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(02-11-2019 02:50 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:32 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 01:40 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 01:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Who gives a **** how well liked he was by the players? He won games.

I’ll always go back to the story of Nathan Palmer almost quitting because of how much he hated Doeren. It’s a total non issue.

So what? I'm sure there was a player or two that disliked Novak and Kill too. The difference is Carey was not the favorite by a long shot by more than just one guy on the team. He won games. Ok. NIU football under Carey was not exciting or fun to watch, he had some successes and failures which there's no need to re-hash because its been beaten to death 50 million times already. Bottom line is I'm ready for a new era of NIU football.

People say players disliked Carey because they (you) didn’t like him. He was no different than any other coach in the sense there were players who loved him (Levon, JL6) and players who hated him.

And I’m glad you’re ready for a new era. Here’s to hoping it shows up in the stands next fall. I doubt it.

No, I'm saying the players disliked Carey because of what they directly said about him. I know its hard to hear something about your hero that tarnishes his reputation, since I'm sure you're in mourning right now. Maybe you can start a gofundme for a Carey statue to assuage your bereavement. Don't worry, NIU football will be okay without him.

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(02-11-2019 02:58 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:50 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:32 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 01:40 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 01:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Who gives a **** how well liked he was by the players? He won games.

I’ll always go back to the story of Nathan Palmer almost quitting because of how much he hated Doeren. It’s a total non issue.

So what? I'm sure there was a player or two that disliked Novak and Kill too. The difference is Carey was not the favorite by a long shot by more than just one guy on the team. He won games. Ok. NIU football under Carey was not exciting or fun to watch, he had some successes and failures which there's no need to re-hash because its been beaten to death 50 million times already. Bottom line is I'm ready for a new era of NIU football.

People say players disliked Carey because they (you) didn’t like him. He was no different than any other coach in the sense there were players who loved him (Levon, JL6) and players who hated him.

And I’m glad you’re ready for a new era. Here’s to hoping it shows up in the stands next fall. I doubt it.

No, I'm saying the players disliked Carey because of what they directly said about him. I know its hard to hear something about your hero that tarnishes his reputation, since I'm sure you're in mourning right now. Maybe you can start a gofundme for a Carey statue to assuage your bereavement. Don't worry, NIU football will be okay without him.

And I’m saying every coach who has ever coached football ever has players who will say negative things about them. You get 90 18-22 year olds together and odds are not everyone is going to like you.

And sick burns at the end there.
I agree that every coach in every sport has players that don't like them. Even the great ones like Saban, Urban Meyer, Coach K, and John Wooden. But there are coaches that can relate to and inspire a larger percentage of their players to perform at a higher level. I have had great and terrible coaches and managers, and the teams with the great leaders have always outperformed the bad ones. It comes down to respect, trust, and also personality. If I like a manager and/or coach, I will do more to earn his respect and work harder for him and the success of the team. It remains to be seen if Hammock will do better than Carey in wins and losses. I don't think Carey is a bad guy and it might be he is just not good in front of the camera, but I have seen enough of him to know he is not a person that would inspire me to be a better player or employee. And if I was a player looking at schools as a junior or senior, I would be much more excited about Hammock than Carey.
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(02-11-2019 04:42 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:58 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:50 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:32 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 01:40 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  So what? I'm sure there was a player or two that disliked Novak and Kill too. The difference is Carey was not the favorite by a long shot by more than just one guy on the team. He won games. Ok. NIU football under Carey was not exciting or fun to watch, he had some successes and failures which there's no need to re-hash because its been beaten to death 50 million times already. Bottom line is I'm ready for a new era of NIU football.

People say players disliked Carey because they (you) didn’t like him. He was no different than any other coach in the sense there were players who loved him (Levon, JL6) and players who hated him.

And I’m glad you’re ready for a new era. Here’s to hoping it shows up in the stands next fall. I doubt it.

No, I'm saying the players disliked Carey because of what they directly said about him. I know its hard to hear something about your hero that tarnishes his reputation, since I'm sure you're in mourning right now. Maybe you can start a gofundme for a Carey statue to assuage your bereavement. Don't worry, NIU football will be okay without him.

