(02-06-2019 12:02 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  To be honest this conference basketball wise is going to move on five teams developing rivalries. Mainly Memphis, Cincy, UCONN, Temple and Houston. Sorry but those are the ones that are going to get the ratings and national interest first. Some of us have had the "heat" at some time or another but now it can stew. I think some other teams like an up and coming USF and UCF can eventually become "interesting ". The rest I think are meh.

Shocks are such a low MBB draw they were part of the highest TV rated MBB game in the history of the conference.

Derp...

If you think WSU falls to eighth or worst in the conference when it comes to history, attendance, time spent in polls, MBB budget, coaching salaries, media attention, and TV ratings, then I have a time machine to sell you to transport yourself from whatever decade in the past you're currently living in.

One could make a strong argument based on actual facts and quantitative data related to the above criteria that would show WSU as the #4 MBB program overall in the AAC - solidly behind UCONN, Cincy, and Memphis; certain advantages over Temple and UH; very clear advantages over everyone else.

AAC didn’t invite WSU because they wanted another program to bring up the middle-rear behind the nothingburger (MBB history/cache) Florida schools.

WSU should develop serious rivalries with Tulsa and SMU simply due to geography and history.

There really isn't a rivalry in the conference that moves the needle nationally, IMO.

UCONN/Cuse moves the needle.
UC/XU moves the needle.
Memphis/UofL moves the needle.
Temple/Nova moves the needle.

But in conference, not so much.

(02-05-2019 01:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Used to be UCONN-UC until Ollie ruined it.

Now the only rivalry I tune in for is Tulane-ECU.

We will continue to sail the Green Wave and dominate her seas!

(02-06-2019 12:44 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  

(02-06-2019 12:08 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-06-2019 11:21 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  On a related note... can we change the Tulsa WSU rivalry name from

"Havoc in the Heartland" to

"Heartland Havoc"

It's more to the point.

Seconded. Perhaps we need to float it into the twitterverse to make it happen?

You all can say what you want, but two things were made clear to me when I became a Tulsa fan. The same two things are taught to children in my family and those I convert. We hate Wichita and the only thing we hate more than Wichita is Houston Cougar football and not by much.

Order of hate:

1a. Coog football
1b. The Schuckers

2. Coogs

3. It doesn't matter see 1 and 2 (but probably Texas /-\)

The twenty year hiatus of home and home lowered the temp some. Even so it was a big game in the OOC game. I will never forget Dante Swanson wearing his hair in wheatshocks in Koch. But now that home and home is back it's just like putting on an old pair of boots, well broken in, comfortable, like you've always worn them and never took them off. Type of boots you wear to stomp a mudhole and walk it dry.

Might be different in the Tulsa realm of fandom, but with Shocker fans if your age is less than say 50, the Tulsa thing is fairly meh. Not a disrespectful meh, just not a lot there. Shocker fans of the Millennial gen, and most of Gen X, have a hate for Creighton that runs far, far hotter (although that is slowly dying off), and then KU on a similar level of hate, but different context.

We’re trying to hate you folks again, it’s just a work in progress. Lol!

I think you are a little over on age. But I would absolutely agree that for 20-40 year olds the bluejays are much more heated. For those that age I would think the conference races and continuous history would supplant Tulsa. Had we continued just playing ooc I think that it would have most likely completely dissipated over the next five or ten years. However I think it will be as strong as ever shortly, there are enough older people those in the late 30s-60s who remember to easily pass it on. I know there was some definite awareness from older casual fans in Tulsa that we were in the same conference again.

I really like my old boots analogy, I have a feeling that very shortly the heat will be back. I know Shea Seals was definitely pumped up in Koch last week, he brings some continuity to Tulsa's basketball history for the current team.

(02-06-2019 03:04 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-06-2019 12:44 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  

(02-06-2019 12:08 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-06-2019 11:21 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  On a related note... can we change the Tulsa WSU rivalry name from

"Havoc in the Heartland" to

"Heartland Havoc"

It's more to the point.

