https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter...60771.html

Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

(02-03-2019 12:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

I wanted to not believe this, but reading the article convinced me that the Mary Poppins book uses blackface as humor. * edit - after reading some posts below, I no longer am convinced by the article *

The movie? Not so much.

And anyways, using blackface was racist in the 1920s. But everyone who remembers seeing vaudeville acts has one foot in the grave. Today, blackface isn't racist and it shouldn't raise a bigger stir than Dave Chappelle or Eddie Murphy doing whiteface.

For evidence that blackface isn't racist today, just look at who is "caught" doing blackface these days. Hint: it's not Klan members or white nationalists.

Well Dick Van Dyke was a chimney sweep. He didn't need to "try" to get black. He just did his job.

As for the Hottentot stuff, this guy was a British officer who had obviously served in South Africa. And maybe was a victim of CTE!

Of course it is.

(02-03-2019 12:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

The soot faced actors in Mary Poppins were actually pushing a social justice issue from closer to the turn of the century. Who was Mary Poppins supposed to be? A nanny for the upper middle class Brits. Who were chimney sweeps? Certainly not Dick Van Dyke sized guys. They were children from the lower class who were dropped down the chimney openings with a broom and dust pan and were lowered foot by foot as they cleaned out soot. Most of them died of lung disease before they reached adulthood.

So the chimney sweep scenes in Mary Poppins the Disney movie were 1960's style social cleansing of the book in order to make what was a horror actually family friendly.

The fact that anyone would take a book about British culture and try to make a race case out of it is the height of ignorance and if an academic claimed any of this his/her asz ought to be run out of teaching for good because they are too stupid to be trusted teaching anyone's kids.

I'm a bit appalled at some of the ignorance over this historical/cultural cruel practice represented in the posts of this thread.

Black face???? Try black lung!

By the way the Author of Mary Poppins was an Australian woman named Travers.

(02-03-2019 06:22 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  You MAGA folks need to stop. The ENTIRE world disagrees with you. I’m vacationing in Sweden and have to defend you guys. Please stop. No form of government has ever been successful with your conservative model. Stop.

I think you are on the wrong topic.

Or do you have the same response to all topics?

(02-03-2019 06:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 06:22 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  You MAGA folks need to stop. The ENTIRE world disagrees with you. I’m vacationing in Sweden and have to defend you guys. Please stop. No form of government has ever been successful with your conservative model. Stop.

I think you are on the wrong topic.

Or do you have the same response to all topics?

Bullet, a "gender studies professor from a small college in Oregon?" Really? Daniel Pelzner- Pollack is a buffoon in a make believe discipline making stuff (crap) up out of thin air. The prejudice, in the Disney movie would be, class prejudice if they weren't poking fun at it. Dustmen were filthy from head to toe as literally they were covered in soot. All one needs to do to investigate this is look up the use of children in labor in the late 1800's in England, particularly as chimney sweeps. It's pretty disgusting and nothing to do with race and everything to do with class.

Travers was writing a magical story that would appeal to children of all classes, and thankfully doing so towards the end of the awful practice. If Mr hyponated gender studying Pelzner wasn't lazy in addition to be dishonest he could never have confused the two, and wouldn't have stooped to the farcical Disney musical to find anything to hang his fictitious theories on.

There's truth in Peter Paul and Mary's song Puff the Magic Dragon being about smoking weed. There's nothing here to support this hack at all.

(02-03-2019 04:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 12:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

The soot faced actors in Mary Poppins were actually pushing a social justice issue from closer to the turn of the century. Who was Mary Poppins supposed to be? A nanny for the upper middle class Brits. Who were chimney sweeps? Certainly not Dick Van Dyke sized guys. They were children from the lower class who were dropped down the chimney openings with a broom and dust pan and were lowered foot by foot as they cleaned out soot. Most of them died of lung disease before they reached adulthood.

So the chimney sweep scenes in Mary Poppins the Disney movie were 1960's style social cleansing of the book in order to make what was a horror actually family friendly.

The fact that anyone would take a book about British culture and try to make a race case out of it is the height of ignorance and if an academic claimed any of this his/her asz ought to be run out of teaching for good because they are too stupid to be trusted teaching anyone's kids.

I'm a bit appalled at some of the ignorance over this historical/cultural cruel practice represented in the posts of this thread.

Black face???? Try black lung!

By the way the Author of Mary Poppins was an Australian woman named Travers.

That's what s so absurd about someone seeing racism in the black faces in Mary Poppins. They had black faces because they were covered in soot from sweeping chimneys. It was a dirty dangerous thankless lower class job. It has zero to do with racism if anything it was drawing attention to the plight of the lower classes in Victorian England.

(02-03-2019 04:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 12:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

The soot faced actors in Mary Poppins were actually pushing a social justice issue from closer to the turn of the century. Who was Mary Poppins supposed to be? A nanny for the upper middle class Brits. Who were chimney sweeps? Certainly not Dick Van Dyke sized guys. They were children from the lower class who were dropped down the chimney openings with a broom and dust pan and were lowered foot by foot as they cleaned out soot. Most of them died of lung disease before they reached adulthood.

