(02-01-2019 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:17 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:51 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Pelosi needs to explain why she supported border security in the past but not now. Be nice if the press would press her on this rather than give her a pass.

Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

Trump already had meetings with Pelosi and Schumer.

Apparently he had a deal for $25B for the border wall a few months ago when had more leverage but walked away from it. Now he has less leverage than he had in December and it’s getting worse. Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

So, if Trump offered the exact same DACA deal the D's wanted back then now, do you actually think Pelosi would be OK with funding the wall?

Probably not because Mr. Art of the Deal, Master negotiator no longer has the leverage that he had then.

(02-01-2019 10:37 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:51 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:41 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  If Trump wants to talk shite on television, Pelosi is going to punish him. He needs to get off of Twitter and stop making derogatory comments on tv if he wants to negotiate.

Pelosi needs to explain why she supported border security in the past but not now. Be nice if the press would press her on this rather than give her a pass.

Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

How? By demonstrating that she can be even more immature? In that press conference with their body language, Schumer and Pelosi embarrassed themselves acting like 3 year olds. No state of the union?

You should grow up and learn to think for yourself instead of spouting talking points that others give you.

I’m not spouting talking points, you need to think for yourself. How many athletes, teams or coaches publicly blast the other side while in contract negotiations. If you want to get a deal done, you don’t talk about the deal until it’s done. That’s life and business.

Again, you aren't doing any reasoning that doesn't come straight out of DNC talking points. The Dems have been blasting the President in public constantly. They have been spouting "immoral" backing themselves into a corner. You call the President immature without acknowledging the equal or greater immaturity of the Democrats.

And yes, a lot of times some pretty nasty things get said in labor negotiations. I don't think that's a great way to get things done, but its hardly unusual.

(02-01-2019 08:29 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  That just proves the articles' point SFC. You already have in place what Trump claims is so necessary.

Uhhhhh, and how much isn’t caught at the ports/points of entry?

You ever been out on some of those ranches? Where does all the trash and worn out sneakers come from? These are private properties.

Hunh

(02-01-2019 09:05 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 06:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 12:02 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Which goes to show: We expected Pelosi to say 'no money', which means get ready for 2.5 weeks from now... when the govt starts another shutdown, and this time I do not expect Trump to agree to a deal, and he's going to have the proof that the Democratic Leadership is the one that's forcing it.

I'll be interested to see if the rank-n-file democrats go along with Pelosi on this one, cause I know many were saying to set aside the money for it.

It won’t shutdown. Trump will seize power through a national emergency.

This is where I really wish we wouldn't go, because I am smart enough to know that if Trump does this (and is successful via the courts) it opens pandora's box for the next lefty that wins the presidency to use it for things like climate change, guns, etc.

I'm not arguing that this doesn't approach "emergency" level because I think it does, but the left will argue "emergency levels" for whatever idiocy they deem.

It puts the "emergency level" in the eye of the beholder, which given where the left is going from a policy perspective - gets scary...........

It would not surprise me at all if Pelosi were pushing for this purposely for exactly the long view reason of making the presidency so strong it can do pretty much whatever it wants. It's how authoritarian governments operate, and that's exactly where the left wants to go - more powerful government.

Agreed.

They will attempt to use it for “economic inequality” and all sorts of other leftist claptrap. Guns at the top of the list.

It’ll be just glorious.

(02-01-2019 09:09 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Is Ind.-1 coming off his demand for "$5.7B" for a "WALL"? Who's the one not negotiating in good faith?

“Fence, physical barrier, call it whatever you’d like”.

5.7bb is something like 1/8th of 1% of the fed budget.

Get real.

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:51 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:41 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  If Trump wants to talk shite on television, Pelosi is going to punish him. He needs to get off of Twitter and stop making derogatory comments on tv if he wants to negotiate.

Pelosi needs to explain why she supported border security in the past but not now. Be nice if the press would press her on this rather than give her a pass.

Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

Sorry but Pelosi would have to be able to act like an intelligent adult before training others. She would also have to understand that she swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. Maintaining border security is part of the constitution.

Democrats have no issue blasting those that disagree with them.

(02-01-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:37 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:51 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Pelosi needs to explain why she supported border security in the past but not now. Be nice if the press would press her on this rather than give her a pass.

Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

How? By demonstrating that she can be even more immature? In that press conference with their body language, Schumer and Pelosi embarrassed themselves acting like 3 year olds. No state of the union?

