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I apologize if this is the case, JRsec. When you said "You numb nuts" after stating I misstated, I felt I was included.

I truly respect a lot of folks on here and I'm always up for a good debate.

Again, sorry if I misspoke to you or anybody else.
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(01-26-2019 02:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I apologize if this is the case, JRsec. When you said "You numb nuts" after stating I misstated, I felt I was included.

I truly respect a lot of folks on here and I'm always up for a good debate.

Again, sorry if I misspoke to you or anybody else.

I think you are a fine poster and no I wasn't referencing you. I was referencing the drive by, must not have followed the tenor of the thread, anti-SEC anti South spew of Fighting Muskie.

If he had read the thread he would have directed his comments to the ACC posters. If he had read the thread he would have realized I supported the Big 10's position on this.
Why did I respond? Because these kinds of posts misdirect the whole discussion of a thread, confuse the readers, and create needless problems. He had a pet peeve, thought he saw an opportunity to spout off, took it, and didn't bother to see if it was in order in this thread. Stopping stuff like that is a pet peeve of mine.

I would think that the Athletic Departments of the Big 10 schools would prefer to keep 7 home games as well. The problem in the SEC is that when we schedule other P5's the networks push for an early season neutral site game to hype it. We would much rather play a home and home like Auburn had scheduled with Clemson, Washington, now Oregon, and soon Penn State. With neutral site games both schools lose a home date, and with it revenue, unless the networks guarantee a large enough payout to cover that loss. It's all business. The Big 12 plays a round robin only because they just have 10 schools. Their CCG is a guaranteed redo and really needless. And as I've stated earlier I'm perfectly happy playing all P games and playing all conference games in the regular season. It would lend an air of intrigue to the CFP and season ending bowls. What it wouldn't do is give networks a talking point to pick who they wished for ratings over the champions of the conferences.

BTW: Even when the University earns more with a neutral site game we still take a hit. Local merchant's despise them and they have long been some of the most ardent supporters of the Athletic Department. One early season loss at a neutral site game can kill their business for the Fall in terms of licensed merchandise sales, especially if we have a second loss by the 4th or 5th game. They love to open with a cupcake and have a big game in week 3. That virtually assures them of a good year's sales no matter how the rest of the season plays out. But even if we win that neutral site game they still might suffer the effects of a down sales year if we only had a 6 home games. Eight conference games gives us flexibility to have neutral site games and keep 7 home games on the schedule. It's the A.D.'s way of trying to please everyone, the networks, local merchants, fans, and coaches.
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(01-26-2019 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 02:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I apologize if this is the case, JRsec. When you said "You numb nuts" after stating I misstated, I felt I was included.

I truly respect a lot of folks on here and I'm always up for a good debate.

Again, sorry if I misspoke to you or anybody else.

I think you are a fine poster and no I wasn't referencing you. I was referencing the drive by, must not have followed the tenor of the thread, anti-SEC anti South spew of Fighting Muskie.

If he had read the thread he would have directed his comments to the ACC posters. If he had read the thread he would have realized I supported the Big 10's position on this.
Why did I respond? Because these kinds of posts misdirect the whole discussion of a thread, confuse the readers, and create needless problems. He had a pet peeve, thought he saw an opportunity to spout off, took it, and didn't bother to see if it was in order in this thread. Stopping stuff like that is a pet peeve of mine.

I would think that the Athletic Departments of the Big 10 schools would prefer to keep 7 home games as well. The problem in the SEC is that when we schedule other P5's the networks push for an early season neutral site game to hype it. We would much rather play a home and home like Auburn had scheduled with Clemson, Washington, now Oregon, and soon Penn State. With neutral site games both schools lose a home date, and with it revenue, unless the networks guarantee a large enough payout to cover that loss. It's all business. The Big 12 plays a round robin only because they just have 10 schools. Their CCG is a guaranteed redo and really needless. And as I've stated earlier I'm perfectly happy playing all P games and playing all conference games in the regular season. It would lend an air of intrigue to the CFP and season ending bowls. What it wouldn't do is give networks a talking point to pick who they wished for ratings over the champions of the conferences.
Totally agree! 12 conference games is basically a season long playoff. I would also think it would be easier for the USF's of the world to get in too. So many teams would be eliminated going this route. But no divisions with this many conference games I would think the networks could still get what they want with top tier matchups?

Take care!
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RE: 2019 Big Ten football schedule: softest EVER?
(01-25-2019 02:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 01:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FBSchedules commented on the Big Ten 2019 Football schedule this off season... it's softer than a mountain of pillows! Five B1G teams - including both Ohio State and Wisconsin - don't play a single P5 non-conference opponent, and two teams - Indiana and Minnesota - play no P5's AND get an FCS game too. I wrote about it on ACCFootballRx and came to this conclusion myself:

Quote:The Big Ten has played a very easy non-conference schedule for many years, but the 2019 schedule may be the softest schedule they've ever played as a group. Just remember this: if the Big Ten Championship Game comes down to Ohio State vs. Wisconsin, no matter what the teams' overall record, they will have ZERO P5 non-conference wins between them!

Given that a Buckeyes/Badgers CCG is a VERY real possibility... will that result in the Big Ten missing the playoffs yet again?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...-2019.html
I seen where a school from another conference has Old Dominion, Furman and Rhode Island on their non conference slate next year. As always though, "it's the best way to schedule with the new CFP format now". You know, what everybody has been saying the last few years? Just win your games and get in!

As soon as the BIG does it though, "oh how can they possibly make the playoffs with no non-con P5 game. Well, every school in the BIG plays 9 P5 games a year no matter what.

Look, I get it, I would rather Ohio State play P5 teams every game but this is the new playoff era and here we are with "cupcakes" to help the win column.

Any analysis of Ohio State's OOC the previous six years and what they appear to have scheduled over the next seven years makes this a non-issue for me and I suspect Hokie Mark as well. And for the record, I voted "NO" to the poll question that it won't have any impact on whether a Big Ten team makes the CFP next year.

