(01-31-2019 07:52 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 09:30 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  We all need to understand something. Not one player that was recruited to this team in the off season by Penny is a transformational player. They are pieces to a puzzle that is still being put together. I know they were rated high locally, but nationally, if these guys were on any top 25 team they’d be considered 4 year projects. And they were added to Tubbys Juco’s.

Next season is the year we add more pieces to the puzzle. But we most likely will be a fringe top 25 team most of the season and hopefully make a deep run. Now if we add another 5 star or 2 I’ll change that forecast.

Lower your expectations and give this thing 4 years. And be excited when we have an upset win. Expect many more games like last night. But also expect games like SMU. Enjoy the ride.

Just wanted to refresh this in everyone’s mind.

Amen brother.

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The second half comeback I watched was lead by Lomax and especially Harris, not sure what else they could have done. Jeremiah is only good when he is allowed to dribble the life out of the ball and play one on one, Parks is not good and Davenport takes too many plays off. Thornton always hustles.
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Exactly!! Great post!! +3

(01-30-2019 12:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

It is possible for both:

1. Getting Lomax and Harris, two players Smith would have let get away because he didn’t want to bother with recruiting, to commit to Memphis was a huge early coup for Hardaway, especially since the conventional wisdom was that he’d only get one or the other but not both. In just a few short months he was able to bring in a better class than Smith would have pulled together if he had stayed here.

And

2. Lomax and Harris are both sub 100 recruits who would have found it difficult to find playing time at Memphis as recently as the Pastner years. They are both four year pieces who are not the kind of guys who anyone should have expected to turn the program around on a dime.

...to be true.

That’s not having it both ways.

I think both will be fine... but I still cringe when they are on the floor together.

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

You must be here just to start trouble because everything you say is ignorant.

And thanks for the negative rep points.

(01-31-2019 08:58 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 12:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

It is possible for both:

1. Getting Lomax and Harris, two players Smith would have let get away because he didn’t want to bother with recruiting, to commit to Memphis was a huge early coup for Hardaway, especially since the conventional wisdom was that he’d only get one or the other but not both. In just a few short months he was able to bring in a better class than Smith would have pulled together if he had stayed here.

And

2. Lomax and Harris are both sub 100 recruits who would have found it difficult to find playing time at Memphis as recently as the Pastner years. They are both four year pieces who are not the kind of guys who anyone should have expected to turn the program around on a dime.

...to be true.

That’s not having it both ways.

I think both will be fine... but I still cringe when they are on the floor together.

That should be changing. The past two games our best and most explosive lineups have been with Alo and Harris on the court together. They are undersized but are both quickly figuring out how to adjust their game to the college game. I was worried at the beginning of the season but they are quickly eliminating my fear of them being on the court at the same time. They have two completely different styles of play which actually compliment each other's games very well.

(01-30-2019 12:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

It is possible for both:

1. Getting Lomax and Harris, two players Smith would have let get away because he didn’t want to bother with recruiting, to commit to Memphis was a huge early coup for Hardaway, especially since the conventional wisdom was that he’d only get one or the other but not both. In just a few short months he was able to bring in a better class than Smith would have pulled together if he had stayed here.

And

2. Lomax and Harris are both sub 100 recruits who would have found it difficult to find playing time at Memphis as recently as the Pastner years. They are both four year pieces who are not the kind of guys who anyone should have expected to turn the program around on a dime.

...to be true.

That’s not having it both ways.

Those are not mutually exclusive ideas as presented by the other poster...

(01-25-2019 09:32 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 09:30 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  We all need to understand something. Not one player that was recruited to this team in the off season by Penny is a transformational player. They are pieces to a puzzle that is still being put together. I know they were rated high locally, but nationally, if these guys were on any top 25 team they’d be considered 4 year projects. And they were added to Tubbys Juco’s.

Next season is the year we add more pieces to the puzzle. But we most likely will be a fringe top 25 team most of the season and hopefully make a deep run. Now if we add another 5 star or 2 I’ll change that forecast.

