(02-04-2019 02:26 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  As noted, we took a LOT of heat for bringing in Eustachy, but the difference is that Eustachy's hire was a few years after his scandal.

To consider bringing in Briles this soon after that nightmare... I don't know if PR can even keep up with that.

Larry was hired as a HC to run a college basketball program...Art would be hired as a coordinator who reports directly to Jay Hopson (who reports to the AD)

the HC and AD would would be in charge of the football program...not Briles. That's the big difference to me.

One thing you know is guaranteed is that briles will teach the players how to properly deal with women.

No one gives two sharts about USM in the grand scheme of things anyway. Who cares!!?? He's eventually going to get hired again in FBS football. Might as well start w/ us. Hire the damn man. Besides, isn't there something in the good book about casting stones and forgiving and what not?

(02-04-2019 02:43 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:26 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  As noted, we took a LOT of heat for bringing in Eustachy, but the difference is that Eustachy's hire was a few years after his scandal.

To consider bringing in Briles this soon after that nightmare... I don't know if PR can even keep up with that.

The difference is also that Eustachy had a drinking problem and partied with some co-eds. He never covered up assaults and rapes. Outside of close relationships and himself, Eustachy didn't hurt anyone.

I'm pretty amoral when it comes to college athletics. It is a sleazy game and not surprisingly, a world in which sleazy people tend to thrive. Things like affairs, drinking, drug use, violating NCAA rules, hypocrisy, etc.--if they aren't causing direct harm to others, I couldn't care less if a coach is doing that. I think being a terrible person is almost a requisite for being a successful D1 football coach.

Hiring Art Briles crosses a line for me.

I'm not arguing with you on this one Jxn... I mean there are certain lines you don't cross, and I'm trying to determine if this is one of them.

I get giving players/coaches a second chance (we've done it a lot), but this just seems to go too far.

I'm not sold on Hop as a great football coach. I think he is a much better MAN than COACH. I trust Hop in this situation. He and Briles know the microscope that they would be under.

(02-04-2019 02:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Really comes down to one question. Can the S Miss administration deal with the heat? On the field--its an unquestionable home run hire. Its the PR side of the equation that will be the problem.

We are coming off an off-season in which our starter at QB ended up having to win a case in federal court over two year old uncorroborated sexual assault allegations in which the young women eventually admitted to lying about it. The university would not let him anywhere near her or near the football program until their investigation was over, and the federal court eventually ruled the university had violated due process in not allowing him to cross examine his accuser.

If Art Briles gets hired here, his leash will be very, very, very short.

I’d rather be a touchdown per game worse on offense next year myself.

(02-04-2019 04:22 PM)TTT Wrote:  No one gives two sharts about USM in the grand scheme of things anyway. Who cares!!?? He's eventually going to get hired again in FBS football. Might as well start w/ us. Hire the damn man. Besides, isn't there something in the good book about casting stones and forgiving and what not?

That was pretty obvious when we changed our logo back in the early 2000's. Iowa had no idea about it until we hired Larry Eustachy (irony in the situation sort of as his name has been brought up as second chances). If I remember correctly it wasn't long after we hired him that the logo issue came to fruition with Iowa

(02-04-2019 04:52 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 02:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Really comes down to one question. Can the S Miss administration deal with the heat? On the field--its an unquestionable home run hire. Its the PR side of the equation that will be the problem.

We are coming off an off-season in which our starter at QB ended up having to win a case in federal court over two year old uncorroborated sexual assault allegations in which the young women eventually admitted to lying about it. The university would not let him anywhere near her or near the football program until their investigation was over, and the federal court eventually ruled the university had violated due process in not allowing him to cross examine his accuser.

If Art Briles gets hired here, his leash will be very, very, very short.

I’d rather be a touchdown per game worse on offense next year myself.

I understand what your saying. That said---I think its just a matter of time before someone hires him. In this case---your not making him your head coach---so its not like he is ultimately in charge of the culture or discipline on the team. That would remain in the current head coaches hands---so it should not be any different than before. With Hop in charge, the kind of players taken, the way they are expected to comport themselves, and the action taken if they do not---would all remain as they currently are. The only difference should be a really fun offense to watch.