I realize you are still relatively new here and I actually get you being a bit upset by the OP in this thread (or rather more likely the linked piece Hokie Mark wrote on his site) and some of the subsequent comments but it was based upon another site's article and it was specifically looking at next year's schedule and it raises a legitimate question specifically to next year and Ohio State's likelihood of making next year's CFP, since the Buckeyes are viewed as THE premiere team in the Big Ten - and it's not even close. It wasn't meant to be a "forever and always" statement about the Big Ten, or even Ohio State since you say you have no regard for conference, at all.

In such an analysis, if one is interested in doing it at all, I would suppose the natural comparison would be between Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma since these programs have the best shot of representing their respective leagues next year and since the SEC is on another level entirely. You can pay me later JR. 03-wink

It's not about ACC fans "riding" on the coattails or in psychological terminology "basking in the glory of" Clemson's recent successes, at least not this time out or at least not consciously about that. One thing I would suggest to all relatively new posters is to take advantage of the Search option this site provides to look to see past posts made by others on topics that interest the new poster. If one does so then one can quickly pick out those posters that are genuinely good to great and those that are not. And for the latter there is also an Ignore option provided by this site as well.

Cheers,
Neil
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RE: 2019 Big Ten football schedule: softest EVER?
(01-26-2019 03:07 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 01:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FBSchedules commented on the Big Ten 2019 Football schedule this off season... it's softer than a mountain of pillows! Five B1G teams - including both Ohio State and Wisconsin - don't play a single P5 non-conference opponent, and two teams - Indiana and Minnesota - play no P5's AND get an FCS game too. I wrote about it on ACCFootballRx and came to this conclusion myself:

Quote:The Big Ten has played a very easy non-conference schedule for many years, but the 2019 schedule may be the softest schedule they've ever played as a group. Just remember this: if the Big Ten Championship Game comes down to Ohio State vs. Wisconsin, no matter what the teams' overall record, they will have ZERO P5 non-conference wins between them!

Given that a Buckeyes/Badgers CCG is a VERY real possibility... will that result in the Big Ten missing the playoffs yet again?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...-2019.html
I seen where a school from another conference has Old Dominion, Furman and Rhode Island on their non conference slate next year. As always though, "it's the best way to schedule with the new CFP format now". You know, what everybody has been saying the last few years? Just win your games and get in!

As soon as the BIG does it though, "oh how can they possibly make the playoffs with no non-con P5 game. Well, every school in the BIG plays 9 P5 games a year no matter what.

Look, I get it, I would rather Ohio State play P5 teams every game but this is the new playoff era and here we are with "cupcakes" to help the win column.

Any analysis of Ohio State's OOC the previous six years and what they appear to have scheduled over the next seven years makes this a non-issue for me and I suspect Hokie Mark as well. And for the record, I voted "NO" to the poll question that it won't have any impact on whether a Big Ten team makes the CFP next year.

I realize you are still relatively new here and I actually get you being a bit upset by the OP in this thread (or rather more likely the linked piece Hokie Mark wrote on his site) and some of the subsequent comments but it was based upon on another site's article and it was specifically looking at next year's schedule and it raises a legitimate question specifically to next year and Ohio State's likelihood of making next year's CFP, since the Buckeyes are viewed as THE premiere team in the Big Ten - and it's not even close. It wasn't meant to be a "forever and always" statement about the Big Ten, or even Ohio State since you say you have no regard for conference, at all.

In such an analysis, if one is interested in doing it at all, I would suppose the natural comparison would be between Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma since these programs have the best shot of representing their respective leagues next year and since the SEC is on another level entirely. You can pay me later JR. 03-wink

It's not about ACC fans "riding" on the coattails or in psychological terminology "basking in the glory of" Clemson's recent successes, at least not this time out or at least not consciously about that. One thing I would suggest to all relatively new posters is to take advantage of the Search option this site provides to look to see past posts made by others on topics that interest the new poster. If one does so then one can quickly pick out those posters that are genuinely good to great and those that are not. And for the latter there is also an Ignore option provided by this site as well.

Cheers,
Neil

I think I can with some assurance say that I've not known the Syracuse posters to piggyback off of anyone's success in the ACC. Though I wouldn't say that was true of all ACC fans.04-cheers
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(01-26-2019 01:14 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 12:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:37 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 06:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Meh, I dont know about Big Slow if you're talking about a conference as a whole. I mean the team known as the slowest, (Wisconsin), has had their way with those Super Duper, speedy, lightning fast ACC schools lately.

Now if you want to talk about individual schools? Yep, Ohio State looked really slow against Clemson. I know this is what you really wanted to say but for some reason you grouped a whole conference into it.

Ohio State is the Big Slow in it's entirety. Going to be sweet to listen tot he incessant whining of entitled suckeye fans whine when they get left out of the playoffs yet again.
Whining? Please show me on here where any Buckeye fans whined. I've never seen it at all. What I have seen is fans like you continue to say this but I never see it. To go even further, there was a post about Delany on here and CFP expansion. All I seen was people talking about BIG fans whining about being left out yet I never seen any of this on here.

I have a ton of respect for Clemson, even could become a dynasty with what Dabo is doing. But Clemson fans just suck. Kind of like Tennessee fans, it's like Napoleon disease or something like that. Insecure about there own success and bash others to feel bigger. Yes, you're small! It's okay shorty, we dont get offended by being called Suckeyes!

At least tell me I'm pretty good at trash talking. I've been working on it for a while and dont know if I'm quite there yet?

Nah, no O31-0 State fans were whining about geing left out of the playoffs.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohi...ns-the-cfp

Quote:Let's lay out the facts here:

1) ESPN owns the CFP

2) ESPN is a major investor in the SEC network

3) The CFP committee just said "if Oklahoma would have lost, we would have put a two loss Georgia in over an 1 loss Big 10 conference champion"

4) What's better for ESPN? A Big 10 team or a 2 loss SEC team?

