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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-30-2019 03:06 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 09:50 AM)owl brett Wrote:  It would be nice if the roof was open more, but I understand the roof is usually closed so that it can be louder inside the stadium for purposes of home field advantage.

I'm pretty sure this is correct. I think I remember that the Texans wanted the keep the roof closed during a playoff game some years ago so the crowd would be louder, but the NFL made them open it.

I wonder why the Falcons are so willing to forgo such an important advantage?
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Quote:The open-air needs of the NFL and the closed-roof needs of the rodeo resulted in the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA. But it's not just a retractable roof; it's a roof that, when closed, will support the weight of the heavy rodeo audio/visual equipment, an advantage also for concerts or other events that will be held in the facility, according to (Leroy) Shafer, (assistant general manager of the rodeo's marketing department).

During rodeo events, the translucent, retractable roof will support 180 pounds of equipment, including six screens and additional speakers.

(01-30-2019 02:18 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  180 lbs????

(01-30-2019 02:23 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  NRG the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA? It wasn't even the first in Houston! It was the first in the NFL, but the baseball stadiums in Milwaukee, Houston, Phoenix, and Seattle all preceded NRG.

Wow, that's two pretty big oopses in as many paragraphs!

Yep. I wondered about both of those statements. The article had been updated a day after it was first posted ... but apparently not fact-checked.

BTW, what's claimed to be the first-ever rectractable roof stadium opened in Toronto in 1989: https://www.citylab.com/design/2013/06/s...roof/5790/

Montreal actually beat Toronto to the first retractable roof by two years, as the retractable roof that was originally a part of the design for Olympic Stadium (constructed for the 1976 Summer Games) was finally installed in 1987. But operation of the roof was notoriously unreliable -- it could not be operated in winds exceeding 25 mph, and tore on its first retraction -- and ultimately it was opened and closed only 88 times before roof operations were stopped (with the roof kept closed) in 1992.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-30-2019 02:58 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:39 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
Quote:The open-air needs of the NFL and the closed-roof needs of the rodeo resulted in the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA. But it's not just a retractable roof; it's a roof that, when closed, will support the weight of the heavy rodeo audio/visual equipment, an advantage also for concerts or other events that will be held in the facility, according to (Leroy) Shafer, (assistant general manager of the rodeo's marketing department).

During rodeo events, the translucent, retractable roof will support 180 pounds of equipment, including six screens and additional speakers.

(01-30-2019 02:18 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  180 lbs????

(01-30-2019 02:23 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  NRG the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA? It wasn't even the first in Houston! It was the first in the NFL, but the baseball stadiums in Milwaukee, Houston, Phoenix, and Seattle all preceded NRG.

Wow, that's two pretty big oopses in as many paragraphs!

Yep. I wondered about both of those statements. The article had been updated a day after it was first posted ... but apparently not fact-checked.

BTW, what's claimed to be the first-ever rectractable roof stadium opened in Toronto in 1989: https://www.citylab.com/design/2013/06/s...roof/5790/

And let me tell you, when it came to opening that roof in Toronto, it was pretty impressive. I was at a preseason game between the Bills and Cowboys in 1995 with one of my Rice roommates (and a Cowboys fan), and the game started with the roof closed. We were seated pretty much at the top of the stadium, having gotten our tickets pretty late. But in the second half, they decided to open the roof - while the game was still being played. (The horror!)

Before the roof was opened, it was horrible, being at the top of the stadium - no air movement, so it was still hot and humid in the upper reaches (cooler air sinking and all). But when that roof opened, we were the lucky ones. Our seats faced approximately west, and the sunset that was going on over the top of the Skydome was gorgeous. And it massively cooled us down, by getting some air movement.

The next day, we went to the top of the CN Tower - which allowed you to see down into the Skydome. The Skydome had its roof open midday, so we could see the Argonauts practicing on the field.

