(02-08-2019 01:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 01:44 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 01:33 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:27 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:35 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  I have a friend who recently graduated from OM with a degree in Journalism. He said his professors consistently preached that it was far more important to be the first with the story than to get all the facts right. My friend said he questioned those professors, saying that that's not good journalism and he was met with stares like he was a madman.

That's the state of journalism today. He graduated last year btw.

Riiiiiiiight.

Believe what you want. I'm telling you what he told me. Graduated from Ole Miss last year. He said that attitude toward being first > being right was in every single class he took.

So...If he was saying they are teaching "you need to be the first one on the story, THEN be right, second", that is plausible but wrong.....If he is saying they teach "you need to be first on the story, no matter if you lie or not", that is guaranteed BULLSH!T.

you never divulge the source or post 'rhetoric as fact' unless they're willing to put their cods on the clothesline.....

....and I never 'dinkled' in journo099

Then there’s this

https://theathletic.com/806476/2019/02/0...-recruits/

(02-08-2019 09:08 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then there’s this

https://theathletic.com/806476/2019/02/0...-recruits/

Should have just hired AB and taken the social media beating! I will go ahead and call it. Hop will resign.

(02-08-2019 09:08 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then there’s this

https://theathletic.com/806476/2019/02/0...-recruits/

That's the same hit piece Patty Magee tweeted and published in Sun Heald - and that TJ Werre cleared up as horse ****. The kid was denied admission once athletic staff discovered the kids history.

https://twitter.com/TJ_WJTV/status/1093729848131010561

(02-08-2019 09:28 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:08 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then there’s this

https://theathletic.com/806476/2019/02/0...-recruits/

That's the same hit piece Patty Magee tweeted and published in Sun Heald - and that TJ Werre cleared up as horse ****. The kid was denied admission once athletic staff discovered the kids history.

https://twitter.com/TJ_WJTV/status/1093729848131010561

Did anyone actually read the article or even Magee’s report on it? The 3 things Werre stated in his Tweet, i.e.: 1) The kid signed, 2) an athletic department employee later discovered his legal history so 3) the kid is not on campus, is the exact same account given in the story. There is no contradiction between the two.

That said, if you still want to call it an opportunistic hit piece just out of principle, I won’t argue. Nobody would care about this if we hadn’t had Briles on campus.

(02-08-2019 11:35 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:28 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:08 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then there’s this

https://theathletic.com/806476/2019/02/0...-recruits/

That's the same hit piece Patty Magee tweeted and published in Sun Heald - and that TJ Werre cleared up as horse ****. The kid was denied admission once athletic staff discovered the kids history.

https://twitter.com/TJ_WJTV/status/1093729848131010561

Did anyone actually read the article or even Magee’s report on it? The 3 things Werre stated in his Tweet, i.e.: 1) The kid signed, 2) an athletic department employee later discovered his legal history so 3) the kid is not on campus, is the exact same account given in the story. There is no contradiction between the two.

That said, if you still want to call it an opportunistic hit piece just out of principle, I won’t argue. Nobody would care about this if we hadn’t had Briles on campus.

If you cant tell the difference between the two, then i cant help you. Well, ill try- **** wads Magee created the HEADLINE -Jay Hopson Fails to Disclose Rape Alligations Against...

See the ******* difference? He turned a nonstory into a headline that made JH look like AB. Made it sound like Jay signed a rapist and tried to hide it from everyone but got caught. Theres no confirmation that ive seen that Jay even knew about that before signing the kid. Big, big difference in the way the story was portrayed. Hence....a hit piece. For years ive been trying to give that loser Magee the benefit of the doubt...but no more. He really is pathetic at what he does and piece of ****.

(02-09-2019 12:24 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If you cant tell the difference between the two, then i cant help you. Well, ill try- **** wads Magee created the HEADLINE -Jay Hopson Fails to Disclose Rape Alligations Against...

See the ******* difference? He turned a nonstory into a headline that made JH look like AB. Made it sound like Jay signed a rapist and tried to hide it from everyone but got caught. Theres no confirmation that ive seen that Jay even knew about that before signing the kid. Big, big difference in the way the story was portrayed. Hence....a hit piece. For years ive been trying to give that loser Magee the benefit of the doubt...but no more. He really is pathetic at what he does and piece of ****.

