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RE: The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
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(02-03-2019 02:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
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(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.

Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
Poppycock!

Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.
It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t
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The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 09:24 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 02:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 11:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
Poppycock!

Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.
It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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RE: The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 09:24 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 02:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
Poppycock!

Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.
It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back
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The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 09:24 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  Poppycock!

Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.
It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back

Okay. Let’s pretend your advice is taken seriously (it’s not, but let’s pretend)... where are you going to find $900,000?


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Oh. And where are you going to find a high quality coach that meets your standards after they watch their predecessor get the axe 1.5-2 years in after being left with a bare cabinet when they arrived?


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RE: The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:52 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.
It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back

Okay. Let’s pretend your advice is taken seriously (it’s not, but let’s pretend)... where are you going to find $900,000?


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Knowing how contracts work, I think they would settle for less. But your point still stands. But you have to figure out what costs more, buying him out, or the money costs from lack of donations, advertising, ticket sales etc. I’d give him one more year under one condition he shakes up his staff
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The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:52 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back

Okay. Let’s pretend your advice is taken seriously (it’s not, but let’s pretend)... where are you going to find $900,000?


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Knowing how contracts work, I think they will settle for less. But your point still stands. But you have to figure out what costs more, buying him out, or the money costs from lack of donations, advertising, ticket sales etc. I’d give him one more year under one condition he shakes up his staff

Ooooookay. Man c’mon. Everyone knows you don’t place time limit conditional pressures on existing contracts (essentially telling them they’re gonna be fired)! At that point he’d literally just click in and out everyday and not care at all knowing he’s gone regardless because of the lack of quality opportunity. Then when it gets out to other coaches (and that kind of thing would spread like wildfire), we wouldn’t be able to hire a HS girls JV coach for the job.

Lol

Ooookay. I’m done here.


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RE: The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 11:08 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:52 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back

Okay. Let’s pretend your advice is taken seriously (it’s not, but let’s pretend)... where are you going to find $900,000?


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Knowing how contracts work, I think they will settle for less. But your point still stands. But you have to figure out what costs more, buying him out, or the money costs from lack of donations, advertising, ticket sales etc. I’d give him one more year under one condition he shakes up his staff

Ooooookay. Man c’mon. Everyone knows you don’t place time limit conditional pressures on existing contracts (essentially telling them they’re gonna be fired)! At that point he’d literally just click in and out everyday and not care at all knowing he’s gone regardless because of the lack of quality opportunity. Then when it gets out to other coaches (and that kind of thing would spread like wildfire), we wouldn’t be able to hire a HS girls JV coach for the job.

Lol

Ooookay. I’m done here.


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I didn’t mean tell him he has one more year..... obviously that’s not a good idea
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I think a lot of blame falls on the staff and CB. 60 points in 2 recent halves has way more to do coaching than talent in my opinion. I do think Imaje will provide better rim protection than we currently have but he’s no guaratneee to start. He may be too raw. Time will tell. The valpo transfer will help replace Devontae’s muscle down low. I think they still need a juco big.

Either way, we chose to rebuild and we have to give CB at least one more season. Am I very concerned over progress? Yes. We can’t feasibly fire him with 900k left on his contract and it would not look good to new coaching candidates as others mentioned. Like it or not we are riding with CB for a while. I hope a lot longer because that means he turned the corner. My gut doesn’t feel confident about the latter at this point.

In my opinion they need to diversify the staff. Everyone except for Rob is a Tar Heel discliple. Look at Wes Millers staff. Not a single Tar Heel assistant.
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(02-04-2019 07:48 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  I think a lot of blame falls on the staff and CB. 60 points in 2 recent halves has way more to do coaching than talent in my opinion. I do think Imaje will provide better rim protection than we currently have but he’s no guaratneee to start. He may be too raw. Time will tell. The valpo transfer will help replace Devontae’s muscle down low. I think they still need a juco big.

Either way, we chose to rebuild and we’ve just have to give CB at least one more season. Am I very concerned over progress? Yes. We can’t feasibly fire him with 900k left on his contract and it would not look good to new coaching candidates as others mentioned. Like it or not we are riding with CB for a while. I hope a lot longer because that means he turned the corner. My gut doesn’t feel confident about the latter at this point.

In my opinion they need to diversify the staff. Everyone except for Rob is s Tar Heel your discliple. Look at Wes Millers staff. Not a single Tar Heel assistant.

Top assistant who has been there for 7 years is Mike Roberts, played for Bob Knight at Indiana. Enough said. We need someone like him badly.
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RE: The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 09:24 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 02:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 11:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.

Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
Poppycock!

Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.

So, I don’t see where Mullet is wrong here? Others on here (cooler heads it seems) have also said it’s illogical to fire McGrath after this season from both financial and “quality opportunity” perspectives.

Money doesn’t grow on trees at UNCW. This isn’t pro ball. This is mid major basketball. This isn’t a P6 team with donor money overflowing out of the windows.