Seconded. Perhaps we need to float it into the twitterverse to make it happen?

You all can say what you want, but two things were made clear to me when I became a Tulsa fan. The same two things are taught to children in my family and those I convert. We hate Wichita and the only thing we hate more than Wichita is Houston Cougar football and not by much.

Order of hate:

1a. Coog football
1b. The Schuckers

2. Coogs

3. It doesn't matter see 1 and 2 (but probably Texas /-\)

The twenty year hiatus of home and home lowered the temp some. Even so it was a big game in the OOC game. I will never forget Dante Swanson wearing his hair in wheatshocks in Koch. But now that home and home is back it's just like putting on an old pair of boots, well broken in, comfortable, like you've always worn them and never took them off. Type of boots you wear to stomp a mudhole and walk it dry.

Might be different in the Tulsa realm of fandom, but with Shocker fans if your age is less than say 50, the Tulsa thing is fairly meh. Not a disrespectful meh, just not a lot there. Shocker fans of the Millennial gen, and most of Gen X, have a hate for Creighton that runs far, far hotter (although that is slowly dying off), and then KU on a similar level of hate, but different context.

We’re trying to hate you folks again, it’s just a work in progress. Lol!

I think you are a little over on age. But I would absolutely agree that for 20-40 year olds the bluejays are much more heated. For those that age I would think the conference races and continuous history would supplant Tulsa. Had we continued just playing ooc I think that it would have most likely completely dissipated over the next five or ten years. However I think it will be as strong as ever shortly, there are enough older people those in the late 30s-60s who remember to easily pass it on. I know there was some definite awareness from older casual fans in Tulsa that we were in the same conference again.

I really like my old boots analogy, I have a feeling that very shortly the heat will be back. I know Shea Seals was definitely pumped up in Koch last week, he brings some continuity to Tulsa's basketball history for the current team.

I hope an older Tulsa fan throws a set of false teeth at a Wichita State player in their return trip just because it would be hilarious, and it would probably do more for this rivalry than either team is doing right now.

The only team I would really be bummed about not being in a conference with anymore would be Connecticut. Anyone else, I could mostly take or leave. I like playing with Cincinnati and Memphis, too, they're sensible coinference mates, but I wouldn't blink for any reason besides metrics and conference prestige if Houston or UCF or someone else were to leave. Nothing against their cities, schools, or programs, but they don't do anything for me culture wise.

As for the privates, I have no idea how we woke up one day in a conference with schools like SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa. And again, nothing against those schools, we just don't belong in the same conference.

Rivalries? None for us here. We have our rivals of 100+ years that we play every year that are all right here, fan bases rubbing shoulders. There will never be a team in any conference that, all other things equal, would generate even close to the amount of interest the Big 5 does. Maybe Penn State could become a closer second if they were ever relevant and played us. Maybe Rutgers.

I don't personally know anyone associated with any other AAC school, how do you build rivalries when the fan bases don't ever get together or are in proximity? USF UCF is legit, seems like Houston SMU could be big, Tulsa Wichita, but this is a hodgepodge conference full of teams that came in with their own historic rivalries. We have the Big 5, UConn has Cuse/GTown/OBE, SMU has TCU. The rest of you all have rivals, i'm sure. This league wasn't built for it, and that's why it's boring and lacks decent storylines.

(02-06-2019 09:59 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  The only team I would really be bummed about not being in a conference with anymore would be Connecticut. Anyone else, I could mostly take or leave. I like playing with Cincinnati and Memphis, too, they're sensible coinference mates, but I wouldn't blink for any reason besides metrics and conference prestige if Houston or UCF or someone else were to leave. Nothing against their cities, schools, or programs, but they don't do anything for me culture wise.

As for the privates, I have no idea how we woke up one day in a conference with schools like SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa. And again, nothing against those schools, we just don't belong in the same conference.