Put me in the Texans-management-is-lame camp. Open roof can make some memories for the fans in the right conditions.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-30-2019 06:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:58 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:39 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
Quote:The open-air needs of the NFL and the closed-roof needs of the rodeo resulted in the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA. But it's not just a retractable roof; it's a roof that, when closed, will support the weight of the heavy rodeo audio/visual equipment, an advantage also for concerts or other events that will be held in the facility, according to (Leroy) Shafer, (assistant general manager of the rodeo's marketing department).

During rodeo events, the translucent, retractable roof will support 180 pounds of equipment, including six screens and additional speakers.

(01-30-2019 02:18 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  180 lbs????

(01-30-2019 02:23 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  NRG the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA? It wasn't even the first in Houston! It was the first in the NFL, but the baseball stadiums in Milwaukee, Houston, Phoenix, and Seattle all preceded NRG.

Wow, that's two pretty big oopses in as many paragraphs!

Yep. I wondered about both of those statements. The article had been updated a day after it was first posted ... but apparently not fact-checked.

BTW, what's claimed to be the first-ever rectractable roof stadium opened in Toronto in 1989: https://www.citylab.com/design/2013/06/s...roof/5790/

And let me tell you, when it came to opening that roof in Toronto, it was pretty impressive. I was at a preseason game between the Bills and Cowboys in 1995 with one of my Rice roommates (and a Cowboys fan), and the game started with the roof closed. We were seated pretty much at the top of the stadium, having gotten our tickets pretty late. But in the second half, they decided to open the roof - while the game was still being played. (The horror!)

Before the roof was opened, it was horrible, being at the top of the stadium - no air movement, so it was still hot and humid in the upper reaches (cooler air sinking and all). But when that roof opened, we were the lucky ones. Our seats faced approximately west, and the sunset that was going on over the top of the Skydome was gorgeous. And it massively cooled us down, by getting some air movement.

The next day, we went to the top of the CN Tower - which allowed you to see down into the Skydome. The Skydome had its roof open midday, so we could see the Argonauts practicing on the field.

Put me in the Texans-management-is-lame camp. Open roof can make some memories for the fans in the right conditions.

Again, I’ve been in NRG Stadium for an NFL game with the roof open. While it generated a memorable experience, it isn’t a pleasant one. Probably much to do with the different latitudes of Houston and Toronto and the fact that most NFL games in Houston start at noon, i.e., no pretty sunset over the Med Center.

BTW - i agree that Texans management leaves much to be desired, but not opening the roof is way down the list of reasons.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-30-2019 06:21 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 03:06 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 09:50 AM)owl brett Wrote:  It would be nice if the roof was open more, but I understand the roof is usually closed so that it can be louder inside the stadium for purposes of home field advantage.

I'm pretty sure this is correct. I think I remember that the Texans wanted the keep the roof closed during a playoff game some years ago so the crowd would be louder, but the NFL made them open it.

I wonder why the Falcons are so willing to forgo such an important advantage?

(01-30-2019 07:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:58 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:39 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
Quote:The open-air needs of the NFL and the closed-roof needs of the rodeo resulted in the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA. But it's not just a retractable roof; it's a roof that, when closed, will support the weight of the heavy rodeo audio/visual equipment, an advantage also for concerts or other events that will be held in the facility, according to (Leroy) Shafer, (assistant general manager of the rodeo's marketing department).

During rodeo events, the translucent, retractable roof will support 180 pounds of equipment, including six screens and additional speakers.

(01-30-2019 02:18 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  180 lbs????

(01-30-2019 02:23 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  NRG the first retractable-roof stadium in the USA? It wasn't even the first in Houston! It was the first in the NFL, but the baseball stadiums in Milwaukee, Houston, Phoenix, and Seattle all preceded NRG.

Wow, that's two pretty big oopses in as many paragraphs!

Yep. I wondered about both of those statements. The article had been updated a day after it was first posted ... but apparently not fact-checked.

