(11-05-2019 08:49 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Well, I guess if Candle ends up no longer being a "great recruiter", and we get a couple years of middle-of-the-road recruiting classes in the MAC, it will certainly put more pressure on him to get results in the final years of his contract.

Got two signing days, including Jucos and Transfer Portal. Still wide open.

(11-05-2019 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 06:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 08:45 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if the ability to make money
while with a program is already starting to become
a factor. Just thank the NCAA.

MAC level kids arent going to be making money off this, and the schools themselves wont be paying a dime and the policies womt be going into effect until at least these kid's 4th years...sorry to dump on your dumbsday theory. This is 100% because we've looked like a pile of excrement over the past month.

Certainly it could be a factor thrown in by a recruiter.
If you like I might be able to get a former UC Assistant I know to talk about the dirty game of recruiting. As you said MAC players aren't going to be making the money which would be just one of the points I would make if I were a P5 assistant trying to get a top level MAC prospect to decommit. I would inject as much doubt as possible while selling the positive aspects of my program and of course looking out for the recruits best interest. At the very least I leave getting the guy/parents to decommit to take his time making the decision since it's going impact the rest of his life.

I'm more than well acquainted with the UC football staff from 2007 through 2017, so I don't think I need a meet cute :lmfao:

Honestly, any player who has a chance to go to a Top 100 University on a free ride should do it over what we offer at the moment, regardless of other circumstances. I'm not upset with the kid at all for making the right choice even if it means he's not coming here. The recruiter who can't get a kid selling a higher quality institution, better opponent, better conference, significantly more exposure, and higher paying/higher likelihood of end result employment in or out of the sport is a bad recruiter if he has to amount to a $500 check he might get from Jimbo's Car Wash for being on a commercial on Public Access TV. That's all I'm saying...also, no GOOD coach is oing to waste his money flipping an average recruit from a MAC school, he'll be using it to pull the high 4*/5* kids. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't met of known anyone who has actually had an offer like that handed to them.

Known some top MAC recruits over the years that
ended up at bigger schools where their top recruits
fell through and they were used to fill the class.
Not the best fit. To me the academics are more of an
issue at the graduate level. What Law, Med, MBA, Grad Engineering,etc.are they from? Bottom line, your education is up to you . Again I was at Vandy,
and UT's top students would do fine there.

(11-05-2019 10:01 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 06:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 08:45 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if the ability to make money
while with a program is already starting to become
a factor. Just thank the NCAA.

MAC level kids arent going to be making money off this, and the schools themselves wont be paying a dime and the policies womt be going into effect until at least these kid's 4th years...sorry to dump on your dumbsday theory. This is 100% because we've looked like a pile of excrement over the past month.

Certainly it could be a factor thrown in by a recruiter.
If you like I might be able to get a former UC Assistant I know to talk about the dirty game of recruiting. As you said MAC players aren't going to be making the money which would be just one of the points I would make if I were a P5 assistant trying to get a top level MAC prospect to decommit. I would inject as much doubt as possible while selling the positive aspects of my program and of course looking out for the recruits best interest. At the very least I leave getting the guy/parents to decommit to take his time making the decision since it's going impact the rest of his life.

I'm more than well acquainted with the UC football staff from 2007 through 2017, so I don't think I need a meet cute

Honestly, any player who has a chance to go to a Top 100 University on a free ride should do it over what we offer at the moment, regardless of other circumstances. I'm not upset with the kid at all for making the right choice even if it means he's not coming here. The recruiter who can't get a kid selling a higher quality institution, better opponent, better conference, significantly more exposure, and higher paying/higher likelihood of end result employment in or out of the sport is a bad recruiter if he has to amount to a $500 check he might get from Jimbo's Car Wash for being on a commercial on Public Access TV. That's all I'm saying...also, no GOOD coach is oing to waste his money flipping an average recruit from a MAC school, he'll be using it to pull the high 4*/5* kids. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't met of known anyone who has actually had an offer like that handed to them.

Known some top MAC recruits over the years that
ended up at bigger schools where their top recruits
fell through and they were used to fill the class.
Not the best fit. To me the academics are more of an
issue at the graduate level. What Law, Med, MBA, Grad Engineering,etc.are they from? Bottom line, your education is up to you . Again I was at Vandy,
and UT's top students would do fine there.

Oh I agree with all of that...the issue isn't if students would do fine at another school, it's what employers see when they look at the resume. I would say a degree from Vanderbilt probably holds quite a bit more clout that one from a MAC school in most hiring situations, and were my kid to have the choice between them, I know which way I'd hope he/she would choose.

(11-05-2019 10:03 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:01 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 06:58 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  MAC level kids arent going to be making money off this, and the schools themselves wont be paying a dime and the policies womt be going into effect until at least these kid's 4th years...sorry to dump on your dumbsday theory. This is 100% because we've looked like a pile of excrement over the past month.