Rivalries? None for us here. We have our rivals of 100+ years that we play every year that are all right here, fan bases rubbing shoulders. There will never be a team in any conference that, all other things equal, would generate even close to the amount of interest the Big 5 does. Maybe Penn State could become a closer second if they were ever relevant and played us. Maybe Rutgers.

I don't personally know anyone associated with any other AAC school, how do you build rivalries when the fan bases don't ever get together or are in proximity? USF UCF is legit, seems like Houston SMU could be big, Tulsa Wichita, but this is a hodgepodge conference full of teams that came in with their own historic rivalries. We have the Big 5, UConn has Cuse/GTown/OBE, SMU has TCU. The rest of you all have rivals, i'm sure. This league wasn't built for it, and that's why it's boring and lacks decent storylines.

Temple needs to go back the MAC

Civil ConFLiCT Basketball - UCONN vs UCF?

(02-05-2019 03:44 PM)Agust Wrote:  so were just going to act like the civil conflict isn't a thing?

Pretty much one of the best rivalries in The American.

(02-06-2019 09:59 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  The only team I would really be bummed about not being in a conference with anymore would be Connecticut. Anyone else, I could mostly take or leave. I like playing with Cincinnati and Memphis, too, they're sensible coinference mates, but I wouldn't blink for any reason besides metrics and conference prestige if Houston or UCF or someone else were to leave. Nothing against their cities, schools, or programs, but they don't do anything for me culture wise.

As for the privates, I have no idea how we woke up one day in a conference with schools like SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa. And again, nothing against those schools, we just don't belong in the same conference.

Rivalries? None for us here. We have our rivals of 100+ years that we play every year that are all right here, fan bases rubbing shoulders. There will never be a team in any conference that, all other things equal, would generate even close to the amount of interest the Big 5 does. Maybe Penn State could become a closer second if they were ever relevant and played us. Maybe Rutgers.

I don't personally know anyone associated with any other AAC school, how do you build rivalries when the fan bases don't ever get together or are in proximity? USF UCF is legit, seems like Houston SMU could be big, Tulsa Wichita, but this is a hodgepodge conference full of teams that came in with their own historic rivalries. We have the Big 5, UConn has Cuse/GTown/OBE, SMU has TCU. The rest of you all have rivals, i'm sure. This league wasn't built for it, and that's why it's boring and lacks decent storylines.

Speaking the unappealing truth doesn't position you well on this board. I'd advise against it. #P6

(02-06-2019 11:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2019 09:59 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  The only team I would really be bummed about not being in a conference with anymore would be Connecticut. Anyone else, I could mostly take or leave. I like playing with Cincinnati and Memphis, too, they're sensible coinference mates, but I wouldn't blink for any reason besides metrics and conference prestige if Houston or UCF or someone else were to leave. Nothing against their cities, schools, or programs, but they don't do anything for me culture wise.

As for the privates, I have no idea how we woke up one day in a conference with schools like SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa. And again, nothing against those schools, we just don't belong in the same conference.

Rivalries? None for us here. We have our rivals of 100+ years that we play every year that are all right here, fan bases rubbing shoulders. There will never be a team in any conference that, all other things equal, would generate even close to the amount of interest the Big 5 does. Maybe Penn State could become a closer second if they were ever relevant and played us. Maybe Rutgers.

I don't personally know anyone associated with any other AAC school, how do you build rivalries when the fan bases don't ever get together or are in proximity? USF UCF is legit, seems like Houston SMU could be big, Tulsa Wichita, but this is a hodgepodge conference full of teams that came in with their own historic rivalries. We have the Big 5, UConn has Cuse/GTown/OBE, SMU has TCU. The rest of you all have rivals, i'm sure. This league wasn't built for it, and that's why it's boring and lacks decent storylines.

Temple needs to go back the MAC

Temple was only in the MAC for football; this is a basketball thread. In football we are 1-1 in American conference championship games; SMU is...? In basketball we have one regular season first place finish; SMU has how many?