BTW, what's claimed to be the first-ever rectractable roof stadium opened in Toronto in 1989: https://www.citylab.com/design/2013/06/s...roof/5790/

And let me tell you, when it came to opening that roof in Toronto, it was pretty impressive. I was at a preseason game between the Bills and Cowboys in 1995 with one of my Rice roommates (and a Cowboys fan), and the game started with the roof closed. We were seated pretty much at the top of the stadium, having gotten our tickets pretty late. But in the second half, they decided to open the roof - while the game was still being played. (The horror!)

Before the roof was opened, it was horrible, being at the top of the stadium - no air movement, so it was still hot and humid in the upper reaches (cooler air sinking and all). But when that roof opened, we were the lucky ones. Our seats faced approximately west, and the sunset that was going on over the top of the Skydome was gorgeous. And it massively cooled us down, by getting some air movement.

The next day, we went to the top of the CN Tower - which allowed you to see down into the Skydome. The Skydome had its roof open midday, so we could see the Argonauts practicing on the field.

Put me in the Texans-management-is-lame camp. Open roof can make some memories for the fans in the right conditions.

Again, I’ve been in NRG Stadium for an NFL game with the roof open. While it generated a memorable experience, it isn’t a pleasant one. Probably much to do with the different latitudes of Houston and Toronto and the fact that most NFL games in Houston start at noon, i.e., no pretty sunset over the Med Center.

BTW - i agree that Texans management leaves much to be desired, but not opening the roof is way down the list of reasons.

Why is a 65 degree day in Houston less pleasant than a 65 degree day in Atlanta?
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(01-30-2019 07:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:21 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 03:06 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 09:50 AM)owl brett Wrote:  It would be nice if the roof was open more, but I understand the roof is usually closed so that it can be louder inside the stadium for purposes of home field advantage.

I'm pretty sure this is correct. I think I remember that the Texans wanted the keep the roof closed during a playoff game some years ago so the crowd would be louder, but the NFL made them open it.

I wonder why the Falcons are so willing to forgo such an important advantage?

(01-30-2019 07:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:58 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:39 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  Wow, that's two pretty big oopses in as many paragraphs!

Yep. I wondered about both of those statements. The article had been updated a day after it was first posted ... but apparently not fact-checked.

BTW, what's claimed to be the first-ever rectractable roof stadium opened in Toronto in 1989: https://www.citylab.com/design/2013/06/s...roof/5790/

And let me tell you, when it came to opening that roof in Toronto, it was pretty impressive. I was at a preseason game between the Bills and Cowboys in 1995 with one of my Rice roommates (and a Cowboys fan), and the game started with the roof closed. We were seated pretty much at the top of the stadium, having gotten our tickets pretty late. But in the second half, they decided to open the roof - while the game was still being played. (The horror!)

Before the roof was opened, it was horrible, being at the top of the stadium - no air movement, so it was still hot and humid in the upper reaches (cooler air sinking and all). But when that roof opened, we were the lucky ones. Our seats faced approximately west, and the sunset that was going on over the top of the Skydome was gorgeous. And it massively cooled us down, by getting some air movement.

The next day, we went to the top of the CN Tower - which allowed you to see down into the Skydome. The Skydome had its roof open midday, so we could see the Argonauts practicing on the field.

Put me in the Texans-management-is-lame camp. Open roof can make some memories for the fans in the right conditions.

Again, I’ve been in NRG Stadium for an NFL game with the roof open. While it generated a memorable experience, it isn’t a pleasant one. Probably much to do with the different latitudes of Houston and Toronto and the fact that most NFL games in Houston start at noon, i.e., no pretty sunset over the Med Center.

BTW - i agree that Texans management leaves much to be desired, but not opening the roof is way down the list of reasons.

Why is a 65 degree day in Houston less pleasant than a 65 degree day in Atlanta?