Oh, I completely agree the Sun Herald headline was misleading. Neither is good, but there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was.

Much the same, there’s a big difference between “Magee put a bull**** spin on that story” and “Werre said that story was horse ****.” That’s two completely different things, the latter of which very definitely did not happen. Werre actually confirmed 3 key elements of what The Athletic originally published.

Speakin' of headlines, did you see the one in the NY Daily News?

BEZOS EXPOSES PECKER!

(02-09-2019 10:40 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  Speakin' of headlines, did you see the one in the NY Daily News?

BEZOS EXPOSES PECKER!

Why on earth would the Enquirer think they could play that guy?

Hell, give me Bezos’ money, and I’ll let you take a picture of my junk and use it as the opening graphic for WDAM news.

(02-09-2019 12:18 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 10:40 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  Speakin' of headlines, did you see the one in the NY Daily News?

BEZOS EXPOSES PECKER!

I’ll let you take a picture of my junk and use it as the opening graphic for WDAM news.

Unfortunately, I'll only be noticed if you have an 82" Samsung...

...and you're right harbor, Bezos is the wrong guy to pick a fight with...but why o why would someone with his resources resort to high school antics on the "internets"?

(02-09-2019 10:06 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 12:24 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If you cant tell the difference between the two, then i cant help you. Well, ill try- **** wads Magee created the HEADLINE -Jay Hopson Fails to Disclose Rape Alligations Against...

See the ******* difference? He turned a nonstory into a headline that made JH look like AB. Made it sound like Jay signed a rapist and tried to hide it from everyone but got caught. Theres no confirmation that ive seen that Jay even knew about that before signing the kid. Big, big difference in the way the story was portrayed. Hence....a hit piece. For years ive been trying to give that loser Magee the benefit of the doubt...but no more. He really is pathetic at what he does and piece of ****.

Oh, I completely agree the Sun Herald headline was misleading. Neither is good, but there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was.

Much the same, there’s a big difference between “Magee put a bull**** spin on that story” and “Werre said that story was horse ****.” That’s two completely different things, the latter of which very definitely did not happen. Werre actually confirmed 3 key elements of what The Athletic originally published.

I can read. I understand the guts of the stories and I understand every word printed (that I was able to read without subscription). They were HIT PIECES. Why? How about the headline for the original story as well, "Southern Miss coach shows pattern of pursuing personnel connected to sexual assault cases"? Do you think this is fair and accurate? Is Hop really running around, seeking out kids and coaches that are associated with sexual assaults? Before you answer, you may want to brush up on the word "pursue" - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pursue


I said Werre, "cleared up" [the hit piece] as "horse ****" - bc with the headlines alone....it IS horseshit. Doesn't mater if every other word in the story is accurate or not. I get your point and all but I hope you can get mine.

If you (or me or anyone) read the story alone, without the headline....would you want to run down the street with a pitch fork calling for Jay's head? I would hope not.

Now, if you (or me or anyone) read just the two headlines alone.... would you want to run, calling for Jay's head? I would hope so.

See the difference?

As you said, "there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was."

You cant disclose something if you are unaware of it (tell me if you disagree) and the story does not say Hop was aware of it...but the HEADLINE says he, "failed to disclose..." - They are spinning the entire issue and it was a Hit Piece on Jay, IMO.

Heck, even if he was aware of it, I don't think he is out there searching and striving to find kids and coaches associated with rape/sexual assaults as the original headline indicates. Jay's been pretty clean the 3-4 years as HC here (as well as while he was an assistant here), as far as i know.

I'm not his biggest fan, I just hate seeing unfair / misleading info out there on him (or on anyone). I'm still unclear if he had Dr. B clued in on the interview bc of some OTHER possible horse **** story / headline.

I completely get where you’re coming from, Reggie. Like I said in the first reply, I have zero issue with labeling the story an opportunistic hit piece. Facts can be spun any number of ways despite being factual.

(02-09-2019 12:43 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 10:06 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 12:24 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If you cant tell the difference between the two, then i cant help you. Well, ill try- **** wads Magee created the HEADLINE -Jay Hopson Fails to Disclose Rape Alligations Against...