I'm fine with Oklahoma getting in, similar resume to us but that 20+ point loss to Purdue killed us. What I am not okay with is Georgia being ranked ahead of us. Sets the precedence that unless you have a undefeated BIG 10 champ, we will put a 2 loss SEC team in over you...ridiculous

Quote:I used to think such commentary was spewed by the tin foil hat wearing lunatic fringe.

Not anymore.

And there's examples just like that all over the internet. If you can't see and admit it then that's on you, not me.
We are not on Eleven Warriors site though are we, Kaplony? I guess if you go to the team specific site you might find whining.. duh! Like I said , show me on this site all the whining from Ohio State and BIG fans.

The only people that whine on here are ACC fans more than any other group. They ride the back of Clemson and degrade all others, plain and simple!

I'll go one step further, why do you think fan bases as large as BIG teams and even Notre Dame dont have very many fans on this site? It's really simple, we dont really care that much about conference pride. That's all this site has become, "I'm in the same conference as the current National Champion" so I cant have a civilized conversation with a fan from Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State etc... I was warned by others before joining but I really wanted the point of view from other regions.

One last thing. It really wasn't that long ago when we were in the BCS format. Remember that ACC fanboys? Remember that wonderful record you all had in BCS bowl games? Ok, just making sure you all still remember the RECENT past beyond Ohio State- Clemson! And dont forget, as we stand today the BIG and SEC have the same amount of SCOOLS that have won National Championships in the CFP.

Later!!!

I’m still kind of new on anything Penn State. I’ve been invited to alumni gatherings, the annual picnic, watch football games and when they won the NIT last year, etc and all I can say is I haven’t met a PSU fan that’s a B1G fan. In fact, I’ve been told the only people who ride the backs of the conference are fans from schools like Illinois, Minnesota and the newbies. A Penn State fan might root for let’s say Indiana (in a condescending way more than anything else) in a bowl game against a big football school or maybe (and that’s a big maybe) Nebraska since they have classy fans but they’ll never root for Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin or chant “Big Ten”.

As for ACC fans on this board, it’s mostly fans from former Big East schools. If you ever visited the Big East board during the BCS era, it was a “us against them” mentality since the media didn’t get the BE the respect they deserved and gave the ACC a pass. The Big East BCS record was way better than the ACC’s and they usually held their own against what was perceived as better competition. They took that mentality with them to the ACC. With all the success of Clemson and the issues the Big XII and Pac-12 might have, the ACC is still seen as a weak conference. West Virginia fans learned right away conference pride is non existent in the Big XII. Same for Rutgers in the Big Ten.
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RE: 2019 Big Ten football schedule: softest EVER?
(01-26-2019 03:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 03:07 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 01:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FBSchedules commented on the Big Ten 2019 Football schedule this off season... it's softer than a mountain of pillows! Five B1G teams - including both Ohio State and Wisconsin - don't play a single P5 non-conference opponent, and two teams - Indiana and Minnesota - play no P5's AND get an FCS game too. I wrote about it on ACCFootballRx and came to this conclusion myself:

Quote:The Big Ten has played a very easy non-conference schedule for many years, but the 2019 schedule may be the softest schedule they've ever played as a group. Just remember this: if the Big Ten Championship Game comes down to Ohio State vs. Wisconsin, no matter what the teams' overall record, they will have ZERO P5 non-conference wins between them!

Given that a Buckeyes/Badgers CCG is a VERY real possibility... will that result in the Big Ten missing the playoffs yet again?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...-2019.html
I seen where a school from another conference has Old Dominion, Furman and Rhode Island on their non conference slate next year. As always though, "it's the best way to schedule with the new CFP format now". You know, what everybody has been saying the last few years? Just win your games and get in!

As soon as the BIG does it though, "oh how can they possibly make the playoffs with no non-con P5 game. Well, every school in the BIG plays 9 P5 games a year no matter what.

Look, I get it, I would rather Ohio State play P5 teams every game but this is the new playoff era and here we are with "cupcakes" to help the win column.

Any analysis of Ohio State's OOC the previous six years and what they appear to have scheduled over the next seven years makes this a non-issue for me and I suspect Hokie Mark as well. And for the record, I voted "NO" to the poll question that it won't have any impact on whether a Big Ten team makes the CFP next year.

I realize you are still relatively new here and I actually get you being a bit upset by the OP in this thread (or rather more likely the linked piece Hokie Mark wrote on his site) and some of the subsequent comments but it was based upon on another site's article and it was specifically looking at next year's schedule and it raises a legitimate question specifically to next year and Ohio State's likelihood of making next year's CFP, since the Buckeyes are viewed as THE premiere team in the Big Ten - and it's not even close. It wasn't meant to be a "forever and always" statement about the Big Ten, or even Ohio State since you say you have no regard for conference, at all.

In such an analysis, if one is interested in doing it at all, I would suppose the natural comparison would be between Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma since these programs have the best shot of representing their respective leagues next year and since the SEC is on another level entirely. You can pay me later JR. 03-wink

It's not about ACC fans "riding" on the coattails or in psychological terminology "basking in the glory of" Clemson's recent successes, at least not this time out or at least not consciously about that. One thing I would suggest to all relatively new posters is to take advantage of the Search option this site provides to look to see past posts made by others on topics that interest the new poster. If one does so then one can quickly pick out those posters that are genuinely good to great and those that are not. And for the latter there is also an Ignore option provided by this site as well.