Lower your expectations and give this thing 4 years. And be excited when we have an upset win. Expect many more games like last night. But also expect games like SMU. Enjoy the ride.

I don't care who the coach is, the 4 year window is not something I buy into with basketball. A good coach can make an impact imediately. Year 2, I expect to see a big improvement (and should with the recruits coming in) and year 3, I expect to see a run.

Rick Barnes gives legs to your post.

(01-31-2019 09:04 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 12:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

It is possible for both:

1. Getting Lomax and Harris, two players Smith would have let get away because he didn’t want to bother with recruiting, to commit to Memphis was a huge early coup for Hardaway, especially since the conventional wisdom was that he’d only get one or the other but not both. In just a few short months he was able to bring in a better class than Smith would have pulled together if he had stayed here.

And

2. Lomax and Harris are both sub 100 recruits who would have found it difficult to find playing time at Memphis as recently as the Pastner years. They are both four year pieces who are not the kind of guys who anyone should have expected to turn the program around on a dime.

...to be true.

That’s not having it both ways.

Those are not mutually exclusive ideas as presented by the other poster...

I don't think it will take four years for Tyler and Alo to become better. With defenses sagging on Wiseman and Dandridge next year Alo is going to be a facilitator for those bigs as he was in H.S. state championship and Tyler will open up on them from outside. And we can't forget about an exciting possibility in Jones. I predict he will work on his 3pt shot in off season and drill it next year. There is a lot to be excited about even if Penny doesn't land another 5 star this year. I hope so. At my age and health I would like to see at least one more deep run before they both play out. If the little guys will listen to Tony Madlock and the others to Miller, Mitchell and Penny we are definitely going to be in the hunt.

Totally agree! Spot on!

But, I'd wait for a few years, and, let Coach Hardaway get most of his players on the team. In theory, because this year was not really a recruiting year, we need to give Coach Hardaway four years. This way he has at least three years of recruits he recruited.

(01-25-2019 12:32 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 09:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  About the current team...the seniors are the most productive players. I agree that the freshmen are not transformative prospects, but they need be better in the future. I expect they’ll improve with experience.

Next year - our 3 freshmen guards will be sophomores and should be much better, but the front court will be all first year players ( or at least the one's getting minutes ) I expect top 3 in the conference... make the tourney. We will be deep and talented, but inexperienced but will have some of the same problems as this year... lots of new players to learn the college game and the system. 24-8? rpi in the 40s

Two years, a junior laden back court with 4 & 5 star sophomores in the front court, league champs and top 20.. deep & talented and experienced 26-6? rpi in the 20 range.

Three years - top 10... we will be deep, talented, and seasoned. 28-4?

Havent 2 or 3 of these freshmen coming in already played with next years sophmores ( in high school or AAU ) , if so then that should help their transition into the college game .

(01-31-2019 12:05 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 12:32 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 09:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  About the current team...the seniors are the most productive players. I agree that the freshmen are not transformative prospects, but they need be better in the future. I expect they’ll improve with experience.

Next year - our 3 freshmen guards will be sophomores and should be much better, but the front court will be all first year players ( or at least the one's getting minutes ) I expect top 3 in the conference... make the tourney. We will be deep and talented, but inexperienced but will have some of the same problems as this year... lots of new players to learn the college game and the system. 24-8? rpi in the 40s

Two years, a junior laden back court with 4 & 5 star sophomores in the front court, league champs and top 20.. deep & talented and experienced 26-6? rpi in the 20 range.

Three years - top 10... we will be deep, talented, and seasoned. 28-4?

Havent 2 or 3 of these freshmen coming in already played with next years sophmores ( in high school or AAU ) , if so then that should help their transition into the college game .

Not really. The college game is much faster and has much better at Eldred than high school.

(01-31-2019 09:05 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 09:32 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 09:30 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  We all need to understand something. Not one player that was recruited to this team in the off season by Penny is a transformational player. They are pieces to a puzzle that is still being put together. I know they were rated high locally, but nationally, if these guys were on any top 25 team they’d be considered 4 year projects. And they were added to Tubbys Juco’s.