You should grow up and learn to think for yourself instead of spouting talking points that others give you.

I’m not spouting talking points, you need to think for yourself. How many athletes, teams or coaches publicly blast the other side while in contract negotiations. If you want to get a deal done, you don’t talk about the deal until it’s done. That’s life and business.

Again, you aren't doing any reasoning that doesn't come straight out of DNC talking points. The Dems have been blasting the President in public constantly. They have been spouting "immoral" backing themselves into a corner. You call the President immature without acknowledging the equal or greater immaturity of the Democrats.

And yes, a lot of times some pretty nasty things get said in labor negotiations. I don't think that's a great way to get things done, but its hardly unusual.

Not talking points, it’s negotiation 101. If you want to negotiate a contract for a new job, are you going blast your potential new boss in public? If he agrees to your terms, are you going to walk away? You need to admit that Trump is just bad at this.

(02-01-2019 11:03 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:51 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:41 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  If Trump wants to talk shite on television, Pelosi is going to punish him. He needs to get off of Twitter and stop making derogatory comments on tv if he wants to negotiate.

Pelosi needs to explain why she supported border security in the past but not now. Be nice if the press would press her on this rather than give her a pass.

Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

Sorry but Pelosi would have to be able to act like an intelligent adult before training others. She would also have to understand that she swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. Maintaining border security is part of the constitution.

Democrats have no issue blasting those that disagree with them.

She doesn’t. She has the leverage right now.

(02-01-2019 11:06 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:03 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:51 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:41 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  If Trump wants to talk shite on television, Pelosi is going to punish him. He needs to get off of Twitter and stop making derogatory comments on tv if he wants to negotiate.

Pelosi needs to explain why she supported border security in the past but not now. Be nice if the press would press her on this rather than give her a pass.

Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

Sorry but Pelosi would have to be able to act like an intelligent adult before training others. She would also have to understand that she swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. Maintaining border security is part of the constitution.

Democrats have no issue blasting those that disagree with them.

She doesn’t. She has the leverage right now.

yes she does....on a path to nowhere....

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:17 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

Trump already had meetings with Pelosi and Schumer.

Apparently he had a deal for $25B for the border wall a few months ago when had more leverage but walked away from it. Now he has less leverage than he had in December and it’s getting worse. Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

So, if Trump offered the exact same DACA deal the D's wanted back then now, do you actually think Pelosi would be OK with funding the wall?

Probably not because Mr. Art of the Deal, Master negotiator no longer has the leverage that he had then.

Well then that tells you all you need to know about the D's mindset. This isn't about the wall at all, it's all about the 2020 elections.

(02-01-2019 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:17 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Trump already had meetings with Pelosi and Schumer.

Apparently he had a deal for $25B for the border wall a few months ago when had more leverage but walked away from it. Now he has less leverage than he had in December and it’s getting worse. Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

So, if Trump offered the exact same DACA deal the D's wanted back then now, do you actually think Pelosi would be OK with funding the wall?

Probably not because Mr. Art of the Deal, Master negotiator no longer has the leverage that he had then.

Well then that tells you all you need to know about the D's mindset. This isn't about the wall at all, it's all about the 2020 elections.

And Pelosi has made herself the most unpopular politician in America. Pretty hard to do. I congratulate her on her accomplishment.

(02-01-2019 11:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Apparently he had a deal for $25B for the border wall a few months ago when had more leverage but walked away from it. Now he has less leverage than he had in December and it’s getting worse. Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

So, if Trump offered the exact same DACA deal the D's wanted back then now, do you actually think Pelosi would be OK with funding the wall?

Probably not because Mr. Art of the Deal, Master negotiator no longer has the leverage that he had then.

Well then that tells you all you need to know about the D's mindset. This isn't about the wall at all, it's all about the 2020 elections.

And Pelosi has made herself the most unpopular politician in America. Pretty hard to do. I congratulate her on her accomplishment.

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

No, I really don't believe that Milquetoast McConnell would be playing hardball. That's more a criticism of McConnell than of Pelosi or Schumer.

I don't think he would because I don't think he can. He doesn't control his caucus, because he couldn't lead an alcoholic to a liquor store.

Trump owned the first shutdown. If Pelosi and Schumer refuse to even talk about the wall he’ll do it again and put it on them and remind the country that he did it because they refuse to negotiate. Remember he’s not a lifelong politician. He gives two sh*ts about the game.