Cheers,
Neil

I think I can with some assurance say that I've not known the Syracuse posters to piggyback off of anyone's success in the ACC. Though I wouldn't say that was true of all ACC fans.04-cheers

Probably due to that northern "arrogance", which we like to refer to as "intelligence". 03-wink

Which only furthers the "arrogance" stereotype. 03-lmfao

04-cheers
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RE: 2019 Big Ten football schedule: softest EVER?
(01-26-2019 03:07 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 01:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FBSchedules commented on the Big Ten 2019 Football schedule this off season... it's softer than a mountain of pillows! Five B1G teams - including both Ohio State and Wisconsin - don't play a single P5 non-conference opponent, and two teams - Indiana and Minnesota - play no P5's AND get an FCS game too. I wrote about it on ACCFootballRx and came to this conclusion myself:

Quote:The Big Ten has played a very easy non-conference schedule for many years, but the 2019 schedule may be the softest schedule they've ever played as a group. Just remember this: if the Big Ten Championship Game comes down to Ohio State vs. Wisconsin, no matter what the teams' overall record, they will have ZERO P5 non-conference wins between them!

Given that a Buckeyes/Badgers CCG is a VERY real possibility... will that result in the Big Ten missing the playoffs yet again?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...-2019.html
I seen where a school from another conference has Old Dominion, Furman and Rhode Island on their non conference slate next year. As always though, "it's the best way to schedule with the new CFP format now". You know, what everybody has been saying the last few years? Just win your games and get in!

As soon as the BIG does it though, "oh how can they possibly make the playoffs with no non-con P5 game. Well, every school in the BIG plays 9 P5 games a year no matter what.

Look, I get it, I would rather Ohio State play P5 teams every game but this is the new playoff era and here we are with "cupcakes" to help the win column.

Any analysis of Ohio State's OOC the previous six years and what they appear to have scheduled over the next seven years makes this a non-issue for me and I suspect Hokie Mark as well. And for the record, I voted "NO" to the poll question that it won't have any impact on whether a Big Ten team makes the CFP next year.

I realize you are still relatively new here and I actually get you being a bit upset by the OP in this thread (or rather more likely the linked piece Hokie Mark wrote on his site) and some of the subsequent comments but it was based upon another site's article and it was specifically looking at next year's schedule and it raises a legitimate question specifically to next year and Ohio State's likelihood of making next year's CFP, since the Buckeyes are viewed as THE premiere team in the Big Ten - and it's not even close. It wasn't meant to be a "forever and always" statement about the Big Ten, or even Ohio State since you say you have no regard for conference, at all.

In such an analysis, if one is interested in doing it at all, I would suppose the natural comparison would be between Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma since these programs have the best shot of representing their respective leagues next year and since the SEC is on another level entirely. You can pay me later JR. 03-wink

It's not about ACC fans "riding" on the coattails or in psychological terminology "basking in the glory of" Clemson's recent successes, at least not this time out or at least not consciously about that. One thing I would suggest to all relatively new posters is to take advantage of the Search option this site provides to look to see past posts made by others on topics that interest the new poster. If one does so then one can quickly pick out those posters that are genuinely good to great and those that are not. And for the latter there is also an Ignore option provided by this site as well.

Cheers,
Neil
I appreciate your feedback. I will assure you that I have used tools offered here to navigate through the forums and threads. One thing I can absolutely promise you is that I will NEVER argue or debate without facts! I always post real facts and never speculate.

Yes, I am a new to this site but that doesn't make me stupid. I just found it funny that one, Hokie Mark posted BIG scheduling in the ACC forum and two, that he also posted it here. It is absolutely his right to do so! But dont try to educate me on etiquette when I respond with facts please. In my educated opinion I responded factually and appropriately to this particular person who created this thread.

This is no disrespect to Hokie Mark at all, please dont take it that way. He likes to visit the Big Ten Forum from time to time. With past posts by him I felt my original comments where acceptable? Maybe I'm wrong?

Best of luck to Syracuse, hated losing to them in basketball this year. Also, looks like they have some good momentum moving forward in football!
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RE: 2019 Big Ten football schedule: softest EVER?
(01-26-2019 03:35 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 03:07 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 01:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FBSchedules commented on the Big Ten 2019 Football schedule this off season... it's softer than a mountain of pillows! Five B1G teams - including both Ohio State and Wisconsin - don't play a single P5 non-conference opponent, and two teams - Indiana and Minnesota - play no P5's AND get an FCS game too. I wrote about it on ACCFootballRx and came to this conclusion myself:

Quote:The Big Ten has played a very easy non-conference schedule for many years, but the 2019 schedule may be the softest schedule they've ever played as a group. Just remember this: if the Big Ten Championship Game comes down to Ohio State vs. Wisconsin, no matter what the teams' overall record, they will have ZERO P5 non-conference wins between them!

Given that a Buckeyes/Badgers CCG is a VERY real possibility... will that result in the Big Ten missing the playoffs yet again?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...-2019.html
I seen where a school from another conference has Old Dominion, Furman and Rhode Island on their non conference slate next year. As always though, "it's the best way to schedule with the new CFP format now". You know, what everybody has been saying the last few years? Just win your games and get in!

As soon as the BIG does it though, "oh how can they possibly make the playoffs with no non-con P5 game. Well, every school in the BIG plays 9 P5 games a year no matter what.

Look, I get it, I would rather Ohio State play P5 teams every game but this is the new playoff era and here we are with "cupcakes" to help the win column.

Any analysis of Ohio State's OOC the previous six years and what they appear to have scheduled over the next seven years makes this a non-issue for me and I suspect Hokie Mark as well. And for the record, I voted "NO" to the poll question that it won't have any impact on whether a Big Ten team makes the CFP next year.

I realize you are still relatively new here and I actually get you being a bit upset by the OP in this thread (or rather more likely the linked piece Hokie Mark wrote on his site) and some of the subsequent comments but it was based upon another site's article and it was specifically looking at next year's schedule and it raises a legitimate question specifically to next year and Ohio State's likelihood of making next year's CFP, since the Buckeyes are viewed as THE premiere team in the Big Ten - and it's not even close. It wasn't meant to be a "forever and always" statement about the Big Ten, or even Ohio State since you say you have no regard for conference, at all.