Well, let’s see. Chance of rain, humidity, time of kickoff (SB in Atlanta KO is 6:30 pm, most Texan home KOs are noon....stated another way, for a home game at HRS in Sept., think last season’s game vs UH, would you prefer an 11am KO or a 7pm KO?), air quality, etc. Not saying there aren’t pleasant days in Houston, just not enough to justify an expensive retractable roof for a dozen or less (usually less) football games per year hoping that a few of those may coincide with one of those pleasant days.
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(01-30-2019 10:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 07:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:21 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 03:06 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 09:50 AM)owl brett Wrote:  It would be nice if the roof was open more, but I understand the roof is usually closed so that it can be louder inside the stadium for purposes of home field advantage.

I'm pretty sure this is correct. I think I remember that the Texans wanted the keep the roof closed during a playoff game some years ago so the crowd would be louder, but the NFL made them open it.

I wonder why the Falcons are so willing to forgo such an important advantage?

(01-30-2019 07:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 02:58 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Yep. I wondered about both of those statements. The article had been updated a day after it was first posted ... but apparently not fact-checked.

BTW, what's claimed to be the first-ever rectractable roof stadium opened in Toronto in 1989: https://www.citylab.com/design/2013/06/s...roof/5790/

And let me tell you, when it came to opening that roof in Toronto, it was pretty impressive. I was at a preseason game between the Bills and Cowboys in 1995 with one of my Rice roommates (and a Cowboys fan), and the game started with the roof closed. We were seated pretty much at the top of the stadium, having gotten our tickets pretty late. But in the second half, they decided to open the roof - while the game was still being played. (The horror!)

Before the roof was opened, it was horrible, being at the top of the stadium - no air movement, so it was still hot and humid in the upper reaches (cooler air sinking and all). But when that roof opened, we were the lucky ones. Our seats faced approximately west, and the sunset that was going on over the top of the Skydome was gorgeous. And it massively cooled us down, by getting some air movement.

The next day, we went to the top of the CN Tower - which allowed you to see down into the Skydome. The Skydome had its roof open midday, so we could see the Argonauts practicing on the field.

Put me in the Texans-management-is-lame camp. Open roof can make some memories for the fans in the right conditions.

Again, I’ve been in NRG Stadium for an NFL game with the roof open. While it generated a memorable experience, it isn’t a pleasant one. Probably much to do with the different latitudes of Houston and Toronto and the fact that most NFL games in Houston start at noon, i.e., no pretty sunset over the Med Center.

BTW - i agree that Texans management leaves much to be desired, but not opening the roof is way down the list of reasons.

Why is a 65 degree day in Houston less pleasant than a 65 degree day in Atlanta?

Well, let’s see. Chance of rain, humidity, time of kickoff (SB in Atlanta KO is 6:30 pm, most Texan home KOs are noon....stated another way, for a home game at HRS in Sept., think last season’s game vs UH, would you prefer an 11am KO or a 7pm KO?), air quality, etc. Not saying there aren’t pleasant days in Houston, just not enough to justify an expensive retractable roof for a dozen or less (usually less) football games per year hoping that a few of those may coincide with one of those pleasant days.

But it is already there. So this isnt a cost rationalization exercise. So why not use it?

If NRG collapses and the discussion is on the replacement, I can see your point. But its done and paid for, almost akin to capping your Aston Martin at a maximum of second gear.
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(01-30-2019 11:02 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 10:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 07:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:21 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 03:06 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  I'm pretty sure this is correct. I think I remember that the Texans wanted the keep the roof closed during a playoff game some years ago so the crowd would be louder, but the NFL made them open it.

I wonder why the Falcons are so willing to forgo such an important advantage?

(01-30-2019 07:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  And let me tell you, when it came to opening that roof in Toronto, it was pretty impressive. I was at a preseason game between the Bills and Cowboys in 1995 with one of my Rice roommates (and a Cowboys fan), and the game started with the roof closed. We were seated pretty much at the top of the stadium, having gotten our tickets pretty late. But in the second half, they decided to open the roof - while the game was still being played. (The horror!)