And I’m saying every coach who has ever coached football ever has players who will say negative things about them. You get 90 18-22 year olds together and odds are not everyone is going to like you.

And sick burns at the end there.
I agree that every coach in every sport has players that don't like them. Even the great ones like Saban, Urban Meyer, Coach K, and John Wooden. But there are coaches that can relate to and inspire a larger percentage of their players to perform at a higher level. I have had great and terrible coaches and managers, and the teams with the great leaders have always outperformed the bad ones. It comes down to respect, trust, and also personality. If I like a manager and/or coach, I will do more to earn his respect and work harder for him and the success of the team. It remains to be seen if Hammock will do better than Carey in wins and losses. I don't think Carey is a bad guy and it might be he is just not good in front of the camera, but I have seen enough of him to know he is not a person that would inspire me to be a better player or employee. And if I was a player looking at schools as a junior or senior, I would be much more excited about Hammock than Carey.

I said when he was hired Hammock is much closer to Fleck than he is Carey. He’s got much more of a personality and especially considering he played here I don’t think there’s any doubt he’ll relate to the players better.

According to this place though, Carey couldn’t recruit, couldn’t coach, and all his players hated him. It’s amazing how much success he had considering that.
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(02-11-2019 01:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Who gives a **** how well liked he was by the players? He won games.

I’ll always go back to the story of Nathan Palmer almost quitting because of how much he hated Doeren. It’s a total non issue.
Wasn't he like 3 games above .500 his last 3 years? If players dont like him how do you create a positive culture and recruit?
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(02-11-2019 01:21 PM)NorthCoast Wrote:  Who gives a **** how well liked he was by the players? He lost a bunch of games, to "inferior opponents" (opponents he was favored against and realistically should have beaten nine out of ten times), routinely.

He is one of the winningest MAC coaches of all-time. He will be inducted into the Mid-American Hall of Fame and have a possible statue erected at Huskie Stadium.
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Carey won. He did a very good job. Having said that, I am excited to see what Hammock can do. He is bringing in a very good staff. They should be able to recruit. We will see if they can coach.
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(02-12-2019 09:19 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Carey won. He did a very good job. Having said that, I am excited to see what Hammock can do. He is bringing in a very good staff. They should be able to recruit. We will see if they can coach.

+1 Now that we have a solid staff you have to take the wait and see approach. Hammock is pretty excited about his staff. Going to be interesting to see their coaching styles and how they move around the players. Great opportunity for young players to prove themselves.
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(02-12-2019 12:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  He is one of the winningest MAC coaches of all-time. He will be inducted into the Mid-American Hall of Fame and have a possible statue erected at Huskie Stadium.

This post trumps all others in this thread.
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(02-10-2019 04:48 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 04:57 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 01:22 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  I think there's cause for optimism in the passing game for several reasons. As far as receivers go, Tears looks ready to break out, Tyrice Richie will help immediately, last year's freshmen have a year under their belts and a new crop of exciting freshmen arrives this summer. The guys who graduated, although they played hard and we appreciate their efforts, were average. The receiver corps has a chance to be a lot better than last year. We also have three tight ends in Daniel Crawford, Mitch Brinkman and Corey Lersch who can get downfield and catch the ball. At QB this is the year that Childers either gets consistent or gets replaced. There's a lot to like with Childers and I'm pulling for him. He's tough, can extend plays with his feet and never complains when he's getting killed in the backfield (see UAB game). But now is the time for him to take the next step. We have other options available and this coaching staff does not have the investment in Childers that the previous one did. I have to believe that if he's having one of those games where they go three and out nine straight times this staff will give someone else a shot. So one way or another we should see improvement there. This team has everything it needs to compete for a MAC championship, let's get it.

Childers has mastered the bounce pass.

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And don't forget the out of bounds pass.

(02-12-2019 12:26 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 12:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  He is one of the winningest MAC coaches of all-time. He will be inducted into the Mid-American Hall of Fame and have a possible statue erected at Huskie Stadium.