In such an analysis, if one is interested in doing it at all, I would suppose the natural comparison would be between Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma since these programs have the best shot of representing their respective leagues next year and since the SEC is on another level entirely. You can pay me later JR. 03-wink

It's not about ACC fans "riding" on the coattails or in psychological terminology "basking in the glory of" Clemson's recent successes, at least not this time out or at least not consciously about that. One thing I would suggest to all relatively new posters is to take advantage of the Search option this site provides to look to see past posts made by others on topics that interest the new poster. If one does so then one can quickly pick out those posters that are genuinely good to great and those that are not. And for the latter there is also an Ignore option provided by this site as well.

Cheers,
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I appreciate your feedback. I will assure you that I have used tools offered here to navigate through the forums and threads. One thing I can absolutely promise you is that I will NEVER argue or debate without facts! I always post real facts and never speculate.

Yes, I am a new to this site but that doesn't make me stupid. I just found it funny that one, Hokie Mark posted BIG scheduling in the ACC forum and two, that he also posted it here. It is absolutely his right to do so! But dont try to educate me on etiquette when I respond with facts please. In my educated opinion I responded factually and appropriately to this particular person who created this thread.

This is no disrespect to Hokie Mark at all, please dont take it that way. He likes to visit the Big Ten Forum from time to time. With past posts by him I felt my original comments where acceptable? Maybe I'm wrong?

Best of luck to Syracuse, hated losing to them in basketball this year. Also, looks like they have some good momentum moving forward in football!

Well thanks for the SU props and I wish to say that I have great respect for Ohio State athletics overall, it's just the Big Ten and particularly its commissioner I hate. 05-stirthepot

As for your "fact based" posts, I don't believe I questioned that at all since I basically agreed with your stance. I just think some of the conclusions you were drawing from said facts drifted into personal biases, which happens to all of us. Of which I am as guilty as others.

Looking forward to your future participation and posts on these boards.

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(01-26-2019 04:07 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 03:35 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 03:07 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 01:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FBSchedules commented on the Big Ten 2019 Football schedule this off season... it's softer than a mountain of pillows! Five B1G teams - including both Ohio State and Wisconsin - don't play a single P5 non-conference opponent, and two teams - Indiana and Minnesota - play no P5's AND get an FCS game too. I wrote about it on ACCFootballRx and came to this conclusion myself:


Given that a Buckeyes/Badgers CCG is a VERY real possibility... will that result in the Big Ten missing the playoffs yet again?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...-2019.html
I seen where a school from another conference has Old Dominion, Furman and Rhode Island on their non conference slate next year. As always though, "it's the best way to schedule with the new CFP format now". You know, what everybody has been saying the last few years? Just win your games and get in!

As soon as the BIG does it though, "oh how can they possibly make the playoffs with no non-con P5 game. Well, every school in the BIG plays 9 P5 games a year no matter what.

Look, I get it, I would rather Ohio State play P5 teams every game but this is the new playoff era and here we are with "cupcakes" to help the win column.

Any analysis of Ohio State's OOC the previous six years and what they appear to have scheduled over the next seven years makes this a non-issue for me and I suspect Hokie Mark as well. And for the record, I voted "NO" to the poll question that it won't have any impact on whether a Big Ten team makes the CFP next year.

I realize you are still relatively new here and I actually get you being a bit upset by the OP in this thread (or rather more likely the linked piece Hokie Mark wrote on his site) and some of the subsequent comments but it was based upon another site's article and it was specifically looking at next year's schedule and it raises a legitimate question specifically to next year and Ohio State's likelihood of making next year's CFP, since the Buckeyes are viewed as THE premiere team in the Big Ten - and it's not even close. It wasn't meant to be a "forever and always" statement about the Big Ten, or even Ohio State since you say you have no regard for conference, at all.

In such an analysis, if one is interested in doing it at all, I would suppose the natural comparison would be between Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma since these programs have the best shot of representing their respective leagues next year and since the SEC is on another level entirely. You can pay me later JR. 03-wink

It's not about ACC fans "riding" on the coattails or in psychological terminology "basking in the glory of" Clemson's recent successes, at least not this time out or at least not consciously about that. One thing I would suggest to all relatively new posters is to take advantage of the Search option this site provides to look to see past posts made by others on topics that interest the new poster. If one does so then one can quickly pick out those posters that are genuinely good to great and those that are not. And for the latter there is also an Ignore option provided by this site as well.

Cheers,
Neil
I appreciate your feedback. I will assure you that I have used tools offered here to navigate through the forums and threads. One thing I can absolutely promise you is that I will NEVER argue or debate without facts! I always post real facts and never speculate.

Yes, I am a new to this site but that doesn't make me stupid. I just found it funny that one, Hokie Mark posted BIG scheduling in the ACC forum and two, that he also posted it here. It is absolutely his right to do so! But dont try to educate me on etiquette when I respond with facts please. In my educated opinion I responded factually and appropriately to this particular person who created this thread.

This is no disrespect to Hokie Mark at all, please dont take it that way. He likes to visit the Big Ten Forum from time to time. With past posts by him I felt my original comments where acceptable? Maybe I'm wrong?

Best of luck to Syracuse, hated losing to them in basketball this year. Also, looks like they have some good momentum moving forward in football!

Well thanks for the SU props and I wish to say that I have great respect for Ohio State athletics overall, it's just the Big Ten and particularly its commissioner I hate. 05-stirthepot

As for your "fact based" posts, I don't believe I questioned that at all since I basically agreed with your stance. I just think some of the conclusions you were drawing from said facts drifted into personal biases, which happens to all of us. Of which I am as guilty as others.

Looking forward to your future participation and posts on these boards.

Cheers,
Neil
Thank you, Sir! Appreciate the feedback and will be a better poster because of it.

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(01-26-2019 03:30 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 03:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 03:07 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:27 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 01:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FBSchedules commented on the Big Ten 2019 Football schedule this off season... it's softer than a mountain of pillows! Five B1G teams - including both Ohio State and Wisconsin - don't play a single P5 non-conference opponent, and two teams - Indiana and Minnesota - play no P5's AND get an FCS game too. I wrote about it on ACCFootballRx and came to this conclusion myself:


Given that a Buckeyes/Badgers CCG is a VERY real possibility... will that result in the Big Ten missing the playoffs yet again?