Before the roof was opened, it was horrible, being at the top of the stadium - no air movement, so it was still hot and humid in the upper reaches (cooler air sinking and all). But when that roof opened, we were the lucky ones. Our seats faced approximately west, and the sunset that was going on over the top of the Skydome was gorgeous. And it massively cooled us down, by getting some air movement.

The next day, we went to the top of the CN Tower - which allowed you to see down into the Skydome. The Skydome had its roof open midday, so we could see the Argonauts practicing on the field.

Put me in the Texans-management-is-lame camp. Open roof can make some memories for the fans in the right conditions.

Again, I’ve been in NRG Stadium for an NFL game with the roof open. While it generated a memorable experience, it isn’t a pleasant one. Probably much to do with the different latitudes of Houston and Toronto and the fact that most NFL games in Houston start at noon, i.e., no pretty sunset over the Med Center.

BTW - i agree that Texans management leaves much to be desired, but not opening the roof is way down the list of reasons.

Why is a 65 degree day in Houston less pleasant than a 65 degree day in Atlanta?

Well, let’s see. Chance of rain, humidity, time of kickoff (SB in Atlanta KO is 6:30 pm, most Texan home KOs are noon....stated another way, for a home game at HRS in Sept., think last season’s game vs UH, would you prefer an 11am KO or a 7pm KO?), air quality, etc. Not saying there aren’t pleasant days in Houston, just not enough to justify an expensive retractable roof for a dozen or less (usually less) football games per year hoping that a few of those may coincide with one of those pleasant days.

But it is already there. So this isnt a cost rationalization exercise. So why not use it?

If NRG collapses and the discussion is on the replacement, I can see your point. But its done and paid for, almost akin to capping your Aston Martin at a maximum of second gear.

Maybe the majority of their customer base prefers it closed? My understanding is they still have a waiting list for season tickets so the backlash, other than on the Parliament, must not be significant.
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(01-30-2019 11:49 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 11:02 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 10:56 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 07:48 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 06:21 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I wonder why the Falcons are so willing to forgo such an important advantage?

(01-30-2019 07:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Again, I’ve been in NRG Stadium for an NFL game with the roof open. While it generated a memorable experience, it isn’t a pleasant one. Probably much to do with the different latitudes of Houston and Toronto and the fact that most NFL games in Houston start at noon, i.e., no pretty sunset over the Med Center.

BTW - i agree that Texans management leaves much to be desired, but not opening the roof is way down the list of reasons.

Why is a 65 degree day in Houston less pleasant than a 65 degree day in Atlanta?

Well, let’s see. Chance of rain, humidity, time of kickoff (SB in Atlanta KO is 6:30 pm, most Texan home KOs are noon....stated another way, for a home game at HRS in Sept., think last season’s game vs UH, would you prefer an 11am KO or a 7pm KO?), air quality, etc. Not saying there aren’t pleasant days in Houston, just not enough to justify an expensive retractable roof for a dozen or less (usually less) football games per year hoping that a few of those may coincide with one of those pleasant days.

But it is already there. So this isnt a cost rationalization exercise. So why not use it?

If NRG collapses and the discussion is on the replacement, I can see your point. But its done and paid for, almost akin to capping your Aston Martin at a maximum of second gear.

Maybe the majority of their customer base prefers it closed? My understanding is they still have a waiting list for season tickets so the backlash, other than on the Parliament, must not be significant.

