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Is The Old English "R" going away
I have just been informed that we are getting rid of the classic old English R that people associate with Rice. I've had enough of this. Our athletic program is going in the wrong direction. We should not hire outside of the Rice community because others do not value the tradition. This couldn't be more evident than it is now. What a disgrace.

Edit: The only confirmed sport I know is baseball thus far
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RE: The Old English "R" Is No More
As I recall, the Old English "R" was Wayne Graham's doing. I always liked it, but I don't believe we ever had it on a logo before he got here (I'm sure I could be wrong and will be corrected quickly if so). Other Rice teams copies Wayne's lead and it started appearing on other teams uniforms.

But if I'm right, I don't know if you should get that upset if Bragga wants a new look. I can tell you that Rice has probably gone through more logos than just about any 100-year-old sports program in the NCAA. I really don't know if it's fair to say getting rid of the Old English "R" is turning our thumb on tradition.
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In my opinion, the re-brand has been a complete flop and throwing away the Old English R makes absolutely zero sense.

As far as an explanation goes, I wonder if the new staff feels threatened by the program's past successes and views the R as remnant of a bygone era. That era is the reason Rice is even a speck on the map and now we are doing our best to erase it from memory.

I hope I am not the only Owl extremely disappointed to hear this.
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(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)RiceOwl Wrote:  In my opinion, the re-brand has been a complete flop and throwing away the Old English R makes absolutely zero sense.

As far as an explanation goes, I wonder if the new staff feels threatened by the program's past successes and views the R as remnant of a bygone era. That era is the reason Rice is even a speck on the map and now we are doing our best to erase it from memory.

I hope I am not the only Owl extremely disappointed to hear this.

Feels threatened by the program's past success? Lol.

I could see them wanting to establish themselves independent of that success, but lol at the idea that they would be threatened by it. I don't know Bragga well yet, but I can't imagine he would have made it past a first round if he somehow felt threatened by high expectations.
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Truly awful decision. Par for the course for Dr. K's regime
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disappointing if true, brands should be recognizable, it is or was.
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I’ll wait until there is evidence from someone with more than 5 posts.
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I do not like this rumor. I need to go buy a couple of hats to wear until they bring the R back.
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I could be wrong... But this doesn’t seem like a Bragga decision to me... He has emphasized history and high expectations in all of his media appearances. Seems like this is coming from above him.

If true, one more negative to the Karlgaard regime.
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(02-04-2019 02:48 PM)THRILL Wrote:  disappointing if true, brands should be recognizable, it is or was.

Totally agree.
I didn’t mind some of the new artwork introduced a while back.
But the OER is, in my view, now synonymous with Rice.
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(02-04-2019 02:48 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  I’ll wait until there is evidence from someone with more than 5 posts.

Oh you can count
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(02-04-2019 02:52 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I could be wrong... But this doesn’t seem like a Bragga decision to me... He has emphasized history and high expectations in all of his media appearances. Seems like this is coming from above him.

If true, one more negative to the Karlgaard regime.

That is what I was thinking. I haven't been a fan of the updated owl either. Not to sure what they would put on the hat now...perhaps....and R in courier new?
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(02-04-2019 02:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)RiceOwl Wrote:  In my opinion, the re-brand has been a complete flop and throwing away the Old English R makes absolutely zero sense.

As far as an explanation goes, I wonder if the new staff feels threatened by the program's past successes and views the R as remnant of a bygone era. That era is the reason Rice is even a speck on the map and now we are doing our best to erase it from memory.

I hope I am not the only Owl extremely disappointed to hear this.

Feels threatened by the program's past success? Lol.

I could see them wanting to establish themselves independent of that success, but lol at the idea that they would be threatened by it. I don't know Bragga well yet, but I can't imagine he would have made it past a first round if he somehow felt threatened by high expectations.

The goal of establishing themselves as independent of previous success tells me they are intimidated by the program's history and expectations, thus the out with the old and in with the new mentality. This goes for both the Athletic Department and Baseball staff.