Im not a usm fan but some of y’all are overreacting. Football is a dirty business and you can either accept you have to get your hands dirty in order to improve or be ok with a clean program and never go anywhere.


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I say give the man another chance despite what many who have absolutely no clue about the situation say. If he has passed our administration’s grilling, go gettem

(02-04-2019 07:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Im not a usm fan but some of y’all are overreacting. Football is a dirty business and you can either accept you have to get your hands dirty in order to improve or be ok with a clean program and never go anywhere.


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That's false. You don't have to be dirty to improve your program. Now of course you can cheat and improve quicker but eventually you'll pay a price for it, especially if you're a program not named North Carolina.

(02-04-2019 07:31 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 07:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Im not a usm fan but some of y’all are overreacting. Football is a dirty business and you can either accept you have to get your hands dirty in order to improve or be ok with a clean program and never go anywhere.


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That's false. You don't have to be dirty to improve your program. Now of course you can cheat and improve quicker but eventually you'll pay a price for it, especially if you're a program not named North Carolina.

Not true every current P5 program got dirty in some way to get where they are. Getting dirty doesn’t mean cheating either necessarily, It just means doing whatever it takes to win and saying screw the perception.


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(02-04-2019 07:12 PM)SouthernMissSNu Wrote:  We need a good offensive mind and someone who can spark our lackluster offense. But, this ain’t it, chief.

Like it or not Briles will always have that asterisk by his name. He will forever be linked to Baylor. He was the coach and oversaw the culture and his coaches and players. Regardless if he actively participated in the coverups and non-reporting, those under his responsibility did. And if he is innocent, let the investigation exonerate him. Then give him a call, but until then, Morally, I cannot get behind hiring him right now.

If he is hired, my wife and I will be directing the money we would have spent on Season tickets and Eagle Club to the USM Foundation until he’s off of the staff or exonerated.

If so, good riddance. Just don't you dare jump on the bandwagon when we start winning big...you can stay your arse at home.

If Bobby Petrino was our HC, I'd be very concerned with this hire. Hopson is about as good a man as they come (not so good HC though). I'm sure he would keep a very close eye on Briles.

Like it or not, this is where college football is at now. No matter the dirt, you can still get a job if you can increase the win column. If USM doesn't hire him, he'll be an OC at another school in 2-3 years. I'm not opposed to the hire.

I trust Jay and Dr Bennett. If he passes their tests, I’m ok with it.

(02-04-2019 07:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Im not a usm fan but some of y’all are overreacting. Football is a dirty business and you can either accept you have to get your hands dirty in order to improve or be ok with a clean program and never go anywhere.


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No. The fact that you are equating what happened at Baylor with your standard "football is a dirty business" type ordeal shows that you have a seriously warped perspective.

This wasn't the same thing as paying players or having tutors take tests.

And I thought I was blatantly amoral about college athletics.

Sexual assault attorneys will have a hayday with any NCAA program that hires Art Briles. I'm amazed that USM would even consider this. He is a lawsuit magnet for coeds who love partying with football players.

Guilty til proven innocent...gotcha

(02-04-2019 07:28 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  I say give the man another chance despite what many who have absolutely no clue about the situation say. If he has passed our administration’s grilling, go gettem

I would think you don't let word out that he's interviewing unless you're bringing him on-campus to make him an official offer...JMHO

(02-04-2019 09:28 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 07:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Im not a usm fan but some of y’all are overreacting. Football is a dirty business and you can either accept you have to get your hands dirty in order to improve or be ok with a clean program and never go anywhere.


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No. The fact that you are equating what happened at Baylor with your standard "football is a dirty business" type ordeal shows that you have a seriously warped perspective.

This wasn't the same thing as paying players or having tutors take tests.

And I thought I was blatantly amoral about college athletics.

Last i checked briles didn’t rape any women, he just didn’t cut players that committed a crime. The nfl literally does the same thing every day so you can’t not have a problem with the nfl and then have a problem with this.


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