Certainly it could be a factor thrown in by a recruiter.
If you like I might be able to get a former UC Assistant I know to talk about the dirty game of recruiting. As you said MAC players aren't going to be making the money which would be just one of the points I would make if I were a P5 assistant trying to get a top level MAC prospect to decommit. I would inject as much doubt as possible while selling the positive aspects of my program and of course looking out for the recruits best interest. At the very least I leave getting the guy/parents to decommit to take his time making the decision since it's going impact the rest of his life.

I'm more than well acquainted with the UC football staff from 2007 through 2017, so I don't think I need a meet cute

Honestly, any player who has a chance to go to a Top 100 University on a free ride should do it over what we offer at the moment, regardless of other circumstances. I'm not upset with the kid at all for making the right choice even if it means he's not coming here. The recruiter who can't get a kid selling a higher quality institution, better opponent, better conference, significantly more exposure, and higher paying/higher likelihood of end result employment in or out of the sport is a bad recruiter if he has to amount to a $500 check he might get from Jimbo's Car Wash for being on a commercial on Public Access TV. That's all I'm saying...also, no GOOD coach is oing to waste his money flipping an average recruit from a MAC school, he'll be using it to pull the high 4*/5* kids. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't met of known anyone who has actually had an offer like that handed to them.

Known some top MAC recruits over the years that
ended up at bigger schools where their top recruits
fell through and they were used to fill the class.
Not the best fit. To me the academics are more of an
issue at the graduate level. What Law, Med, MBA, Grad Engineering,etc.are they from? Bottom line, your education is up to you . Again I was at Vandy,
and UT's top students would do fine there.

Oh I agree with all of that...the issue isn't if students would do fine at another school, it's what employers see when they look at the resume. I would say a degree from Vanderbilt probably holds quite a bit more clout that one from a MAC school in most hiring situations, and were my kid to have the choice between them, I know which way I'd hope he/she would choose.

You're seeing a number of Ottawa Hill's kids
choosing UT over the Ivy League or schools like Denison, Kenyon, etc.

(11-05-2019 10:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:03 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:01 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:23 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Certainly it could be a factor thrown in by a recruiter.
If you like I might be able to get a former UC Assistant I know to talk about the dirty game of recruiting. As you said MAC players aren't going to be making the money which would be just one of the points I would make if I were a P5 assistant trying to get a top level MAC prospect to decommit. I would inject as much doubt as possible while selling the positive aspects of my program and of course looking out for the recruits best interest. At the very least I leave getting the guy/parents to decommit to take his time making the decision since it's going impact the rest of his life.

I'm more than well acquainted with the UC football staff from 2007 through 2017, so I don't think I need a meet cute

Honestly, any player who has a chance to go to a Top 100 University on a free ride should do it over what we offer at the moment, regardless of other circumstances. I'm not upset with the kid at all for making the right choice even if it means he's not coming here. The recruiter who can't get a kid selling a higher quality institution, better opponent, better conference, significantly more exposure, and higher paying/higher likelihood of end result employment in or out of the sport is a bad recruiter if he has to amount to a $500 check he might get from Jimbo's Car Wash for being on a commercial on Public Access TV. That's all I'm saying...also, no GOOD coach is oing to waste his money flipping an average recruit from a MAC school, he'll be using it to pull the high 4*/5* kids. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't met of known anyone who has actually had an offer like that handed to them.

Known some top MAC recruits over the years that
ended up at bigger schools where their top recruits
fell through and they were used to fill the class.
Not the best fit. To me the academics are more of an
issue at the graduate level. What Law, Med, MBA, Grad Engineering,etc.are they from? Bottom line, your education is up to you . Again I was at Vandy,
and UT's top students would do fine there.

Oh I agree with all of that...the issue isn't if students would do fine at another school, it's what employers see when they look at the resume. I would say a degree from Vanderbilt probably holds quite a bit more clout that one from a MAC school in most hiring situations, and were my kid to have the choice between them, I know which way I'd hope he/she would choose.

You're seeing a number of Ottawa Hill's kids
choosing UT over the Ivy League or schools like Denison, Kenyon, etc.

Not that big of a number...only 8 OH kids came to UT last year, and 6 the year before. Not sure where they were looking, but everyone is welcome . Those kids are also not athletes with full scholarships to either one of those choices, that's all I'm saying. Their decision was likely financially driven (as not all OH residents are multi-millionaires despite what some seem to think around here), and UT is one of the best values in the business IMO.

(11-05-2019 01:59 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:03 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:01 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I'm more than well acquainted with the UC football staff from 2007 through 2017, so I don't think I need a meet cute

Honestly, any player who has a chance to go to a Top 100 University on a free ride should do it over what we offer at the moment, regardless of other circumstances. I'm not upset with the kid at all for making the right choice even if it means he's not coming here. The recruiter who can't get a kid selling a higher quality institution, better opponent, better conference, significantly more exposure, and higher paying/higher likelihood of end result employment in or out of the sport is a bad recruiter if he has to amount to a $500 check he might get from Jimbo's Car Wash for being on a commercial on Public Access TV. That's all I'm saying...also, no GOOD coach is oing to waste his money flipping an average recruit from a MAC school, he'll be using it to pull the high 4*/5* kids. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't met of known anyone who has actually had an offer like that handed to them.