Are there really people who, on a beautifully crisp afternoon in the low 60s, say “You know I really want the roof closed”? And why would there be more such people in Houston than in Atlanta? That’s the question I’m asking: not whether Houston has more good-weather days than Atlanta does, but rather: why, on days that are indisputably good, the Falcons seem to open their roof while the Texans refuse to. Again, I think the ultimate cause is mental laziness: a preference for avoiding decisions rather than making them.
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Frankly it was idiotic to include (1) a retractable roof and (2) grass in moveable trays. On the days where it might be moderate enough to open up the roof, the sun angle onto sections of the east side is pretty awful. The times it has been open has resulted in a significant number of complaints. For night games with ok weather, the concern has been that it could rain or get too cold. But overriding all of these is that it is significantly louder with the roof closed and the night games tend to be big name opponents or critical games. For the playoff game vs Indy, it probably could have been open. Given the increased noise level, I seriously doubt it will be open pretty much ever
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I wonder how many times, for any events, the roof has been open in its history? I can't remember very many at all.
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(01-31-2019 08:38 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Frankly it was idiotic to include (1) a retractable roof and (2) grass in moveable trays. On the days where it might be moderate enough to open up the roof, the sun angle onto sections of the east side is pretty awful. The times it has been open has resulted in a significant number of complaints. For night games with ok weather, the concern has been that it could rain or get too cold. But overriding all of these is that it is significantly louder with the roof closed and the night games tend to be big name opponents or critical games. For the playoff game vs Indy, it probably could have been open. Given the increased noise level, I seriously doubt it will be open pretty much ever

So is the Falcons stadium that much better designed (avoiding the “sun angle” problem that plagues NRG even on cool and pleasant days)? For that matter, how do fans at all the outdoor stadiums cope with the notorious sun? And are the Falcons foolishly giving up an important acoustical advantage? Or — as seems likely — are the Texans just lame?

Regarding noise: the implication is that when Rice has a home game at NRG, we should insist on the roof being open, in order to avoid giving that all-important noise advantage to the visiting team, whose fans will greatly outnumber ours. Right?
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(01-31-2019 08:38 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Frankly it was idiotic to include (1) a retractable roof and (2) grass in moveable trays. On the days where it might be moderate enough to open up the roof, the sun angle onto sections of the east side is pretty awful. The times it has been open has resulted in a significant number of complaints. For night games with ok weather, the concern has been that it could rain or get too cold. But overriding all of these is that it is significantly louder with the roof closed and the night games tend to be big name opponents or critical games. For the playoff game vs Indy, it probably could have been open. Given the increased noise level, I seriously doubt it will be open pretty much ever

So is the Falcons stadium that much better designed (avoiding the “sun angle” problem that plagues NRG even on cool and pleasant days)? For that matter, how do fans at all the outdoor stadiums cope with the notorious sun? And are the Falcons foolishly giving up an important acoustical advantage? Or — as seems likely — are the Texans just lame?

Regarding noise: the implication is that when Rice has a home game at NRG, we should insist on the roof being open, in order to avoid giving that all-important noise advantage to the visiting team, whose fans will greatly outnumber ours. Right?

I doubt we ever play a home game there late enough in the season for it to be cool enough to open the roof.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-31-2019 08:45 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I wonder how many times, for any events, the roof has been open in its history? I can't remember very many at all.

That’s my impression also: no matter how perfect the weather, it’s closed.

One notable exception (and the reason the topic sticks in my mind) was the 2008 Texas Bowl between Rice and Western Michigan. It was an awesome night for football: perfectly clear, perfectly dry, light wind, temperature in the 50s or upper 40s, and the roof was open. It really was a delightful atmosphere. Not a single person complained about it, and many remarked how enjoyable it was to play under the open sky, and why can’t the Texans do that

Of course the reason the roof was open that night is that it was stuck in the open position due to Hhurricane damage earlier that fall. So the thing that prevented NRG from being lame was — weather.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-31-2019 09:24 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:20 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 08:38 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Frankly it was idiotic to include (1) a retractable roof and (2) grass in moveable trays. On the days where it might be moderate enough to open up the roof, the sun angle onto sections of the east side is pretty awful. The times it has been open has resulted in a significant number of complaints. For night games with ok weather, the concern has been that it could rain or get too cold. But overriding all of these is that it is significantly louder with the roof closed and the night games tend to be big name opponents or critical games. For the playoff game vs Indy, it probably could have been open. Given the increased noise level, I seriously doubt it will be open pretty much ever

So is the Falcons stadium that much better designed (avoiding the “sun angle” problem that plagues NRG even on cool and pleasant days)? For that matter, how do fans at all the outdoor stadiums cope with the notorious sun? And are the Falcons foolishly giving up an important acoustical advantage? Or — as seems likely — are the Texans just lame?

