consistently owned both Winthrop and Campbell. And they have a solid tradition of being ranked in baseball. I want a school who will come in and strengthen the CAA. Coastal has more consistensy in being a winning program. UNCG is a better grab for sure. But I just don't see it with Campbell or Winthrop. Plus, with UNCG you have strong programs in soccer and softball. Maybe tennis, but not sure.
Look up Winthrop Athletics, You won't find an Athletic department in this discussion with more titles. I was shocked.

Have they ever been ranked in anything? I really don't know. But UNCG has been ranked #1 in soccer. And they play basketball in the Greensboro Coliseum. Would love to have our CAA tournament there.
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Interesting discussion guys. What is being proposed is almost like the old Atlantic Coast Conference in terms of geography. That was based originally around the big 4 in NC and then fanning into Virginia, Maryland and SC. Eventually Georgia Tech and Florida State came on board.

The real issue for the CAA is that there are only a few institutions that play both football and basketball. The football league historically has been either the best FCS league, or the 2nd best for the last 20+ years. The basketball league was a very good league when it had you guys, VCU, ODU, George Mason, Richmond and even ECU and Navy. While the league is still competitive, the travel is now more extensive and there is less in common than in the past. I'd feel much better if we had better leadership in the league, but I don't see much indicating that the CAA is going to change much( or add teams) unless someone leaves. JMU fans on this board think they are going to leave(or they wish they already had). There were a few rumblings that Delaware might look to go as well. Personally, I'd love to see more Virginia based institutions in the league with at least 1-2 more NC schools as well. But, I'll admit, Tribe fans have enjoyed the rivalry with Hofstra in basketball. Nearly every game comes down to one play in the last minute to decide the outcome. The fit with all the non-revenue sports and basketball is better than the fit with football. Richmond, Villanova, Stony Brook, Albany, Maine, Rhode Island and New Hampshire are only members for football. So, in a 12 team league, we have more affliate members than not.(JMU, Delaware, Towson, W&M, and Elon).

I see nothing from the Commissioner office that would indicate any of that will change or improve. No TV contract for either sport and a game of the week, no one can watch without significant issues. So, a very limited footprint for either basketball or football.
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(02-21-2019 04:43 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Interesting discussion guys. What is being proposed is almost like the old Atlantic Coast Conference in terms of geography. That was based originally around the big 4 in NC and then fanning into Virginia, Maryland and SC. Eventually Georgia Tech and Florida State came on board.

The real issue for the CAA is that there are only a few institutions that play both football and basketball. The football league historically has been either the best FCS league, or the 2nd best for the last 20+ years. The basketball league was a very good league when it had you guys, VCU, ODU, George Mason, Richmond and even ECU and Navy. While the league is still competitive, the travel is now more extensive and there is less in common than in the past. I'd feel much better if we had better leadership in the league, but I don't see much indicating that the CAA is going to change much( or add teams) unless someone leaves. JMU fans on this board think they are going to leave(or they wish they already had). There were a few rumblings that Delaware might look to go as well. Personally, I'd love to see more Virginia based institutions in the league with at least 1-2 more NC schools as well. But, I'll admit, Tribe fans have enjoyed the rivalry with Hofstra in basketball. Nearly every game comes down to one play in the last minute to decide the outcome. The fit with all the non-revenue sports and basketball is better than the fit with football. Richmond, Villanova, Stony Brook, Albany, Maine, Rhode Island and New Hampshire are only members for football. So, in a 12 team league, we have more affliate members than not.(JMU, Delaware, Towson, W&M, and Elon).

I see nothing from the Commissioner office that would indicate any of that will change or improve. No TV contract for either sport and a game of the week, no one can watch without significant issues. So, a very limited footprint for either basketball or football.

What Virginia schools would W&M like to see added?
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(02-21-2019 03:48 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Surely you don't think a one game upset of EZU defines a team more than a head to head series.
Not at all, I just think you are selling their program short. They are a very solid program.

As TKE pointed out, Winthrop is probably a better option than both!

I understand all that. But Coastal has owned consistently owned both Winthrop and Campbell. And they have a solid tradition of being ranked in baseball. I want a school who will come in and strengthen the CAA. Coastal has more consistensy in being a winning program. UNCG is a better grab for sure. But I just don't see it with Campbell or Winthrop. Plus, with UNCG you have strong programs in soccer and softball. Maybe tennis, but not sure.
Look up Winthrop Athletics, You won't find an Athletic department in this discussion with more titles. I was shocked.

Have they ever been ranked in anything? I really don't know. But UNCG has been ranked #1 in soccer. And they play basketball in the Greensboro Coliseum. Would love to have our CAA tournament there.


Honestly have no idea, I was just surprised it many conf titles they had in all sports


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(02-21-2019 04:01 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Not at all, I just think you are selling their program short. They are a very solid program.

As TKE pointed out, Winthrop is probably a better option than both!

I understand all that. But Coastal has owned consistently owned both Winthrop and Campbell. And they have a solid tradition of being ranked in baseball. I want a school who will come in and strengthen the CAA. Coastal has more consistensy in being a winning program. UNCG is a better grab for sure. But I just don't see it with Campbell or Winthrop. Plus, with UNCG you have strong programs in soccer and softball. Maybe tennis, but not sure.
Look up Winthrop Athletics, You won't find an Athletic department in this discussion with more titles. I was shocked.

Have they ever been ranked in anything? I really don't know. But UNCG has been ranked #1 in soccer. And they play basketball in the Greensboro Coliseum. Would love to have our CAA tournament there.


Honestly have no idea, I was just surprised it many conf titles they had in all sports


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It's a nice number, but not all sports. But most schools haven't won titles in all sports.
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Give me Winthrop over UNCG or Campbell (really?).
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(02-21-2019 09:10 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  Give me Winthrop over UNCG or Campbell (really?).


Take a look you’ll be surprised what you see. I looked after TKE brought it up


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https://twitter.com/BGMull/status/110189...36961?s=19

Just to add something to this discussion.

Mull states that UNCW could fully fund baseball and both soccer programs along with providing additional funding to mens and women's basketball by joining SoCon or even Big South.
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(03-02-2019 01:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BGMull/status/110189...36961?s=19

Just to add something to this discussion.

Mull states that UNCW could fully fund baseball and both soccer programs along with providing additional funding to mens and women's basketball by joining SoCon or even Big South.

And how do we get into the SoCon without football?
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Ask UNCG? They got in

If SoCon added us and CoC that would be a 9 football/12 basketball alignment. They had that format with Davidson, UNCG, and Charleston in the league before Davidson and Charleston left
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