Known some top MAC recruits over the years that
ended up at bigger schools where their top recruits
fell through and they were used to fill the class.
Not the best fit. To me the academics are more of an
issue at the graduate level. What Law, Med, MBA, Grad Engineering,etc.are they from? Bottom line, your education is up to you . Again I was at Vandy,
and UT's top students would do fine there.

Oh I agree with all of that...the issue isn't if students would do fine at another school, it's what employers see when they look at the resume. I would say a degree from Vanderbilt probably holds quite a bit more clout that one from a MAC school in most hiring situations, and were my kid to have the choice between them, I know which way I'd hope he/she would choose.

You're seeing a number of Ottawa Hill's kids
choosing UT over the Ivy League or schools like Denison, Kenyon, etc.

Not that big of a number...only 8 OH kids came to UT last year, and 6 the year before. Not sure where they were looking, but everyone is welcome . Those kids are also not athletes with full scholarships to either one of those choices, that's all I'm saying. Their decision was likely financially driven (as not all OH residents are multi-millionaires despite what some seem to think around here), and UT is one of the best values in the business IMO.

About 70-75 kids in graduating class. US News had
them rated #136 out of 17,200+ HS. #1 in Math and Reading proficiency. Back in the day, classes were 90-135. UT would get maybe 2 or 3. I would guess,
that financial decision not so much need driven, but
recognizing the value of a UT education.

(11-05-2019 02:30 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  About 70-75 kids in graduating class. US News had
them rated #136 out of 17,200+ HS. #1 in Math and Reading proficiency. Back in the day, classes were 90-135. UT would get maybe 2 or 3. I would guess,
that financial decision not so much need driven, but
recognizing the value of a UT education.

Even someone making 6 figures can fell a little needy staring an IVY or Private College bill in the face. I wouldn't call UT a "bargain, by any measure. I wouldn't call it atypical either. But the elite in the building is a relatively small pond so like football, that can attract someone. If a "lesser" school can get you to your goals quicker and provide opportunity you wouldn't get in the large pond of brains, some are going to bite.

If you can combine access to study and research AND show a record of getting them into grad programs of choice, local is an attractive option. Some choose UT with plans to transfer as soon as other stars get aligned. That's opportunity for the University, to see if they can hold onto them.

Williamson flipped to Youngstown State? What the heck. Did UT back off maybe?

Were blankumsee and Robinson offered a P5 scholarship or did it have to do with the season? I could see a wr decommitting, considering this year's passing game.

Toledo has offered junior Central Catholic WR Tae'Shaun Johnson (5'11"/185). Kid can make multiple players miss on any given play. Very explosive.

Could use a couple of 6'4"-6'5" WRs too.

(11-06-2019 10:52 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Could use a couple of 6'4"-6'5" WRs too.

The SJJ WR UT recently offered is 6'4".

I'd love to sign as many locals as possible.

(11-06-2019 10:26 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Toledo has offered junior Central Catholic WR Tae'Shaun Johnson (5'11"/185). Kid can make multiple players miss on any given play. Very explosive.

Yep! Definitely can use this guy.

(11-06-2019 10:26 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Toledo has offered junior Central Catholic WR Tae'Shaun Johnson (5'11"/185). Kid can make multiple players miss on any given play. Very explosive.

Best potential on the CCHS roster by a longshot...kid would be a very good get. Has a lot of Reedy in him honestly.

Just looking at our 2020 class. Even with all of the decommits we’ve had we are sitting at number 5 with wmu leading the Mac and they are at 62 overall. But if you look at the over average. Toledo is at the top with an 82.93. That is slightly higher than wmu. I just hope do not lose anymore recruits.
And if we do have a coaching change I hope it happens after the early signing day.

Lost another.
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/ohio-ol-...to-indiana

(11-25-2019 04:51 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Lost another.
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/ohio-ol-...to-indiana

We haven't had a commit since the beginning of August.

(11-25-2019 04:51 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Lost another.
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/ohio-ol-...to-indiana

In a free fall. And it’s another O Line recruit. Maybe we should just throw in the towel???? If Candle wants to save this class he probably should do something drastic. I don’t know maybe fire everyone and start from scratch

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(11-25-2019 04:51 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Lost another.
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/ohio-ol-...to-indiana

Yeah right, just three weeks ago IU decided they wanted to swoop in on one of our verbals... The young man all of a sudden has this newfound 3 week relationship with the HC... - OK, you win some you lose some...
Makes me wish Michigan would have pounded the Hoosiers harder last Saturday...

The Rockets have certainly given other programs more than ample ammunition to come in and poach recruits. Probably won’t be the last before all things are said and done.

I still can’t believe how awful this team has become. Candle needs to start earning his generous salary.