Regarding noise: the implication is that when Rice has a home game at NRG, we should insist on the roof being open, in order to avoid giving that all-important noise advantage to the visiting team, whose fans will greatly outnumber ours. Right?

I doubt we ever play a home game there late enough in the season for it to be cool enough to open the roof.

Good point — those big games always seem to in August or early September.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-31-2019 09:29 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:24 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:20 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 08:38 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Frankly it was idiotic to include (1) a retractable roof and (2) grass in moveable trays. On the days where it might be moderate enough to open up the roof, the sun angle onto sections of the east side is pretty awful. The times it has been open has resulted in a significant number of complaints. For night games with ok weather, the concern has been that it could rain or get too cold. But overriding all of these is that it is significantly louder with the roof closed and the night games tend to be big name opponents or critical games. For the playoff game vs Indy, it probably could have been open. Given the increased noise level, I seriously doubt it will be open pretty much ever

So is the Falcons stadium that much better designed (avoiding the “sun angle” problem that plagues NRG even on cool and pleasant days)? For that matter, how do fans at all the outdoor stadiums cope with the notorious sun? And are the Falcons foolishly giving up an important acoustical advantage? Or — as seems likely — are the Texans just lame?

Regarding noise: the implication is that when Rice has a home game at NRG, we should insist on the roof being open, in order to avoid giving that all-important noise advantage to the visiting team, whose fans will greatly outnumber ours. Right?

I doubt we ever play a home game there late enough in the season for it to be cool enough to open the roof.

Good point — those big games always seem to in August or early September.

Not to mention that us insisting has about the same power as Puerto Rico's delegate to the house.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-31-2019 01:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:29 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:24 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:20 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 08:38 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Frankly it was idiotic to include (1) a retractable roof and (2) grass in moveable trays. On the days where it might be moderate enough to open up the roof, the sun angle onto sections of the east side is pretty awful. The times it has been open has resulted in a significant number of complaints. For night games with ok weather, the concern has been that it could rain or get too cold. But overriding all of these is that it is significantly louder with the roof closed and the night games tend to be big name opponents or critical games. For the playoff game vs Indy, it probably could have been open. Given the increased noise level, I seriously doubt it will be open pretty much ever

So is the Falcons stadium that much better designed (avoiding the “sun angle” problem that plagues NRG even on cool and pleasant days)? For that matter, how do fans at all the outdoor stadiums cope with the notorious sun? And are the Falcons foolishly giving up an important acoustical advantage? Or — as seems likely — are the Texans just lame?

Regarding noise: the implication is that when Rice has a home game at NRG, we should insist on the roof being open, in order to avoid giving that all-important noise advantage to the visiting team, whose fans will greatly outnumber ours. Right?

I doubt we ever play a home game there late enough in the season for it to be cool enough to open the roof.

Good point — those big games always seem to in August or early September.

Not to mention that us insisting has about the same power as Puerto Rico's delegate to the house.

Probably true -- but perhaps (hoping against hope) that there is some prerogative that goes with being the nominal home team?