See the ******* difference? He turned a nonstory into a headline that made JH look like AB. Made it sound like Jay signed a rapist and tried to hide it from everyone but got caught. Theres no confirmation that ive seen that Jay even knew about that before signing the kid. Big, big difference in the way the story was portrayed. Hence....a hit piece. For years ive been trying to give that loser Magee the benefit of the doubt...but no more. He really is pathetic at what he does and piece of ****.

Oh, I completely agree the Sun Herald headline was misleading. Neither is good, but there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was.

Much the same, there’s a big difference between “Magee put a bull**** spin on that story” and “Werre said that story was horse ****.” That’s two completely different things, the latter of which very definitely did not happen. Werre actually confirmed 3 key elements of what The Athletic originally published.

I can read. I understand the guts of the stories and I understand every word printed (that I was able to read without subscription). They were HIT PIECES. Why? How about the headline for the original story as well, "Southern Miss coach shows pattern of pursuing personnel connected to sexual assault cases"? Do you think this is fair and accurate? Is Hop really running around, seeking out kids and coaches that are associated with sexual assaults? Before you answer, you may want to brush up on the word "pursue" - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pursue


I said Werre, "cleared up" [the hit piece] as "horse ****" - bc with the headlines alone....it IS horseshit. Doesn't mater if every other word in the story is accurate or not. I get your point and all but I hope you can get mine.

If you (or me or anyone) read the story alone, without the headline....would you want to run down the street with a pitch fork calling for Jay's head? I would hope not.

Now, if you (or me or anyone) read just the two headlines alone.... would you want to run, calling for Jay's head? I would hope so.

See the difference?

As you said, "there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was."

You cant disclose something if you are unaware of it (tell me if you disagree) and the story does not say Hop was aware of it...but the HEADLINE says he, "failed to disclose..." - They are spinning the entire issue and it was a Hit Piece on Jay, IMO.

Heck, even if he was aware of it, I don't think he is out there searching and striving to find kids and coaches associated with rape/sexual assaults as the original headline indicates. Jay's been pretty clean the 3-4 years as HC here (as well as while he was an assistant here), as far as i know.

I'm not his biggest fan, I just hate seeing unfair / misleading info out there on him (or on anyone). I'm still unclear if he had Dr. B clued in on the interview bc of some OTHER possible horse **** story / headline.

The Athletic piece did fail to establish that the coaching staff had prior knowledge, and I would agree that Patrick Magee should have worded that differently.

SBNation's follow-up report DID establish that the coaching staff knew but did not pass that info along (and Magee may have known that report was coming):

"When USM staffers contacted football administrators following the discovery of that article, at least one USM football staffer indicated he had also been unaware of West’s past until a background check for an apartment rental in Hattiesburg brought the allegations to light. The football staff that apparently did not pass the results of any West background checks along to USM admissions." (https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...jay-hopson)

Did they know WHILE RECRUITING him? I don't know. The Athletic piece certainly illustrates that they SHOULD have. This was a guy who signed with BYU (among a lot of other offers), suddenly decided to go JUCO (when BYU pulled their offer because of the charges), and was a JUCO All-American who does not appear to have been officially recruited by anyone other than USM. If you google "Charles West running back," the Dallas newspaper article is the third link in the results. This appears to have been a pretty high-profile case at the time. You would have a hard time convincing any unbiased person that they didn't know who they were recruiting...but that is not certain. But again, SBNation report does say that they knew at some point and failed to tell anyone.

(02-09-2019 03:03 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 12:43 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 10:06 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 12:24 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If you cant tell the difference between the two, then i cant help you. Well, ill try- **** wads Magee created the HEADLINE -Jay Hopson Fails to Disclose Rape Alligations Against...

See the ******* difference? He turned a nonstory into a headline that made JH look like AB. Made it sound like Jay signed a rapist and tried to hide it from everyone but got caught. Theres no confirmation that ive seen that Jay even knew about that before signing the kid. Big, big difference in the way the story was portrayed. Hence....a hit piece. For years ive been trying to give that loser Magee the benefit of the doubt...but no more. He really is pathetic at what he does and piece of ****.

Oh, I completely agree the Sun Herald headline was misleading. Neither is good, but there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was.

Much the same, there’s a big difference between “Magee put a bull**** spin on that story” and “Werre said that story was horse ****.” That’s two completely different things, the latter of which very definitely did not happen. Werre actually confirmed 3 key elements of what The Athletic originally published.