This post trumps all others in this thread.

Like we can afford another statue on our current budget. Maybe a cardboard cutout.
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(02-13-2019 09:30 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  
(02-10-2019 04:48 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 04:57 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 01:22 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  I think there's cause for optimism in the passing game for several reasons. As far as receivers go, Tears looks ready to break out, Tyrice Richie will help immediately, last year's freshmen have a year under their belts and a new crop of exciting freshmen arrives this summer. The guys who graduated, although they played hard and we appreciate their efforts, were average. The receiver corps has a chance to be a lot better than last year. We also have three tight ends in Daniel Crawford, Mitch Brinkman and Corey Lersch who can get downfield and catch the ball. At QB this is the year that Childers either gets consistent or gets replaced. There's a lot to like with Childers and I'm pulling for him. He's tough, can extend plays with his feet and never complains when he's getting killed in the backfield (see UAB game). But now is the time for him to take the next step. We have other options available and this coaching staff does not have the investment in Childers that the previous one did. I have to believe that if he's having one of those games where they go three and out nine straight times this staff will give someone else a shot. So one way or another we should see improvement there. This team has everything it needs to compete for a MAC championship, let's get it.

Childers has mastered the bounce pass.

04-bow

And don't forget the out of bounds pass.

(02-12-2019 12:26 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 12:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  He is one of the winningest MAC coaches of all-time. He will be inducted into the Mid-American Hall of Fame and have a possible statue erected at Huskie Stadium.

This post trumps all others in this thread.

Like we can afford another statue on our current budget. Maybe a cardboard cutout.

95% of the offensive problem has moved to Temple, but Carey did leave a huge void of offensive talent for the new coach. Childers is not the type of QB that can carry a team alone, it will take awhile to get talent behind him. The one bright spot going into next season is that the MAC still appears to be down next year also. Some might argue WMU is making a move to the top again though. I think by the 2021-22 season, Hammock will have his players in place for NIU to get back to where it belongs.
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(02-12-2019 12:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 01:21 PM)NorthCoast Wrote:  Who gives a **** how well liked he was by the players? He lost a bunch of games, to "inferior opponents" (opponents he was favored against and realistically should have beaten nine out of ten times), routinely.

He is one of the winningest MAC coaches of all-time. He will be inducted into the Mid-American Hall of Fame and have a possible statue erected at Huskie Stadium.



https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/con...aches.html
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(02-14-2019 08:37 AM)BobL Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 12:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 01:21 PM)NorthCoast Wrote:  Who gives a **** how well liked he was by the players? He lost a bunch of games, to "inferior opponents" (opponents he was favored against and realistically should have beaten nine out of ten times), routinely.

He is one of the winningest MAC coaches of all-time. He will be inducted into the Mid-American Hall of Fame and have a possible statue erected at Huskie Stadium.



https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/con...aches.html

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Tom Matukewicz 2010 2010 1 Northern Illinois 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1.000
Dave Doeren 2011 2012 2 Northern Illinois 27 23 4 0 0.852 1 1 0 0 1.000
Bill Mallory 1969 1983 9 Miami (OH), Northern Illinois 95 64 31 0 0.674 2 2 0 0 1.000
Rod Carey 2012 2018 7 Northern Illinois 82 52 30 0 0.634 6 0 6 0 0.000
Jerry Kill 2008 2010 3 Northern Illinois 39 23 16 0 0.59 2 0 2 0 0.000
Joe Novak 1997 2007 11 Northern Illinois 128 62 66 0 0.484 2 1 1 0 0.500
Lee Corso 1984 1984 1 Northern Illinois 11 4 6 1 0.409 0 0 0 0
Jerry Pettibone 1985 1985 1 Northern Illinois 11 4 7 0 0.364 0 0 0 0
Pat Culpepper 1976 1979 4 Northern Illinois 44 14 29 1 0.33 0 0 0 0
Jerry Ippoliti 1975 1975 1 Northern Illinois 11 3 8 0 0.273 0 0 0 0
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Carey was essentially a 500 coach after Doerens players left. That wont cut it when have one of the weakest schedules in nation.
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A very early preview of the 2019 Huskies: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