Your analogy also reminds me of the Italian delegate in that scene in Casablanca when Major Strasser arrives and meets the local Vichy, German, and Italian officials: the Germans are domineering, the Vichy French are sycophantic, and the Italians are ignored.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-31-2019 01:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:29 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:24 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:20 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 08:38 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Frankly it was idiotic to include (1) a retractable roof and (2) grass in moveable trays. On the days where it might be moderate enough to open up the roof, the sun angle onto sections of the east side is pretty awful. The times it has been open has resulted in a significant number of complaints. For night games with ok weather, the concern has been that it could rain or get too cold. But overriding all of these is that it is significantly louder with the roof closed and the night games tend to be big name opponents or critical games. For the playoff game vs Indy, it probably could have been open. Given the increased noise level, I seriously doubt it will be open pretty much ever

So is the Falcons stadium that much better designed (avoiding the “sun angle” problem that plagues NRG even on cool and pleasant days)? For that matter, how do fans at all the outdoor stadiums cope with the notorious sun? And are the Falcons foolishly giving up an important acoustical advantage? Or — as seems likely — are the Texans just lame?

Regarding noise: the implication is that when Rice has a home game at NRG, we should insist on the roof being open, in order to avoid giving that all-important noise advantage to the visiting team, whose fans will greatly outnumber ours. Right?

I doubt we ever play a home game there late enough in the season for it to be cool enough to open the roof.

Good point — those big games always seem to in August or early September.

Not to mention that us insisting has about the same power as Puerto Rico's delegate to the house.

If Rice, the home team, wants to play that game outside, I know a stadium not far away that has pretty good seats and sight lines for outdoor football.
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
(01-31-2019 02:42 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 01:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:29 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:24 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-31-2019 09:20 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  So is the Falcons stadium that much better designed (avoiding the “sun angle” problem that plagues NRG even on cool and pleasant days)? For that matter, how do fans at all the outdoor stadiums cope with the notorious sun? And are the Falcons foolishly giving up an important acoustical advantage? Or — as seems likely — are the Texans just lame?

Regarding noise: the implication is that when Rice has a home game at NRG, we should insist on the roof being open, in order to avoid giving that all-important noise advantage to the visiting team, whose fans will greatly outnumber ours. Right?

I doubt we ever play a home game there late enough in the season for it to be cool enough to open the roof.

Good point — those big games always seem to in August or early September.

Not to mention that us insisting has about the same power as Puerto Rico's delegate to the house.

If Rice, the home team, wants to play that game outside, I know a stadium not far away that has pretty good seats and sight lines for outdoor football.

It seems like you feel that the NRG roof should never be open under any circumstances.
If Rice decided, for one of our games at NRG, that having the roof open wokd be advantageous for our team and not uncomfortable for fans, would you oppose that decision?
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RE: OT: How lame the Houston Texans are
I think tax dollars should never have been spent for a retractable roof for NRG. Given that they were, it's up to the tenants to decide when to open the roof. Keep in mind it is not just a sunk cost argument. There are also operating costs associated with opening and closing the roof, HVAC costs, etc.

I still don't think having the roof open creates any noticeable advantage for the Owls based on how well the Owls play day games against decent opponents in HRS (remember last year's UH game when Rice wilted in the 2H?). And who decides what is comfortable for the fans and which fans get to be comfortable. I'm guessing those Texan season ticket holders sitting on the east side let the Texans know early on they weren't happy, while the Texans didn't hear much from those with west side seats.

I also believe Rice should not sell games to NRG or play day games at HRS in Aug/Sept., but I don't make those decisions either.

If Rice did play say Texas at NRG, and the Rice ticket allotment (all few thousand of them) was on the west side in the shade, and all UT tickets were on the east side in the sun, and it was a midday game, and it was in Aug. or Sept., crank it open! Happy now?

Edit: More accurately, in the scenario I laid out, I don't care whether they open it or not. The UT fans will migrate to the east side to sit in unoccupied Rice seats anyway just as many of the UH fans did last Sept.

George, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. You may love sitting in the sun. I don't. I've done plenty of that from my days on campus in the student section, to many years of watching youth baseball (in Texas that means all months but August - I've sat through games in sleet and 100+ temps), to suffering through 11am Sept. kickoffs at HRS. Given a chance now to watch the same event from either 1) a seat in the sun and/or elements or 2) from a shaded seat or in the A/C, I will take door number 2 please.
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