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RE: The Elephant in room.......
He will get at least another year after this whether you like it or now. I'm willing to give it to him. To each his own I guess.
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(02-02-2019 10:03 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 09:55 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 09:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  UNC is coming to town next year so season ticket sales should be solid. McGrath will get at least two more years

We hold 5200 and sold 4800 tonight. Ya' think selling 400 more tickets is going to make that big of a difference?

Tonight was homecoming.

Even at our lowest homecoming drew.

When season ticket sales and Seahawk club memberships begin to trend downwards, the pressure will be on as it was with Moss and Peterson.

That wont happen next year as you are going to see a lot of people buy season tickets to get access to the UNC game.

Come year 4, I think he may be on the hot seat but I doubt they pull the trigger until year 5, barring an absolute catastrophe
What’s your definition of catastrophe? I’m there

Catastrophe is going to games in the Benny Moss era where you could count thr number of people in attendance and have a conversation with them all. We are not there.

We are having a bad year and we are trending downwards. McGrath still can turn this around, especially with the buzz of having UNC at home next year.

Win some non conf games and put a good showing in versus UNC and honestly people will have already moved on from this season by Christmas.

My frustration with McGrath is that this on him and his staff. There is absolutely ZERO reason for this program to be the worst defense in D1. That is simply mindboggling considering our history. McGrath needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and accept the fact that what he is doing IS NOT WORKING. Call his colleague Wes Miller and learn as he did at UNCG. The UNC system he was raised on DOES NOT WORK at this level. McGrath must adapt. If he is willing to adapt beginning next year, he can turn this around. If not, he will be known as Buzz Peterson 2.0
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RE: The Elephant in room.......
A good showing against UNC......LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL>>>>>>>>>>>LOL>>>>>>>

We just gave up 100+ to....JMU....LOL........
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(02-02-2019 10:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:03 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 09:55 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 09:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  UNC is coming to town next year so season ticket sales should be solid. McGrath will get at least two more years

We hold 5200 and sold 4800 tonight. Ya' think selling 400 more tickets is going to make that big of a difference?

Tonight was homecoming.

Even at our lowest homecoming drew.

When season ticket sales and Seahawk club memberships begin to trend downwards, the pressure will be on as it was with Moss and Peterson.

That wont happen next year as you are going to see a lot of people buy season tickets to get access to the UNC game.

Come year 4, I think he may be on the hot seat but I doubt they pull the trigger until year 5, barring an absolute catastrophe
What’s your definition of catastrophe? I’m there

Catastrophe is going to games in the Benny Moss era where you could count thr number of people in attendance and have a conversation with them all. We are not there.

We are having a bad year and we are trending downwards. McGrath still can turn this around, especially with the buzz of having UNC at home next year.

Win some non conf games and put a good showing in versus UNC and honestly people will have already moved on from this season by Christmas.

My frustration with McGrath is that this on him and his staff. There is absolutely ZERO reason for this program to be the worst defense in D1. That is simply mindboggling considering our history. McGrath needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and accept the fact that what he is doing IS NOT WORKING. Call his colleague Wes Miller and learn as he did at UNCG. The UNC system he was raised on DOES NOT WORK at this level. McGrath must adapt. If he is willing to adapt beginning next year, he can turn this around. If not, he will be known as Buzz Peterson 2.0
All fair points, I guess where I’m at is if he’s not changing now, and we are literally the worst D team in D1, why would he change later. I mean try some new stuff you can literally only go up from here
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(02-02-2019 10:13 PM)82hawk Wrote:  A good showing against UNC......LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL>>>>>>>>>>>LOL>>>>>>>

We just gave up 100+ to....JMU....LOL........

If McGrath is willing to change next year there is no reason this team cannot be competitive in the CAA. Roy isnt going to go for the jugular either against what is fair to say a protege. Also, we played UNC close for a half this year at Chapel Hill. If McGrath can show growth as a coach, that UNC home game could turn out to be his saving grace
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(02-02-2019 10:14 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:03 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 09:55 PM)82hawk Wrote:  We hold 5200 and sold 4800 tonight. Ya' think selling 400 more tickets is going to make that big of a difference?

Tonight was homecoming.

Even at our lowest homecoming drew.

When season ticket sales and Seahawk club memberships begin to trend downwards, the pressure will be on as it was with Moss and Peterson.

That wont happen next year as you are going to see a lot of people buy season tickets to get access to the UNC game.

Come year 4, I think he may be on the hot seat but I doubt they pull the trigger until year 5, barring an absolute catastrophe
What’s your definition of catastrophe? I’m there

Catastrophe is going to games in the Benny Moss era where you could count thr number of people in attendance and have a conversation with them all. We are not there.

We are having a bad year and we are trending downwards. McGrath still can turn this around, especially with the buzz of having UNC at home next year.

Win some non conf games and put a good showing in versus UNC and honestly people will have already moved on from this season by Christmas.