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...-2019.html
I seen where a school from another conference has Old Dominion, Furman and Rhode Island on their non conference slate next year. As always though, "it's the best way to schedule with the new CFP format now". You know, what everybody has been saying the last few years? Just win your games and get in!

As soon as the BIG does it though, "oh how can they possibly make the playoffs with no non-con P5 game. Well, every school in the BIG plays 9 P5 games a year no matter what.

Look, I get it, I would rather Ohio State play P5 teams every game but this is the new playoff era and here we are with "cupcakes" to help the win column.

Any analysis of Ohio State's OOC the previous six years and what they appear to have scheduled over the next seven years makes this a non-issue for me and I suspect Hokie Mark as well. And for the record, I voted "NO" to the poll question that it won't have any impact on whether a Big Ten team makes the CFP next year.

I realize you are still relatively new here and I actually get you being a bit upset by the OP in this thread (or rather more likely the linked piece Hokie Mark wrote on his site) and some of the subsequent comments but it was based upon on another site's article and it was specifically looking at next year's schedule and it raises a legitimate question specifically to next year and Ohio State's likelihood of making next year's CFP, since the Buckeyes are viewed as THE premiere team in the Big Ten - and it's not even close. It wasn't meant to be a "forever and always" statement about the Big Ten, or even Ohio State since you say you have no regard for conference, at all.

In such an analysis, if one is interested in doing it at all, I would suppose the natural comparison would be between Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma since these programs have the best shot of representing their respective leagues next year and since the SEC is on another level entirely. You can pay me later JR. 03-wink

It's not about ACC fans "riding" on the coattails or in psychological terminology "basking in the glory of" Clemson's recent successes, at least not this time out or at least not consciously about that. One thing I would suggest to all relatively new posters is to take advantage of the Search option this site provides to look to see past posts made by others on topics that interest the new poster. If one does so then one can quickly pick out those posters that are genuinely good to great and those that are not. And for the latter there is also an Ignore option provided by this site as well.

Cheers,
Neil

I think I can with some assurance say that I've not known the Syracuse posters to piggyback off of anyone's success in the ACC. Though I wouldn't say that was true of all ACC fans.04-cheers

Probably due to that northern "arrogance", which we like to refer to as "intelligence". 03-wink

Which only furthers the "arrogance" stereotype. 03-lmfao

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(01-26-2019 02:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 10:08 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So Ohio State plays two P5 schools last season and gets crap for not having any scheduled in 2019?

Based on this comment, I expect you to defend Washington for having no P5 non-conference opponents scheduled in 2019, just because Washington, like Ohio State, played one in 2018. 07-coffee3

Washington only played one P5 in 2018 while Ohio State played two. Based on that, I'm much more willing to give OSU a pass for the following year than UW. I'm definitely very worthy of being criticized but I don't understand what about my comment above you deem invalid.

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Did you expect that no one would notice that you're referring to Ohio State playing Oregon State in 2018? Congratulations to ol' Urban. That's some courageous P5 scheduling right there! Maybe the new guy will schedule Kansas if he's looking for a nonconference challenge.

But of course you'd give Alabama credit for tough nonconference scheduling if they played Rutgers. Right?
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(01-26-2019 05:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 09:48 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 02:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 10:08 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So Ohio State plays two P5 schools last season and gets crap for not having any scheduled in 2019?

Based on this comment, I expect you to defend Washington for having no P5 non-conference opponents scheduled in 2019, just because Washington, like Ohio State, played one in 2018. 07-coffee3

Washington only played one P5 in 2018 while Ohio State played two. Based on that, I'm much more willing to give OSU a pass for the following year than UW. I'm definitely very worthy of being criticized but I don't understand what about my comment above you deem invalid.

03-lmfao

Did you expect that no one would notice that you're referring to Ohio State playing Oregon State in 2018? Congratulations to ol' Urban. That's some courageous P5 scheduling right there! Maybe the new guy will schedule Kansas if he's looking for a nonconference challenge.

But of course you'd give Alabama credit for tough nonconference scheduling if they played Rutgers. Right?
Well, when Ohio State scheduled them 10 years ago they were actually goo......wait, never mind. Plus, he never said they scheduled 2 GOOD P5 schools!?!?

I actually would be interested in an Alabama vs Rutgers game. I might be the only one but I would find it a bit intriguing.
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Hokie Mark here. I've been out all day and unable to explain myself, but I'd like to try now if I may...

(1) I recognize that the OVERALL strength of schedule for Ohio State is very good, including as it does Penn State, Michigan State, Michigan and this year from the West: Nebraska, Northwestern and Wisconsin. There are a total of 9 P5 games and 6 of those opponents are expected to be formidable.

(2) That said, it dodges the entire point of NON-Conference games. Without appropriate OOC games it's nearly impossible to judge a team versus the FBS field in general (and thus, whether that team is deserving of a playoff spot or no).

(3) This year the Big Ten has an unusual number of teams which either play an FCS team, don't play any P5 teams, or in 3 cases, do both.

(4) What makes it interesting is the VERY unusual case of Ohio State and Wisconsin BOTH lacking any P5 opponents - setting up the very real dilemma of an Ohio State vs. Wisconsin B1G CCG. Suppose one of those teams goes undefeated - but the rest of the Big Ten (for the sake of argument here) goes winless against P5 opponents... how could you prove that the champ is REALLY deserving with essentially ZERO data points?
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(01-26-2019 06:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Hokie Mark here. I've been out all day and unable to explain myself, but I'd like to try now if I may...

(1) I recognize that the OVERALL strength of schedule for Ohio State is very good, including as it does Penn State, Michigan State, Michigan and this year from the West: Nebraska, Northwestern and Wisconsin. There are a total of 9 P5 games and 6 of those opponents are expected to be formidable.

