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One would suspect that since ETSU considers women's basketball as a tier 1 sport, that they have an expectation to compete for conference championships. Perhaps the OOC schedule was taxing and destroyed their confidence, but what about all the other years? She had a career season with someone else's players, and other than that hasn't been very good.
I took it a step further, I took away her best season and her worst season, then ran the average W/L total. 15.5 wins, 15.5 losses. .500
.500 CANNOT be the expectation for what ETSU called in 2015: "“have the highest level of media exposure and also have significant revenue capability.” They also have “the greatest fan interest and therefore have the greatest opportunity to expose the ETSU brand and engage the largest number of constituents,” (Sander, JC Press 2015). They also said: "With a higher level of commitments come added pressure, so the sports in the upper tiers will be expected to win.

The basketball teams are expected to compete for the Southern Conference championships and participate in a postseason tournament each year. In addition, the men should sell 2,500 season tickets and the women 800. Both are expected to sell out four home games and play at least three teams in the top 50 each season," (Sander, JC Press).
Based on the numbers and the expectations that ol' Dickard set forth before he retired.
Here's the link to the 2015 article just as a refresher.
https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/...iered-plan
03-08-2019 10:45 PM
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(03-08-2019 10:45 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  One would suspect that since ETSU considers women's basketball as a tier 1 sport, that they have an expectation to compete for conference championships. Perhaps the OOC schedule was taxing and destroyed their confidence, but what about all the other years? She had a career season with someone else's players, and other than that hasn't been very good.
I took it a step further, I took away her best season and her worst season, then ran the average W/L total. 15.5 wins, 15.5 losses. .500
.500 CANNOT be the expectation for what ETSU called in 2015: "“have the highest level of media exposure and also have significant revenue capability.” They also have “the greatest fan interest and therefore have the greatest opportunity to expose the ETSU brand and engage the largest number of constituents,” (Sander, JC Press 2015). They also said: "With a higher level of commitments come added pressure, so the sports in the upper tiers will be expected to win.

The basketball teams are expected to compete for the Southern Conference championships and participate in a postseason tournament each year. In addition, the men should sell 2,500 season tickets and the women 800. Both are expected to sell out four home games and play at least three teams in the top 50 each season," (Sander, JC Press).
Based on the numbers and the expectations that ol' Dickard set forth before he retired.
Here's the link to the 2015 article just as a refresher.
https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/...iered-plan

Up to them, or you if you have the money to support a buy out. I think she deserves another year, and I would hate to see them take money away from men's basketball or football, or something else, for a buy out. Let her finish out her contract and see where things lie. I think that's the best use of resources here.
03-09-2019 07:30 AM
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(03-09-2019 07:30 AM)Efan Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 10:45 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  One would suspect that since ETSU considers women's basketball as a tier 1 sport, that they have an expectation to compete for conference championships. Perhaps the OOC schedule was taxing and destroyed their confidence, but what about all the other years? She had a career season with someone else's players, and other than that hasn't been very good.
I took it a step further, I took away her best season and her worst season, then ran the average W/L total. 15.5 wins, 15.5 losses. .500
.500 CANNOT be the expectation for what ETSU called in 2015: "“have the highest level of media exposure and also have significant revenue capability.” They also have “the greatest fan interest and therefore have the greatest opportunity to expose the ETSU brand and engage the largest number of constituents,” (Sander, JC Press 2015). They also said: "With a higher level of commitments come added pressure, so the sports in the upper tiers will be expected to win.

The basketball teams are expected to compete for the Southern Conference championships and participate in a postseason tournament each year. In addition, the men should sell 2,500 season tickets and the women 800. Both are expected to sell out four home games and play at least three teams in the top 50 each season," (Sander, JC Press).
Based on the numbers and the expectations that ol' Dickard set forth before he retired.
Here's the link to the 2015 article just as a refresher.
https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/...iered-plan

Up to them, or you if you have the money to support a buy out. I think she deserves another year, and I would hate to see them take money away from men's basketball or football, or something else, for a buy out. Let her finish out her contract and see where things lie. I think that's the best use of resources here.

Agreed. No need for expensive buy outs.
03-09-2019 08:48 AM
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So after six years with the expectation to compete for and win championships, you want to revert back to penny pinching... Seems legit.
03-09-2019 10:59 PM
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(03-09-2019 10:59 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So after six years with the expectation to compete for and win championships, you want to revert back to penny pinching... Seems legit.

I'm not really taking a (strong) position here, as I think one can make a case both ways.......but I *am* pointing out that not trying to raise money for a buyout isn't "penny pinching". It's being responsible and standing up to one's word. I mean, we gave her a contract and all. It really bugs me in this day and age to see this trend towards hopping around from one coach to another if things don't work out for some reason. If you fear that, then don't make the contract so long. (Looking at you, dave mullins.) I know -- once again I'm spitting into the wind, but why, just why, can't people and organizations 'man up' and fulfill promises and contracts???