My frustration with McGrath is that this on him and his staff. There is absolutely ZERO reason for this program to be the worst defense in D1. That is simply mindboggling considering our history. McGrath needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and accept the fact that what he is doing IS NOT WORKING. Call his colleague Wes Miller and learn as he did at UNCG. The UNC system he was raised on DOES NOT WORK at this level. McGrath must adapt. If he is willing to adapt beginning next year, he can turn this around. If not, he will be known as Buzz Peterson 2.0
All fair points, I guess where I’m at is if he’s not changing now, and we are literally the worst D team in D1, why would he change later. I mean try some new stuff you can literally only go up from here

UNC Greensboro Spartans (Southern Conference) (2011–present)
2011–12 UNC Greensboro 11–11 10–5 1st (North)
2012–13 UNC Greensboro 9–22 6–12 6th (North)
2013–14 UNC Greensboro 14–18 7–9 6th
2014–15 UNC Greensboro 11–22 6–12 T–7th
2015–16 UNC Greensboro 15–19 10–8 T–5th

It took Wes Miller 5 years and now he is running the type of system we previously had and is having success.

I hope McGrath is a much quicker learner
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(02-02-2019 10:21 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:14 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:03 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Tonight was homecoming.

Even at our lowest homecoming drew.

When season ticket sales and Seahawk club memberships begin to trend downwards, the pressure will be on as it was with Moss and Peterson.

That wont happen next year as you are going to see a lot of people buy season tickets to get access to the UNC game.

Come year 4, I think he may be on the hot seat but I doubt they pull the trigger until year 5, barring an absolute catastrophe
What’s your definition of catastrophe? I’m there

Catastrophe is going to games in the Benny Moss era where you could count thr number of people in attendance and have a conversation with them all. We are not there.

We are having a bad year and we are trending downwards. McGrath still can turn this around, especially with the buzz of having UNC at home next year.

Win some non conf games and put a good showing in versus UNC and honestly people will have already moved on from this season by Christmas.

My frustration with McGrath is that this on him and his staff. There is absolutely ZERO reason for this program to be the worst defense in D1. That is simply mindboggling considering our history. McGrath needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and accept the fact that what he is doing IS NOT WORKING. Call his colleague Wes Miller and learn as he did at UNCG. The UNC system he was raised on DOES NOT WORK at this level. McGrath must adapt. If he is willing to adapt beginning next year, he can turn this around. If not, he will be known as Buzz Peterson 2.0
All fair points, I guess where I’m at is if he’s not changing now, and we are literally the worst D team in D1, why would he change later. I mean try some new stuff you can literally only go up from here

UNC Greensboro Spartans (Southern Conference) (2011–present)
2011–12 UNC Greensboro 11–11 10–5 1st (North)
2012–13 UNC Greensboro 9–22 6–12 6th (North)
2013–14 UNC Greensboro 14–18 7–9 6th
2014–15 UNC Greensboro 11–22 6–12 T–7th
2015–16 UNC Greensboro 15–19 10–8 T–5th

It took Wes Miller 5 years and now he is running the type of system we previously had and is having success.

I hope McGrath is a much quicker learner
I looked at that the other day, he had good defensive teams even in the Losing seasons. And they also stunk when he got there, so, it was more of the same. Not going what we went to, to this. Different situation.It just took him a while to get his guys. CB has more than enough to compete now. He can recruit, he’s gotten some solid guys but he’s going to wind up losing them
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I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.
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(02-02-2019 10:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.

That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.
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(02-02-2019 10:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  My frustration with McGrath is that this on him and his staff. There is absolutely ZERO reason for this program to be the worst defense in D1. That is simply mindboggling considering our history. McGrath needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and accept the fact that what he is doing IS NOT WORKING.
^^This^^

At this point the jury is in: the defense he learned, practiced, played, and coached under Roy Williams does not work with these players - the players he inherited or the players he recruited. There is no way that this group of players, individually, are the worst group of defensive players in America. No way.
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(02-03-2019 06:39 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  My frustration with McGrath is that this on him and his staff. There is absolutely ZERO reason for this program to be the worst defense in D1. That is simply mindboggling considering our history. McGrath needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and accept the fact that what he is doing IS NOT WORKING.
^^This^^

At this point the jury is in: the defense he learned, practiced, played, and coached under Roy Williams does not work with these players - the players he inherited or the players he recruited. There is no way that this group of players, individually, are the worst group of defensive players in America. No way.
To echo a previously echoed phrase on this Discussion Board...'negligent malpractice.' I feel bad this group of guys and especially Devontae and his family. Let's pray for a miracle.
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(02-02-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.

That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.

That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.
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(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.

That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.

That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.

Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
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(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.

That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.