(2) That said, it dodges the entire point of NON-Conference games. Without appropriate OOC games it's nearly impossible to judge a team versus the FBS field in general (and thus, whether that team is deserving of a playoff spot or no).

(3) This year the Big Ten has an unusual number of teams which either play an FCS team, don't play any P5 teams, or in 3 cases, do both.

(4) What makes it interesting is the VERY unusual case of Ohio State and Wisconsin BOTH lacking any P5 opponents - setting up the very real dilemma of an Ohio State vs. Wisconsin B1G CCG. Suppose one of those teams goes undefeated - but the rest of the Big Ten (for the sake of argument here) goes winless against P5 opponents... how could you prove that the champ is REALLY deserving with essentially ZERO data points?
I respect your opinion, I truly do but I just dont agree.

To me, 9 is 9 Regardless of conference. If you think it doesn't matter you are lying to yourself. To me personally it's much more risky playing 9 conference games than it is to play 8 and schedule a non-con P5 of your schools choice. Do you see what I mean? For example, Ohio State played 9 con games and 2 non-con games last year vs P5. Oregon State gets credit for being P5, just for the fact they are P5? No, I dont think that shows you anything does it? That's what you are saying though just for the fact they are P5 so it makes your schedule better. TCU was a great non-con game but that failed too with them being down last year. So those two did nothing for Ohio State in the committees eyes at all last year. So they could have just as easily scheduled Cincinnati and Toledo and it would have been just the same.

My point is, Ohio State was left out last year ONLY because of a very bad loss to Purdue. I agree with them being left out. Cant be beat that bad and say you belong.

Conference games are the most important and more should be added to ALL conferences. Why? For the exact argument you have with not scheduling non-con P5. How do you know the team representing your conference is even the best in your conference when they only play 8 of the other 13 teams?

How can it be fixed? Increase conference games and get rid of divisions. This, in my opinion, maximizes every conferences full worth, strength and potential. Why do we need to know or have metrics of strength based on non-con P5 games? Isn't the suspense of the playoffs and not knowing how good teams are vs other P5 schools and conferences a great thing? Sure is to me!

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(01-26-2019 04:52 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 10:06 PM)utpotts Wrote:  2019 was supposed to be TCU’s return game to Columbus in the one for one deal then ESPN got involved.

I don't think that the Big Ten teams are allowed to play the "Best Available Reschedule" card. I could swear I've seen that card played for other teams, but it's just a vague recollection and I'm not about to go hunt up the receipts.

At least there is no FCS school on the schedule, like other top programs schedule every year.

The Big Ten tried to get an AD agreement on no FCS schools at all, but that got softened ~ AFAIR to you can't do it every year and there's a maximum number allowed total, which would still be constraining Indiana and a number of Western division schools compared to the FCS scheduling they were accustomed to.

I presume that effort was part of working toward getting best dollar for their media contract. I don't know all of the ins and outs, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some state politics involved ... for instance, perhaps the way that Iowa and Iowa State both tend to play Northern Iowa regularly involves political considerations in addition to the impact of an FCS game on the bottom line.

I've long wished that bowl eligibility was a winning record inside the subdivision, with the current non-losing record including FCS counters being the first fallback if all primary eligible schools have been placed. If the FCS game is to balance the books, get to five home games or to spread the financial benefits of buy games among in-state non-P5 schools, that's one thing, but if it's to hack out a bowl bid on a 6-6 season with a losing FBS record, I don't like to see schools with better FBS records sitting home during post-season exhibition game season.
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The issue is hypocrisy. Saying one thing, particularly preaching that one thing, and then doing another.

Cheating in college sports is one thing for example. Cheating and then claiming you never cheat is hypocrisy.

The B10 has a lot of mouth regarding certain issues or perhaps it's more to the point to say that Michigan has a lot of mouth and the Big 10 follows along to the tune.

The genesis of much of the Big 10 mouth is animus toward the South's Jim Crow policies - a legitimate issue when Jim Crow ran almost all of the South. I'm not equating Jim Crow with Michigan and other upper Mid-West anti-Catholic bias. It's really not even a close thing. But it was a thing.


Claiming that you are somehow better because you schedule MAC type programs as opposed to FCS programs is that type of hypocrisy, especially if you can't beat the Southern schools when you do meet on the football field.
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(01-27-2019 04:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The issue is hypocrisy. Saying one thing, particularly preaching that one thing, and then doing another.

Cheating in college sports is one thing for example. Cheating and then claiming you never cheat is hypocrisy.

The B10 has a lot of mouth regarding certain issues or perhaps it's more to the point to say that Michigan has a lot of mouth and the Big 10 follows along to the tune.

The genesis of much of the Big 10 mouth is animus toward the South's Jim Crow policies - a legitimate issue when Jim Crow ran almost all of the South. I'm not equating Jim Crow with Michigan and other upper Mid-West anti-Catholic bias. It's really not even a close thing. But it was a thing.


Claiming that you are somehow better because you schedule MAC type programs as opposed to FCS programs is that type of hypocrisy, especially if you can't beat the Southern schools when you do meet on the football field.
Hi Statefan! Since I've been pretty vocal on this thread I'd like to respond to your post.

First, 100% agree with your hypocrisy statement pertaining to cheating.

Next, I'm simply assuming but it sounds like you believe Michigan leads and the rest follow in this Conference? Well that would be completely false. Everybody has an equal voice in this conference and it is and always has been STABLE because of this.

The North (Big 10) has ill feelings towards racist Jim Crow laws? I'm just totally confused about this statement or why you made it to get your point across? Maybe I'm just not smart enough to see the point?

Lastly, I do know the Big 10 is 43-32 vs the ACC the last 20 years. Also, we are 34-48 vs the SEC. The ACC is 80-101vs the SEC. I would call this hypocrisy on your part too, would you agree with that? Only including the SEC in this conversation because you stated the BIG couldn't win games vs the South.