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Ouch. Shots fired! Nice. I respect your passion. But I've seen no improvement in the team in 2 years and UNCW is last in D1 in defense losing games at home they should win with an 'improved' roster. Last in the CAA at this moment. Lost 3 out of 4 games at home at a critical juncture. Losing in the same manner every week with players having career nights and team's recording season highs in 3pt percentage. Not only losing but 'how' you lose is critical to team confidence and fan support.
A D1 staff is responsible for the product they put on the floor. People are paid accordingly. Incremental improvement buys a team a lot of cache when wins do not materialize. That is the missing ingredient. In addition, I do not see a lot of accountability in post game press conferences regarding the coaching staff but rather it's the 'other team making tough shots' (out of our control) or the players didn't execute. Responsibility is shared.

If money is the major concern then don't hire someone with ZERO HC experience for 200K a year and lock them in for 3 years putting the University in a bind.

Your reasoning seems to be the most illogical here.
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RE: The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 10:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
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(02-03-2019 09:24 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  Poppycock!

Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.
It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back
That is entirely correct. It's also the players who are impacted, stumbling through 4 years, not just the fans.
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(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back

Okay. Let’s pretend your advice is taken seriously (it’s not, but let’s pretend)... where are you going to find $900,000?


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Knowing how contracts work, I think they would settle for less. But your point still stands. But you have to figure out what costs more, buying him out, or the money costs from lack of donations, advertising, ticket sales etc. I’d give him one more year under one condition he shakes up his staff
"Get out of your emotion.." Hmm. Who is emotional here? lol. Not hard to find a coach with experience who could recruit and get his team to play defense under a non-antiquated system that produces results better than #353 in the country. But nice try CG_Hawk06. The suggestion of shaking up the staff is a good one but why is it the support staffs problem if the HC is calling the shots?
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(02-04-2019 07:48 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  I think a lot of blame falls on the staff and CB. 60 points in 2 recent halves has way more to do coaching than talent in my opinion. I do think Imaje will provide better rim protection than we currently have but he’s no guaratneee to start. He may be too raw. Time will tell. The valpo transfer will help replace Devontae’s muscle down low. I think they still need a juco big.

Either way, we chose to rebuild and we have to give CB at least one more season. Am I very concerned over progress? Yes. We can’t feasibly fire him with 900k left on his contract and it would not look good to new coaching candidates as others mentioned. Like it or not we are riding with CB for a while. I hope a lot longer because that means he turned the corner. My gut doesn’t feel confident about the latter at this point.

In my opinion they need to diversify the staff. Everyone except for Rob is a Tar Heel discliple. Look at Wes Millers staff. Not a single Tar Heel assistant.
I agree. We seem to be stuck. Shackled by the UNC system. Hope springs eternal.
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(02-04-2019 08:25 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:34 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.
It doesn’t matter that the halfcourt D was terrible it was more than offset 95% of the time by creating turnovers. I’d love, just LOVE for us to say our D is good at one thing, unfortunately I can’t

I know. I wasn’t saying we weren’t good at that. The point was we pressed well. That’s it. We didn’t actually play good defense. There were plenty of threads where we all complained about it. Especially when we were dancing and the P6 teams shredded us. Mullet factually stated KK’s teams are awful at halfcourt defense. He didn’t say the press wasn’t successful. Get out of your emotion a little bit and read.

Additionally, the MAIN point of my post was that it’s illogical to fire Coach McGrath until at least after year 4.


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I don’t disagree I’m just not sure why that matters here. We are talking about C.B., and I don’t agree that stumbling through 4 years is a good idea. Our donations will go through the floor again and set us way back
That is entirely correct. It's also the players who are impacted, stumbling through 4 years, not just the fans.
For sure
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(02-04-2019 08:21 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  Your reasoning seems to be the most illogical here.

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(02-04-2019 09:19 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 08:21 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  Your reasoning seems to be the most illogical here.

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Trekkie? Then you will recognize this one I suspect: “Change is the essential process of all existence.” Go Hawks!
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(02-04-2019 08:21 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  If money is the major concern then don't hire someone with ZERO HC experience for 200K a year and lock them in for 3 years putting the University in a bind.

Your reasoning seems to be the most illogical here.

Maybe it was a bad call, but its something that cannot be undone. It must be dealt with as is not what should be.

The school is not going to fire a 2nd year head coach after a bad season with 3 guaranteed years on his deal. Especially when season ticket sales will likely go up in order to the UNC at Trask ticket.

I hope CB makes some major changes in the off season in order to fix the atrocity that is our defense. But firing him at this point in the game would be foolish and an emotional decision
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(02-04-2019 09:32 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 08:21 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  If money is the major concern then don't hire someone with ZERO HC experience for 200K a year and lock them in for 3 years putting the University in a bind.

Your reasoning seems to be the most illogical here.

Maybe it was a bad call, but its something that cannot be undone. It must be dealt with as is not what should be.

The school is not going to fire a 2nd year head coach after TWO TERRIBLE SEASONS with 3 guaranteed years on his deal. Especially when season ticket sales will likely go up in order to the UNC at Trask ticket.

I hope CB makes some major changes in the off season in order to fix the atrocity that is our defense. But firing him at this point in the game would be foolish and an emotional decision

Fixed your statement, for the record, the UNC deal was signed, they play if he's here or not
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Let’s try to be more constructive here. If you have a schematic plan, please share it.
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