I can read. I understand the guts of the stories and I understand every word printed (that I was able to read without subscription). They were HIT PIECES. Why? How about the headline for the original story as well, "Southern Miss coach shows pattern of pursuing personnel connected to sexual assault cases"? Do you think this is fair and accurate? Is Hop really running around, seeking out kids and coaches that are associated with sexual assaults? Before you answer, you may want to brush up on the word "pursue" - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pursue


I said Werre, "cleared up" [the hit piece] as "horse ****" - bc with the headlines alone....it IS horseshit. Doesn't mater if every other word in the story is accurate or not. I get your point and all but I hope you can get mine.

If you (or me or anyone) read the story alone, without the headline....would you want to run down the street with a pitch fork calling for Jay's head? I would hope not.

Now, if you (or me or anyone) read just the two headlines alone.... would you want to run, calling for Jay's head? I would hope so.

See the difference?

As you said, "there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was."

You cant disclose something if you are unaware of it (tell me if you disagree) and the story does not say Hop was aware of it...but the HEADLINE says he, "failed to disclose..." - They are spinning the entire issue and it was a Hit Piece on Jay, IMO.

Heck, even if he was aware of it, I don't think he is out there searching and striving to find kids and coaches associated with rape/sexual assaults as the original headline indicates. Jay's been pretty clean the 3-4 years as HC here (as well as while he was an assistant here), as far as i know.

I'm not his biggest fan, I just hate seeing unfair / misleading info out there on him (or on anyone). I'm still unclear if he had Dr. B clued in on the interview bc of some OTHER possible horse **** story / headline.

The Athletic piece did fail to establish that the coaching staff had prior knowledge, and I would agree that Patrick Magee should have worded that differently.

SBNation's follow-up report DID establish that the coaching staff knew but did not pass that info along (and Magee may have known that report was coming):

"When USM staffers contacted football administrators following the discovery of that article, at least one USM football staffer indicated he had also been unaware of West’s past until a background check for an apartment rental in Hattiesburg brought the allegations to light. The football staff that apparently did not pass the results of any West background checks along to USM admissions." (https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...jay-hopson)

Did they know WHILE RECRUITING him? I don't know. The Athletic piece certainly illustrates that they SHOULD have. This was a guy who signed with BYU (among a lot of other offers), suddenly decided to go JUCO (when BYU pulled their offer because of the charges), and was a JUCO All-American who does not appear to have been officially recruited by anyone other than USM. If you google "Charles West running back," the Dallas newspaper article is the third link in the results. This appears to have been a pretty high-profile case at the time. You would have a hard time convincing any unbiased person that they didn't know who they were recruiting...but that is not certain. But again, SBNation report does say that they knew at some point and failed to tell anyone.

Of course the coaching staff knew about it....Even I knew about it while we were recruiting him. You cannot recruit a kid like that and not report it to your superiors.

Does this mean Hop is the Devil Incarnate? Of course not...but we know him...and SBNation does not.

Older guys like Hop need to understand you can't get away with sh!t these days...and the nat'l. sports media has an orgasm when something like this pops up, because they so badly wanna be the GOOD GUYS.

(02-09-2019 04:05 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 03:03 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 12:43 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 10:06 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 12:24 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If you cant tell the difference between the two, then i cant help you. Well, ill try- **** wads Magee created the HEADLINE -Jay Hopson Fails to Disclose Rape Alligations Against...

See the ******* difference? He turned a nonstory into a headline that made JH look like AB. Made it sound like Jay signed a rapist and tried to hide it from everyone but got caught. Theres no confirmation that ive seen that Jay even knew about that before signing the kid. Big, big difference in the way the story was portrayed. Hence....a hit piece. For years ive been trying to give that loser Magee the benefit of the doubt...but no more. He really is pathetic at what he does and piece of ****.

Oh, I completely agree the Sun Herald headline was misleading. Neither is good, but there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was.

Much the same, there’s a big difference between “Magee put a bull**** spin on that story” and “Werre said that story was horse ****.” That’s two completely different things, the latter of which very definitely did not happen. Werre actually confirmed 3 key elements of what The Athletic originally published.