That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.
I'll say it again. Chase team's off the line and stop over helping from weak side. Also, UNCW has no team rule about forcing baseline or forcing middle. That might be ok if you have superior 1 on 1 defenders but this team needs to at least know where they want the ball to go.
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I'm guessing that you're a force baseline guy Hawking,but that's just a guess. Hawks don't have a shot blocker so middle wouldn't be the answer IMHO. They need to clean that up. It would be great to see improvement because they have enough offense to win on most nights. Please tell us how you would defend with this team knowing the personnel! You know a lot so we would love to hear your opinion. You're not going to offend anyone on the team because they know the deal now and can improve. That's what everybody wants as a player, fan and coach.
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(02-03-2019 11:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.

That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.

That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.

Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
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(02-03-2019 02:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 11:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.

That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.

That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.

Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
So losing has become the norm here again? If he’s going to stay he needs to shakeup his staff at a minimum. First time coaches need to have more experience on the bench and no I don’t mean experience as a player
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RE: The Elephant in room.......
(02-03-2019 02:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 11:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I just listened to Alex's Facebook wrap up and kudos to him for hitting the nail on the head.

Keatts' teams didnt play great defense from a shooting percentage perspective, but they forced a lot of turnovers. McGrath is getting the not great defense but is not getting the forced turnovers.

If the Hawks cannot/will not press and force turnovers it's going to be incredibly difficult to win the game solely by being the better offense.

That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.

That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.

Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
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(02-03-2019 02:47 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  I'm guessing that you're a force baseline guy Hawking,but that's just a guess. Hawks don't have a shot blocker so middle wouldn't be the answer IMHO. They need to clean that up. It would be great to see improvement because they have enough offense to win on most nights. Please tell us how you would defend with this team knowing the personnel! You know a lot so we would love to hear your opinion. You're not going to offend anyone on the team because they know the deal now and can improve. That's what everybody wants as a player, fan and coach.
No shot blocker? No problem. You don't have to look very far for an example of a very successful team of primarily guards that plays a matchup zone with the tightest most choreographed rotations in the CAA. 2nd ranked defense in the league (68.8 pts).
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(02-03-2019 09:24 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 02:55 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 11:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-03-2019 10:41 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 10:58 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  That’s been the case all season. KK teams out scored people because we had more possessions.

That's a fallacy of the Keatts years. We weren't the #1 defense, but we weren't last. Also, we only averaged only 3 more ppg on offense under Keatts than we do now. 82.3 vs. 79.5. Here is reality vs. fiction in Keatts last year:

Keatts #5 PPG allowed 73.4 ppg. Now #10 allow 83.2 ppg
Keatts Def FG% #7 .463 Now #9 .479
Keatts 3pt FG% defense #3 .338 Now #9 .399
Keatts blocked shots #3 3.6 Now #10 1.4

We won't even get into steals and TO's we caused. If we had those same defensive numbers we'd be a top 3 team in the CAA. Keatts placed more emphasis on "running players off the three point line", his words. And you can see that in the stats. Our problem is we stop NOTHING. We give up the three, the drive, post ups, FT's, everything. We don't get steals, cause TO's or block shots. We are literally good at nothing on defense.

When you have ZERO good stats on defense, that's a defensive scheme problem. Pick your poison and focus on stopping SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

1. Tell your players to stop cheating to stop the drives and instead stick with the outlets waiting for the 3 and be willing to give up the drive or post up.
2. Play zone to stop dribble penetration and easy post ups and be willing to give up the 3.
3. Play a REAL press designed to create TO's and get steals.

If we could pick ONE thing to stop and just be good at one thing, our season would turn around.

Easy no one said KK teams were terrible on D they just weren’t great. Your numbers show that. But the point was they offset any deficiencies they might have by causing turnovers and that’s a fact, also proven by your numbers. We certainly do agree that with this regime being good at something, anything at all on d would mean a dramatic improvement to what we have now. Hindsight is always 20/20 and obviously any of us would take what we had in a second
Keatts teams are terrible on the half court,I said it when he was at UNCW and nothing has changed about it. He can recruit but can he coach a team capable of winning playoff games in the ACC or NCAA?
CB has to change something about his defensive scheme and I think it has to be wholesale but its really hard to do midseason. To say he should be fired now or after his 2nd season is just stupid and reactive. All coaches should who do things the right way should be given a real chance and that means at a minimum 3 years if not 4.
Poppycock!

Where’s Mullet wrong here? As a coach, wouldn’t you say it would be concerning to you from a confidence and “quality opportunity” standpoint if a team’s ownership or administration were firing their coaches after 1.5-2 years on the job?

Our terrible defense is lost on exactly nobody here. However, it seems you may either be new to our program or don’t remember how bad our half court defense was under Keatts. We fouled people incessantly and couldn’t get a stop if they beat our press.

So, I don’t see where Mullet is wrong here? Others on here (cooler heads it seems) have also said it’s illogical to fire McGrath after this season from both financial and “quality opportunity” perspectives.

Money doesn’t grow on trees at UNCW. This isn’t pro ball. This is mid major basketball. This isn’t a P6 team with donor money overflowing out of the windows.


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