RiceLad15 - I am not going to debate you on the issue, as I have seen your comments on the political threads.

Would love to hear how the former players on the staff feel about it, as well as former players in general.
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(02-04-2019 02:26 PM)Throwing Chade Wrote:  I have just been informed that we are getting rid of the classic old English R that people associate with Rice.

Informed by who?

It is definitely on the baseball web page:
https://riceowls.com/index.aspx?path=baseball
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(02-04-2019 02:49 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I do not like this rumor. I need to go buy a couple of hats to wear until they bring the R back.

That's it! A plot to goose apparel sales! Follett, Adidas... come out from behind the curtain.

I'm with CR11. Will wait until a credible source says something before I stock the bunker with OER merch.
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(02-04-2019 02:58 PM)Throwing Chade Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 02:52 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I could be wrong... But this doesn’t seem like a Bragga decision to me... He has emphasized history and high expectations in all of his media appearances. Seems like this is coming from above him.

If true, one more negative to the Karlgaard regime.

That is what I was thinking. I haven't been a fan of the updated owl either. Not to sure what they would put on the hat now...perhaps....and R in courier new?

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(02-04-2019 03:04 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 02:49 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I do not like this rumor. I need to go buy a couple of hats to wear until they bring the R back.

That's it! A plot to goose apparel sales! Follett, Adidas... come out from behind the curtain.

I'm with CR11. Will wait until a credible source says something before I stock the bunker with OER merch.

A current player told me.
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The Athletic Department probably needs to boost sales in general - this strikes me as a way to hinder them instead.

Call me attached, old fashioned, whatever, I really have nothing good to say about getting rid of the logo that has been synonymous with Rice's success for 2+ decades.
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Totally unsurprising if true. And if it turns out that this has not been decided yet, I expect it to happen eventually anyway.

The OER never fit in visually with Karlgaard’s rebrand. The new graphics and their rollout gave the impression that they were designed with no intention to coexist with it, and after the designers finished their work, somebody decided to retain the OER too.

So now, nobody’s even sure what our primary logo is. Is it the OER, or the chicken head? Put another way, is it the thing that Wayne Graham did, or is it the thing Joe Karlgaard did? As soon as somebody noticed this problem, the decision was obvious.

As FBO noted, the one consistent aspect of Rice Athletics branding over the years has been a lack of consistency. In that context, we were lucky the OER was as widespread and long-lived as it was.

And if you don’t like the Karlgaard look, don’t worry. He’ll be gone in a few years and then the next AD will hire some other outside firm to give us a new flavor of the week.

ETA: no innuendo intended with “chicken head.” When I wrote this I was unaware that term had an alternate meaning.
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(02-04-2019 03:01 PM)RiceOwl Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 02:41 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 02:38 PM)RiceOwl Wrote:  In my opinion, the re-brand has been a complete flop and throwing away the Old English R makes absolutely zero sense.

As far as an explanation goes, I wonder if the new staff feels threatened by the program's past successes and views the R as remnant of a bygone era. That era is the reason Rice is even a speck on the map and now we are doing our best to erase it from memory.

I hope I am not the only Owl extremely disappointed to hear this.

Feels threatened by the program's past success? Lol.

I could see them wanting to establish themselves independent of that success, but lol at the idea that they would be threatened by it. I don't know Bragga well yet, but I can't imagine he would have made it past a first round if he somehow felt threatened by high expectations.

The goal of establishing themselves as independent of previous success tells me they are intimidated by the program's history and expectations, thus the out with the old and in with the new mentality. This goes for both the Athletic Department and Baseball staff.

RiceLad15 - I am not going to debate you on the issue, as I have seen your comments on the political threads.

Would love to hear how the former players on the staff feel about it, as well as former players in general.

Not sure how political views fall into this one?

But hey, everyone is entitled to opinions. Even when they're wrong.
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