I can read. I understand the guts of the stories and I understand every word printed (that I was able to read without subscription). They were HIT PIECES. Why? How about the headline for the original story as well, "Southern Miss coach shows pattern of pursuing personnel connected to sexual assault cases"? Do you think this is fair and accurate? Is Hop really running around, seeking out kids and coaches that are associated with sexual assaults? Before you answer, you may want to brush up on the word "pursue" - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pursue


I said Werre, "cleared up" [the hit piece] as "horse ****" - bc with the headlines alone....it IS horseshit. Doesn't mater if every other word in the story is accurate or not. I get your point and all but I hope you can get mine.

If you (or me or anyone) read the story alone, without the headline....would you want to run down the street with a pitch fork calling for Jay's head? I would hope not.

Now, if you (or me or anyone) read just the two headlines alone.... would you want to run, calling for Jay's head? I would hope so.

See the difference?

As you said, "there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was."

You cant disclose something if you are unaware of it (tell me if you disagree) and the story does not say Hop was aware of it...but the HEADLINE says he, "failed to disclose..." - They are spinning the entire issue and it was a Hit Piece on Jay, IMO.

Heck, even if he was aware of it, I don't think he is out there searching and striving to find kids and coaches associated with rape/sexual assaults as the original headline indicates. Jay's been pretty clean the 3-4 years as HC here (as well as while he was an assistant here), as far as i know.

I'm not his biggest fan, I just hate seeing unfair / misleading info out there on him (or on anyone). I'm still unclear if he had Dr. B clued in on the interview bc of some OTHER possible horse **** story / headline.

The Athletic piece did fail to establish that the coaching staff had prior knowledge, and I would agree that Patrick Magee should have worded that differently.

SBNation's follow-up report DID establish that the coaching staff knew but did not pass that info along (and Magee may have known that report was coming):

"When USM staffers contacted football administrators following the discovery of that article, at least one USM football staffer indicated he had also been unaware of West’s past until a background check for an apartment rental in Hattiesburg brought the allegations to light. The football staff that apparently did not pass the results of any West background checks along to USM admissions." (https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...jay-hopson)

Did they know WHILE RECRUITING him? I don't know. The Athletic piece certainly illustrates that they SHOULD have. This was a guy who signed with BYU (among a lot of other offers), suddenly decided to go JUCO (when BYU pulled their offer because of the charges), and was a JUCO All-American who does not appear to have been officially recruited by anyone other than USM. If you google "Charles West running back," the Dallas newspaper article is the third link in the results. This appears to have been a pretty high-profile case at the time. You would have a hard time convincing any unbiased person that they didn't know who they were recruiting...but that is not certain. But again, SBNation report does say that they knew at some point and failed to tell anyone.

Of course the coaching staff knew about it....Even I knew about it while we were recruiting him. You cannot recruit a kid like that and not report it to your superiors.

Does this mean Hop is the Devil Incarnate? Of course not...but we know him...and SBNation does not.

Older guys like Hop need to understand you can't get away with sh!t these days...and the nat'l. sports media has an orgasm when something like this pops up, because they so badly wanna be the GOOD GUYS.

All due respect, I think fans and media thinking that they know a coach as being a virtuous person has proven to be dangerous. Unless you are one of the closest people to Jay Hopson, all you know about him as a person is what he wants you to see publicly.

You especially don't know what he is willing to do to keep his job (i.e., win football games). The only people that know that do are those who work with him, and even many of them may not truly know.

Hell, I have no idea what I would be willing to do if I worked in a 18 hours/day in a high-pressure job in which my livelihood was 100% contingent upon winning.

You are being programmed to divert attention away from the person who lit this fire, Mr. Potato Head.

(02-09-2019 05:05 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 04:05 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 03:03 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 12:43 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 10:06 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Oh, I completely agree the Sun Herald headline was misleading. Neither is good, but there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was.

Much the same, there’s a big difference between “Magee put a bull**** spin on that story” and “Werre said that story was horse ****.” That’s two completely different things, the latter of which very definitely did not happen. Werre actually confirmed 3 key elements of what The Athletic originally published.