Next season is the year we add more pieces to the puzzle. But we most likely will be a fringe top 25 team most of the season and hopefully make a deep run. Now if we add another 5 star or 2 I’ll change that forecast.

Lower your expectations and give this thing 4 years. And be excited when we have an upset win. Expect many more games like last night. But also expect games like SMU. Enjoy the ride.

I don't care who the coach is, the 4 year window is not something I buy into with basketball. A good coach can make an impact imediately. Year 2, I expect to see a big improvement (and should with the recruits coming in) and year 3, I expect to see a run.

Rick Barnes gives legs to your post.

I guess we can really check in next year to see the final prognosis on that. Nobody expected these big men to be this good for Tennessee. And as of right now, his entire front line will be gone next year, and he has not backfilled them with anything so far. Tennessee could be in for a long season next year.

(01-31-2019 08:59 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

You must be here just to start trouble because everything you say is ignorant.

And thanks for the negative rep points.

You seem to care about being popular more than you do about being right.

Good luck with that.

(01-31-2019 11:48 AM)rc0213 Wrote:  Totally agree! Spot on!

But, I'd wait for a few years, and, let Coach Hardaway get most of his players on the team. In theory, because this year was not really a recruiting year, we need to give Coach Hardaway four years. This way he has at least three years of recruits he recruited.

So we lower the bar for Penny after raising it for Tubby?

(01-30-2019 01:38 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:12 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 09:48 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 07:32 AM)cmt Wrote:  So, if I understand you correctly

Parks > Dandridge
Davenport > Wiseman
Thornton > Thomas
Martin > Jefferies
Brewton > Boyce

and freshman Harris, Lomax, Wingett, Maurice, Jones are as good as spohomore Harris, Lomax, Wingett, Maurice, Jones.

Harris and Lomax were supposed to be instant stars. Harris is very inconsistent and Lomax has only had a few decent games all season. Recruiting rankings don't mean a thing if they don't produce. How is KJ Lawson doing at Kansas this season?

What are you talking about? Instant stars? They were +100 ranked players, both under 6 feet tall. The main excitement surrounding those 2 was that we finally turned the tide and got 2 local kids to commit, who just weeks before were going to other schools. No one expected Ty and Alo to be nba players. Chris Garner and Tony Madlock types maybe, but not nba prospects that would make this an instant turnaround job by Penny. I will add. They are both progressing ahead of schedule in my opinion.

He's a very obvious troll. And the obvious ones can't be very smart. I'll try to ignore him going forward for fear of catching a case of ignoramus.

O yeah I just remembered. On (12/28/2011) post #49, PA ironically describes his future self lol.

PATiger writes: "You are a troll. A Tiger fan would not take a crap on the head coach, especially one who is an alum."

https://csnbbs.com/post-7360288.html#pid7360288
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Yeah it’s trolling.
This year’s team looks like NIT but could still rally for better and yes, bottom could drop out too.

Likely starters next year? Versus this year, this year based on minutes played at position.

Next year first
Sophomore Lomax better than freshman Lomax
Sophomore Harris better than freshman Harris
Freshman Wiseman better than Senior Thornton
Freshman Jefferies a little short of Senior Davenport, maybe
Sophomore Jones a little short of a Senior Martin

Bench, and I get starters may be different. This year based on 3 most minutes for guard and 2 forwards.

Senior Maurice better than Junior Maurice
Transfer Thomas better than Parks
Freshman Watford? Even with Senior Brewton?
Older Enoh better than younger Enoh

Lomax and Harris play a lot and like Jackson and CDR and others, a massive jump often occurs between year on end two. Martin will be missed but everywhere else is an improvement if a loss in age.

Wiseman could be enormously better than Thornton.

Like always with exceptions of a few teams, next years team with so many true age freshmen and sophomores playing will be much much better late in season. We will simply be solidly better in 19-20. 3-5 game improvement. If that does not sound like a lot turn this years 13-7 team into 16-4 or 17-3 at this stage.