With all the changes there could be some adjustment period. However, it is often said that teams take on the personality of the coach. If the Huskies take on the personality of Hammock with his passion for Huskies football we will be in great shape!
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(02-14-2019 10:58 AM)NILAW Wrote:  A very early preview of the 2019 Huskies: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

With all the changes there could be some adjustment period. However, it is often said that teams take on the personality of the coach. If the Huskies take on the personality of Hammock with his passion for Huskies football we will be in great shape!

Quote:The Huskies won their first five conference games by a total of 23 points, smoked Toledo to clinch the division, then threw it into cruise control
Same as it ever was.
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(02-14-2019 10:58 AM)NILAW Wrote:  A very early preview of the 2019 Huskies: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

With all the changes there could be some adjustment period. However, it is often said that teams take on the personality of the coach. If the Huskies take on the personality of Hammock with his passion for Huskies football we will be in great shape!

Hammock is still completing his staff amid recruiting, but his first hire was inspired. He brought South Dakota State offensive coordinator Eric Eidsness, one of college football’s more interesting offensive minds, east.

Love that...
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(02-14-2019 11:21 AM)NorthCoast Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 10:58 AM)NILAW Wrote:  A very early preview of the 2019 Huskies: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

With all the changes there could be some adjustment period. However, it is often said that teams take on the personality of the coach. If the Huskies take on the personality of Hammock with his passion for Huskies football we will be in great shape!

Quote:The Huskies won their first five conference games by a total of 23 points, smoked Toledo to clinch the division, then threw it into cruise control
Same as it ever was.
I still cannot believe Temple took Carey
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(02-14-2019 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:21 AM)NorthCoast Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 10:58 AM)NILAW Wrote:  A very early preview of the 2019 Huskies: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

With all the changes there could be some adjustment period. However, it is often said that teams take on the personality of the coach. If the Huskies take on the personality of Hammock with his passion for Huskies football we will be in great shape!

Quote:The Huskies won their first five conference games by a total of 23 points, smoked Toledo to clinch the division, then threw it into cruise control
Same as it ever was.
I still cannot believe Temple took Carey
They are lucky to have him and he'll do well, we more more lucky to have our new coaching staff. JC, let's move on here folks.
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(02-14-2019 12:17 PM)MileHighHuskie Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:21 AM)NorthCoast Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 10:58 AM)NILAW Wrote:  A very early preview of the 2019 Huskies: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

With all the changes there could be some adjustment period. However, it is often said that teams take on the personality of the coach. If the Huskies take on the personality of Hammock with his passion for Huskies football we will be in great shape!

Quote:The Huskies won their first five conference games by a total of 23 points, smoked Toledo to clinch the division, then threw it into cruise control
Same as it ever was.
I still cannot believe Temple took Carey
They are lucky to have him and he'll do well, we more more lucky to have our new coaching staff. JC, let's move on here folks.

I'm with this guy....Carey imo was good, but not great...regardless of whether you liked what he did or not...he's gone...I'm excited for what Hammock has to come
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(02-14-2019 12:25 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 12:17 PM)MileHighHuskie Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:21 AM)NorthCoast Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 10:58 AM)NILAW Wrote:  A very early preview of the 2019 Huskies: https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ule-roster

With all the changes there could be some adjustment period. However, it is often said that teams take on the personality of the coach. If the Huskies take on the personality of Hammock with his passion for Huskies football we will be in great shape!

Quote:The Huskies won their first five conference games by a total of 23 points, smoked Toledo to clinch the division, then threw it into cruise control
Same as it ever was.
I still cannot believe Temple took Carey
They are lucky to have him and he'll do well, we more more lucky to have our new coaching staff. JC, let's move on here folks.

I'm with this guy....Carey imo was good, but not great...regardless of whether you liked what he did or not...he's gone...I'm excited for what Hammock has to come

I just think Temple saved NIU
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