I can read. I understand the guts of the stories and I understand every word printed (that I was able to read without subscription). They were HIT PIECES. Why? How about the headline for the original story as well, "Southern Miss coach shows pattern of pursuing personnel connected to sexual assault cases"? Do you think this is fair and accurate? Is Hop really running around, seeking out kids and coaches that are associated with sexual assaults? Before you answer, you may want to brush up on the word "pursue" - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pursue


I said Werre, "cleared up" [the hit piece] as "horse ****" - bc with the headlines alone....it IS horseshit. Doesn't mater if every other word in the story is accurate or not. I get your point and all but I hope you can get mine.

If you (or me or anyone) read the story alone, without the headline....would you want to run down the street with a pitch fork calling for Jay's head? I would hope not.

Now, if you (or me or anyone) read just the two headlines alone.... would you want to run, calling for Jay's head? I would hope so.

See the difference?

As you said, "there’s a difference between “failed to disclose” and “failed to be aware of.” The original story doesn’t specify which it was."

You cant disclose something if you are unaware of it (tell me if you disagree) and the story does not say Hop was aware of it...but the HEADLINE says he, "failed to disclose..." - They are spinning the entire issue and it was a Hit Piece on Jay, IMO.

Heck, even if he was aware of it, I don't think he is out there searching and striving to find kids and coaches associated with rape/sexual assaults as the original headline indicates. Jay's been pretty clean the 3-4 years as HC here (as well as while he was an assistant here), as far as i know.

I'm not his biggest fan, I just hate seeing unfair / misleading info out there on him (or on anyone). I'm still unclear if he had Dr. B clued in on the interview bc of some OTHER possible horse **** story / headline.

The Athletic piece did fail to establish that the coaching staff had prior knowledge, and I would agree that Patrick Magee should have worded that differently.

SBNation's follow-up report DID establish that the coaching staff knew but did not pass that info along (and Magee may have known that report was coming):

"When USM staffers contacted football administrators following the discovery of that article, at least one USM football staffer indicated he had also been unaware of West’s past until a background check for an apartment rental in Hattiesburg brought the allegations to light. The football staff that apparently did not pass the results of any West background checks along to USM admissions." (https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...jay-hopson)

Did they know WHILE RECRUITING him? I don't know. The Athletic piece certainly illustrates that they SHOULD have. This was a guy who signed with BYU (among a lot of other offers), suddenly decided to go JUCO (when BYU pulled their offer because of the charges), and was a JUCO All-American who does not appear to have been officially recruited by anyone other than USM. If you google "Charles West running back," the Dallas newspaper article is the third link in the results. This appears to have been a pretty high-profile case at the time. You would have a hard time convincing any unbiased person that they didn't know who they were recruiting...but that is not certain. But again, SBNation report does say that they knew at some point and failed to tell anyone.

Of course the coaching staff knew about it....Even I knew about it while we were recruiting him. You cannot recruit a kid like that and not report it to your superiors.

Does this mean Hop is the Devil Incarnate? Of course not...but we know him...and SBNation does not.

Older guys like Hop need to understand you can't get away with sh!t these days...and the nat'l. sports media has an orgasm when something like this pops up, because they so badly wanna be the GOOD GUYS.

All due respect, I think fans and media thinking that they know a coach as being a virtuous person has proven to be dangerous. Unless you are one of the closest people to Jay Hopson, all you know about him as a person is what he wants you to see publicly.

You especially don't know what he is willing to do to keep his job (i.e., win football games). The only people that know that do are those who work with him, and even many of them may not truly know.

Hell, I have no idea what I would be willing to do if I worked in a 18 hours/day in a high-pressure job in which my livelihood was 100% contingent upon winning.

Head Football Corch is a great job ANY WHERE...and I'd say making 10.00 an hour with 5 kids and a mortgage is a lot more high-pressure!

I see more Head Coaches on the golf course than I see working 18 hour days.

Besides, corches have an excuse NOT to mow the yard, take the garbage out and clean the diapers. EVERY coach who says he is "quitting to be with his family" either gets a TV gig or back into coaching.

Now, I'm not saying coaching is not HIGH PRESSURE, or a lot of coaches won't do anything to KEEP THAT lifestyle, but I don't think Hop has too many sleepless night at USM, since there is nothing else he could do to make over $500,000 a year!


...and you won't hurt my feelings if you don't show DUE RESPECT, since I'm not necessarily due any from you.