Anyways, I think we all have become a little bit of NCST fans with the Jimmy V foundation and what it does for cancer research. Like it was said, cancer touches us all and it surely has touched my family. Man, seeing him run across the court looking for someone to hug after winning the National championship. One of the greatest moments in sports history!

Take care!
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(01-27-2019 05:59 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-27-2019 04:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The issue is hypocrisy. Saying one thing, particularly preaching that one thing, and then doing another.

Cheating in college sports is one thing for example. Cheating and then claiming you never cheat is hypocrisy.

The B10 has a lot of mouth regarding certain issues or perhaps it's more to the point to say that Michigan has a lot of mouth and the Big 10 follows along to the tune.

The genesis of much of the Big 10 mouth is animus toward the South's Jim Crow policies - a legitimate issue when Jim Crow ran almost all of the South. I'm not equating Jim Crow with Michigan and other upper Mid-West anti-Catholic bias. It's really not even a close thing. But it was a thing.


Claiming that you are somehow better because you schedule MAC type programs as opposed to FCS programs is that type of hypocrisy, especially if you can't beat the Southern schools when you do meet on the football field.
Hi Statefan! Since I've been pretty vocal on this thread I'd like to respond to your post.

First, 100% agree with your hypocrisy statement pertaining to cheating.

Next, I'm simply assuming but it sounds like you believe Michigan leads and the rest follow in this Conference? Well that would be completely false. Everybody has an equal voice in this conference and it is and always has been STABLE because of this.

The North (Big 10) has ill feelings towards racist Jim Crow laws? I'm just totally confused about this statement or why you made it to get your point across? Maybe I'm just not smart enough to see the point?

Lastly, I do know the Big 10 is 43-32 vs the ACC the last 20 years. Also, we are 34-48 vs the SEC. The ACC is 80-101vs the SEC. I would call this hypocrisy on your part too, would you agree with that? Only including the SEC in this conversation because you stated the BIG couldn't win games vs the South.

Anyways, I think we all have become a little bit of NCST fans with the Jimmy V foundation and what it does for cancer research. Like it was said, cancer touches us all and it surely has touched my family. Man, seeing him run across the court looking for someone to hug after winning the National championship. One of the greatest moments in sports history!

Take care!

Jim Crow died in the SEC in the very early 70's after John McKay's USC team routed Alabama using black players. The next year Bear offered his first scholarships to African American athletes. By the time Herschel and Bo were running roughshod over opponents Jim Crow was a distant memory. I doubt seriously that even that school up North still pays much mind to it. If they tried to use it in recruiting today the athletes themselves would laugh in their faces.

The real trick to discerning the ACC/SEC record is to subtract games won by Clemson and Florida State and then look at the ratio.

The ACC middle however is strengthening. Their emphasis of gridiron competitiveness a few years ago has paid some dividends. What they lack that the Big 10 and SEC have are schools capable of making a run. I count 6 in the Big 10 and 8 in the SEC. The ACC legitimately has no more than 4 and two of those have been down for a decade or longer.
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(01-27-2019 06:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-27-2019 05:59 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(01-27-2019 04:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The issue is hypocrisy. Saying one thing, particularly preaching that one thing, and then doing another.

Cheating in college sports is one thing for example. Cheating and then claiming you never cheat is hypocrisy.

The B10 has a lot of mouth regarding certain issues or perhaps it's more to the point to say that Michigan has a lot of mouth and the Big 10 follows along to the tune.

The genesis of much of the Big 10 mouth is animus toward the South's Jim Crow policies - a legitimate issue when Jim Crow ran almost all of the South. I'm not equating Jim Crow with Michigan and other upper Mid-West anti-Catholic bias. It's really not even a close thing. But it was a thing.


Claiming that you are somehow better because you schedule MAC type programs as opposed to FCS programs is that type of hypocrisy, especially if you can't beat the Southern schools when you do meet on the football field.
Hi Statefan! Since I've been pretty vocal on this thread I'd like to respond to your post.

First, 100% agree with your hypocrisy statement pertaining to cheating.

Next, I'm simply assuming but it sounds like you believe Michigan leads and the rest follow in this Conference? Well that would be completely false. Everybody has an equal voice in this conference and it is and always has been STABLE because of this.

The North (Big 10) has ill feelings towards racist Jim Crow laws? I'm just totally confused about this statement or why you made it to get your point across? Maybe I'm just not smart enough to see the point?

Lastly, I do know the Big 10 is 43-32 vs the ACC the last 20 years. Also, we are 34-48 vs the SEC. The ACC is 80-101vs the SEC. I would call this hypocrisy on your part too, would you agree with that? Only including the SEC in this conversation because you stated the BIG couldn't win games vs the South.

Anyways, I think we all have become a little bit of NCST fans with the Jimmy V foundation and what it does for cancer research. Like it was said, cancer touches us all and it surely has touched my family. Man, seeing him run across the court looking for someone to hug after winning the National championship. One of the greatest moments in sports history!

Take care!

Jim Crow died in the SEC in the very early 70's after John McKay's USC team routed Alabama using black players. The next year Bear offered his first scholarships to African American athletes. By the time Herschel and Bo were running roughshod over opponents Jim Crow was a distant memory. I doubt seriously that even that school up North still pays much mind to it. If they tried to use it in recruiting today the athletes themselves would laugh in their faces.

The real trick to discerning the ACC/SEC record is to subtract games won by Clemson and Florida State and then look at the ratio.

The ACC middle however is strengthening. Their emphasis of gridiron competitiveness a few years ago has paid some dividends. What they lack that the Big 10 and SEC have are schools capable of making a run. I count 6 in the Big 10 and 8 in the SEC. The ACC legitimately has no more than 4 and two of those have been down for a decade or longer.
Thank you for clearing the air on the Jim Crow statement. I have actually been sitting here since I read it trying to figure out what he meant. Makes since what he was pertaining to but like you said, that statement is now a good 40 years out of date.

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