So the chimney sweep scenes in Mary Poppins the Disney movie were 1960's style social cleansing of the book in order to make what was a horror actually family friendly.

The fact that anyone would take a book about British culture and try to make a race case out of it is the height of ignorance and if an academic claimed any of this his/her asz ought to be run out of teaching for good because they are too stupid to be trusted teaching anyone's kids.

I'm a bit appalled at some of the ignorance over this historical/cultural cruel practice represented in the posts of this thread.

Black face???? Try black lung!

By the way the Author of Mary Poppins was an Australian woman named Travers.

Good point. Although I'm sure this "academic" would still say it's racist to make any reference to skin color. And also racist to exclude skin color from the analysis. There's really no way to avoid losing any more with some of these people.

Side story: Your post remindes me of my grandpa. He was born in 1923 to a poor single mother (his Dad was a traveling carnival worker from Quebec). When he was a senior in high school (at 15 years old because he was a genius) he would help his stepdad tend to coal boilers that heated apartment buildings in Massachusetts. He would cough up "voluminous globs of coal dust" (his words) even on his days off.

It's amazing the difference between "poverty" of today and the real actual crushing poverty of the 1930s.

(02-03-2019 08:22 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 04:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 12:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

The soot faced actors in Mary Poppins were actually pushing a social justice issue from closer to the turn of the century. Who was Mary Poppins supposed to be? A nanny for the upper middle class Brits. Who were chimney sweeps? Certainly not Dick Van Dyke sized guys. They were children from the lower class who were dropped down the chimney openings with a broom and dust pan and were lowered foot by foot as they cleaned out soot. Most of them died of lung disease before they reached adulthood.

So the chimney sweep scenes in Mary Poppins the Disney movie were 1960's style social cleansing of the book in order to make what was a horror actually family friendly.

The fact that anyone would take a book about British culture and try to make a race case out of it is the height of ignorance and if an academic claimed any of this his/her asz ought to be run out of teaching for good because they are too stupid to be trusted teaching anyone's kids.

I'm a bit appalled at some of the ignorance over this historical/cultural cruel practice represented in the posts of this thread.

Black face???? Try black lung!

By the way the Author of Mary Poppins was an Australian woman named Travers.

That's what s so absurd about someone seeing racism in the black faces in Mary Poppins. They had black faces because they were covered in soot from sweeping chimneys. It was a dirty dangerous thankless lower class job. It has zero to do with racism if anything it was drawing attention to the plight of the lower classes in Victorian England.

Chim chim chereeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Lol


Dummies

(02-03-2019 12:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

Hunh.

Is this a rhetorical question?

One would hope the answer to nancy-pants concern here is simple.

When they do the remake of Dumbo, please spare the innocent youthful elephant the obvious embarrassment.

Give this "professor" of some nonsensical, tuition gobbling garbage, the honor of big floppy ears, the ability to fly and just call Dumbo, Dumbo.

He'd fit the bill bloody brilliantly!

(02-03-2019 10:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 04:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 12:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Wow! Have all the reasonable topics been written about? Or are there just a lot of morons in academia?

The soot faced actors in Mary Poppins were actually pushing a social justice issue from closer to the turn of the century. Who was Mary Poppins supposed to be? A nanny for the upper middle class Brits. Who were chimney sweeps? Certainly not Dick Van Dyke sized guys. They were children from the lower class who were dropped down the chimney openings with a broom and dust pan and were lowered foot by foot as they cleaned out soot. Most of them died of lung disease before they reached adulthood.

So the chimney sweep scenes in Mary Poppins the Disney movie were 1960's style social cleansing of the book in order to make what was a horror actually family friendly.

The fact that anyone would take a book about British culture and try to make a race case out of it is the height of ignorance and if an academic claimed any of this his/her asz ought to be run out of teaching for good because they are too stupid to be trusted teaching anyone's kids.

I'm a bit appalled at some of the ignorance over this historical/cultural cruel practice represented in the posts of this thread.

Black face???? Try black lung!

By the way the Author of Mary Poppins was an Australian woman named Travers.

Good point. Although I'm sure this "academic" would still say it's racist to make any reference to skin color. And also racist to exclude skin color from the analysis. There's really no way to avoid losing any more with some of these people.

Side story: Your post remindes me of my grandpa. He was born in 1923 to a poor single mother (his Dad was a traveling carnival worker from Quebec). When he was a senior in high school (at 15 years old because he was a genius) he would help his stepdad tend to coal boilers that heated apartment buildings in Massachusetts. He would cough up "voluminous globs of coal dust" (his words) even on his days off.

It's amazing the difference between "poverty" of today and the real actual crushing poverty of the 1930s.

I have family in rural WV and eastern Ohio. My grandmother on my mother's side had a coal furnace in her house up until the mid 1980s. I can remember going down in the basement as a kid and helping shovel coal into the furnace. Soot was everywhere and you couldn't get it off of you. Some people back there were what some might refer to as "dirty", but it was just the soot (along with oil from working on cars all the time).