Now if Ezell *wants* to get bought out and move on, and that could be negotiated, then that's a different story. But I doubt seriously that's the case. Hey, ETSU women went 18-10/11-2 just last year. Then Tianna Tarter graduated. I just don't think this being a down year is that surprising. That's why I say at least one more year is warranted.
Not to mention.............women's college basketball is more competitive now than it was 10 years ago when Kemp had her glory years. You may question that, but I think it's just true. More universities "take it seriously" and put more money into it. I can't say that the SoCon is a stronger conference than it was 10 years ago - but I would imagine that overall it is. Hard to look at that empirically, tho. Further, until this season, she had 4 winning seasons in a row, after inheriting a bad team from Kemp and having a losing season her first year here. Meaning............this is her first losing season with *her* players. I know you all know the phrase "makes everyone around [him/her] better". Well..............Tarter was as good an example as one can find. She was *way* more than just her individual stats.

The whole point of all this is that we won't know until next year, at best, whether this year was an aberration, or a trend. IMO.
03-10-2019 12:13 PM
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What we know is that over her career as a division I head basketball coach, she's a sub .500 coach who's never been to the NCAA tournament and the person who followed her at Belmont keeps winning the OVC.
Six years is hardly hopping around, that's a full recruiting cycle with zero conference titles in a bad league.
03-12-2019 09:23 PM
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(03-12-2019 09:23 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  What we know is that over her career as a division I head basketball coach, she's a sub .500 coach who's never been to the NCAA tournament and the person who followed her at Belmont keeps winning the OVC.
Six years is hardly hopping around, that's a full recruiting cycle with zero conference titles in a bad league.

I wasn't saying ETSU was hopping around. I was decrying that trend - instead of living up to one's word as an institution - or as a coach. No, neither Ezell or ETSU has been hopping around. I was generalizing as "It really bugs me in this day and age....." I thought indicated.

I don't know when her contract runs through, but lets not extend it until we see an upward trend. You haven't specifically said to buy her out (I don't think), but that is the implication. I'm saying......let whatever the current contract is stay as is until we can see improvement. If not, then let the contract run out, and be looking elsewhere in the last year of it (or however best to wind it down with the least damage possible). Yes, that's idealistic; but that's what we should aim for.

Again, even tho it may seem like it, I don't have a strong position here. Just seems to me this is her first losing season with her players - just after losing Tarter. Far from optimal, sure; time to can her? Not yet.

Could we do better? Maybe. But we have a contract, remember? Let's not be UT, please.
03-13-2019 02:34 AM
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Ezell signed a 5 year contract extension last year, making $150,000 per year. Seems like a buyout would cost us at least $600,000. She isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
03-14-2019 08:24 AM
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(03-14-2019 08:24 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Ezell signed a 5 year contract extension last year, making $150,000 per year. Seems like a buyout would cost us at least $600,000. She isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Yep not for about four more years.
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(03-14-2019 10:37 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(03-14-2019 08:24 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Ezell signed a 5 year contract extension last year, making $150,000 per year. Seems like a buyout would cost us at least $600,000. She isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Yep not for about four more years.

I was told, and a FOI would prove it, that Ezell makes 200K and is the highest paid women's coach in the SoCon. In addition to her 150K salary, she gets an additional 50K stipend for additional speaking duties for the Athletic Department......Never won the SoCon title, Never been to the NCAA Tournament, and has a career losing record. Why in the world has her salary increased nearly 70K since she's been at ETSU with these type of results? She was picked to win the SoCon this year and won a total of 10 games.....
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I would like to see what attendance has done over the last 5 years. Hopefully Scott Carter is looking at that and academic progress of the players to help make a full evaluation.
03-16-2019 08:06 AM
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It is just difficult for me to determine what the expectations are. It kind of reminds me of the Tony Skole tenure where the teams were not great but were not horrible either. It appears as a great opportunity for ETSU to become one of the dominant teams in the SoCon. It is a relatively weak league and with the right impetus we could become competitive with Mercer and therefore compete for the championship. It seems to me we are missing a chance here.
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(03-16-2019 08:24 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  It is just difficult for me to determine what the expectations are. It kind of reminds me of the Tony Skole tenure where the teams were not great but were not horrible either. It appears as a great opportunity for ETSU to become one of the dominant teams in the SoCon. It is a relatively weak league and with the right impetus we could become competitive with Mercer and therefore compete for the championship. It seems to me we are missing a chance here.

Women's basketball is classified as a tier one sport. The expectations were laid out in an article in 2015 that I posted a link too earlier in the thread. If she's making 200,000 dollars a year for losing in a weak league, then whoever is responsible for that contract extension should be terminated.
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