(01-31-2019 10:52 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Yeah it’s trolling.
This year’s team looks like NIT but could still rally for better and yes, bottom could drop out too.

Likely starters next year? Versus this year, this year based on minutes played at position.

Next year first
Sophomore Lomax better than freshman Lomax
Sophomore Harris better than freshman Harris
Freshman Wiseman better than Senior Thornton
Freshman Jefferies a little short of Senior Davenport, maybe
Sophomore Jones a little short of a Senior Martin

Bench, and I get starters may be different. This year based on 3 most minutes for guard and 2 forwards.

Senior Maurice better than Junior Maurice
Transfer Thomas better than Parks
Freshman Watford? Even with Senior Brewton?
Older Enoh better than younger Enoh

Lomax and Harris play a lot and like Jackson and CDR and others, a massive jump often occurs between year on end two. Martin will be missed but everywhere else is an improvement if a loss in age.

Wiseman could be enormously better than Thornton.

Like always with exceptions of a few teams, next years team with so many true age freshmen and sophomores playing will be much much better late in season. We will simply be solidly better in 19-20. 3-5 game improvement. If that does not sound like a lot turn this years 13-7 team into 16-4 or 17-3 at this stage.

You left off Dandridge. And if we get Watford, he will be starting.

I really doubt Dandridge starts.

Dandridge, starter or not, more evidence that next year will be better.

(01-31-2019 09:02 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 08:58 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 12:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

It is possible for both:

1. Getting Lomax and Harris, two players Smith would have let get away because he didn’t want to bother with recruiting, to commit to Memphis was a huge early coup for Hardaway, especially since the conventional wisdom was that he’d only get one or the other but not both. In just a few short months he was able to bring in a better class than Smith would have pulled together if he had stayed here.

And

2. Lomax and Harris are both sub 100 recruits who would have found it difficult to find playing time at Memphis as recently as the Pastner years. They are both four year pieces who are not the kind of guys who anyone should have expected to turn the program around on a dime.

...to be true.

That’s not having it both ways.

I think both will be fine... but I still cringe when they are on the floor together.

That should be changing. The past two games our best and most explosive lineups have been with Alo and Harris on the court together. They are undersized but are both quickly figuring out how to adjust their game to the college game. I was worried at the beginning of the season but they are quickly eliminating my fear of them being on the court at the same time. They have two completely different styles of play which actually compliment each other's games very well.

They just keep getting slaughtered on defense. Glad to see Harris make some shots, atleast when he is making shots he has a purpose.

(02-01-2019 04:19 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 09:02 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 08:58 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 12:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:24 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Nice revisionist history. Everyone was holding them up as proof of Penny's superior recruiting skills. Now, everyone's downplaying their ranking. Can't have it both ways.

It is possible for both:

1. Getting Lomax and Harris, two players Smith would have let get away because he didn’t want to bother with recruiting, to commit to Memphis was a huge early coup for Hardaway, especially since the conventional wisdom was that he’d only get one or the other but not both. In just a few short months he was able to bring in a better class than Smith would have pulled together if he had stayed here.

And

2. Lomax and Harris are both sub 100 recruits who would have found it difficult to find playing time at Memphis as recently as the Pastner years. They are both four year pieces who are not the kind of guys who anyone should have expected to turn the program around on a dime.

...to be true.

That’s not having it both ways.

I think both will be fine... but I still cringe when they are on the floor together.

That should be changing. The past two games our best and most explosive lineups have been with Alo and Harris on the court together. They are undersized but are both quickly figuring out how to adjust their game to the college game. I was worried at the beginning of the season but they are quickly eliminating my fear of them being on the court at the same time. They have two completely different styles of play which actually compliment each other's games very well.

They just keep getting slaughtered on defense. Glad to see Harris make some shots, atleast when he is making shots he has a purpose.

Yea. If the goal is to seriously compete for championships, that won't happen if Lomax and Harris are playing significant minutes. I don't see a Nate Robinson or Isiah Thomas college level player in either of them.