(02-01-2019 09:16 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I do not believe most democrats are of the variety posting here. Most are sensible and understand the need for a wall, barrier or fence. Whatever you want to call it. Pelosi is a purely political animal who has one goal in mind, defeat Trump. I don’t think all of the democrats have that same goal. Some still want to do what’s best for America. In the end I think she loses her position as speaker.

Really? Ah, the ultimate optimist. I really don't think even one quarter of the Demons hold a love for our country and definitely not that woman we sent to Washington from El Paso and the one that left her job to run for the senate.

Demoncraps are really, really evil and have no scruples. The only way to push for an America First agenda is to elect Republicans...it's that simple.

(02-01-2019 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

No, I really don't believe that Milquetoast McConnell would be playing hardball. That's more a criticism of McConnell than of Pelosi or Schumer.

I don't think he would because I don't think he can. He doesn't control his caucus, because he couldn't lead an alcoholic to a liquor store.

So you don’t that if the shoe were on the other foot and McConnell had control that he wouldn’t be playing hardball like he played hardball with Merrick Garland? Do you believe that McConnell will uphold the “Biden” rule if RBG steps down next year? Of course he won’t. He plays for keeps and so does Nancy.

(02-01-2019 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:17 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Trump already had meetings with Pelosi and Schumer.

Apparently he had a deal for $25B for the border wall a few months ago when had more leverage but walked away from it. Now he has less leverage than he had in December and it’s getting worse. Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

So, if Trump offered the exact same DACA deal the D's wanted back then now, do you actually think Pelosi would be OK with funding the wall?

Probably not because Mr. Art of the Deal, Master negotiator no longer has the leverage that he had then.

Well then that tells you all you need to know about the D's mindset. This isn't about the wall at all, it's all about the 2020 elections.

Says the guy who is probably cool with holding a Supreme Court seat up in order for a republican to win or confirming a Supreme Court justice with a simple majority.

(02-01-2019 03:14 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Apparently he had a deal for $25B for the border wall a few months ago when had more leverage but walked away from it. Now he has less leverage than he had in December and it’s getting worse. Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

So, if Trump offered the exact same DACA deal the D's wanted back then now, do you actually think Pelosi would be OK with funding the wall?

Probably not because Mr. Art of the Deal, Master negotiator no longer has the leverage that he had then.

Well then that tells you all you need to know about the D's mindset. This isn't about the wall at all, it's all about the 2020 elections.

Says the guy who is probably cool with holding a Supreme Court seat up in order for a republican to win or confirming a Supreme Court justice with a simple majority.

Curious as to what makes you say the above. What are you assuming?

(02-01-2019 11:06 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:03 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:15 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:51 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 08:41 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  If Trump wants to talk shite on television, Pelosi is going to punish him. He needs to get off of Twitter and stop making derogatory comments on tv if he wants to negotiate.

Pelosi needs to explain why she supported border security in the past but not now. Be nice if the press would press her on this rather than give her a pass.

Not really. She holds the cards. This is more of an exercise to train the POTUS to act like an adult. Once the bombast on Twitter and tv is over, real negotiations can begin. You can’t negotiate with anybody while they are blasting you in public.

Sorry but Pelosi would have to be able to act like an intelligent adult before training others. She would also have to understand that she swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. Maintaining border security is part of the constitution.

Democrats have no issue blasting those that disagree with them.

She doesn’t. She has the leverage right now.

Exactly and you're admitting that it's the Demons who are holding back government and will in a few weeks hold back government again because they don't want to negotiate like they "PROMISED" they would.

(02-01-2019 03:14 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:40 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Apparently he had a deal for $25B for the border wall a few months ago when had more leverage but walked away from it. Now he has less leverage than he had in December and it’s getting worse. Pelosi and Schumer know this and they are going to play hard ball because if the shoe were on the other foot McConnell would be playing hard ball.

So, if Trump offered the exact same DACA deal the D's wanted back then now, do you actually think Pelosi would be OK with funding the wall?

Probably not because Mr. Art of the Deal, Master negotiator no longer has the leverage that he had then.

Well then that tells you all you need to know about the D's mindset. This isn't about the wall at all, it's all about the 2020 elections.

Says the guy who is probably cool with holding a Supreme Court seat up in order for a republican to win or confirming a Supreme Court justice with a simple majority.

So, you were one of the 11.3% who actually thought in advance that the Drumpf would win? Interesting. Congrats on the call, hope you put down a couple grand on that one.