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Matt Elmore to Transfer
CB McGrath confirms Elmore will transfer per John Smist WECT
01-24-2019 09:26 PM
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Yep. Alex mentioned it during his fb live post game wrap up.

Smart move by Elmore. He’s buried on the depth chart. He’s not a bad player. He’s just not going to compete well for playing time with the current roster and incoming talent.

I wish him the best and sincerely hope he finds success wherever he lands.


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(01-24-2019 09:50 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Yep. Alex mentioned it during his fb live post game wrap up.

Smart move by Elmore. He’s buried on the depth chart. He’s not a bad player. He’s just not going to compete well for playing time with the current roster and incoming talent.

I wish him the best and sincerely hope he finds success wherever he lands.


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Disappointing that we could never see what he was fully capable of in teal. I don’t think he ever got over his knee injury completely. Hope everything works out for him.
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(01-24-2019 09:58 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 09:50 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Yep. Alex mentioned it during his fb live post game wrap up.

Smart move by Elmore. He’s buried on the depth chart. He’s not a bad player. He’s just not going to compete well for playing time with the current roster and incoming talent.

I wish him the best and sincerely hope he finds success wherever he lands.


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Disappointing that we could never see what he was fully capable of in teal. I don’t think he ever got over his knee injury completely. Hope everything works out for him.
Had nothing to do with his knee in my opinion. He proved himself against Furman and sat the bench the next 3 games. That's enough to take anyone's confidence away.
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McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.
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Best of luck Matt! You will find a good fit that will allow you to pursue your hoop dreams!
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(01-24-2019 11:41 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Best of luck Matt! You will find a good fit that will allow you to pursue your hoop dreams!
Playing Elmore and Toews in a Side Pick & Pop (empty corner) with limited minutes and hiding him in ZONE would have brought a nice change of pace off the bench. Defensively if you switch that Toews will burn the big going to the cup, and if you load up on the ball Elmore is going to stroke it on a kickout from Toews or Cacok will crash the OR. Every player has limitations. Find a role for the guys you have.
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(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.
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(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

Can you run defensive efficiencincy stats for each player?
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(01-25-2019 08:59 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

Can you run defensive efficiencincy stats for each player?
Yes, but you won't like it.
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(01-25-2019 08:59 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

Can you run defensive efficiencincy stats for each player?
I can't upload total team stats of individual players for some reason. Ask for a player and I'll send one at a time.
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(01-25-2019 09:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 08:59 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

Can you run defensive efficiencincy stats for each player?
I can't upload total team stats of individual players for some reason. Ask for a player and I'll send one at a time.
I'd be interested to see how much better a Gadsen is compared to the last guy that plays say 20+ mins per game.
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Gadsen
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(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

You have a good point there, but I'd still say he is even MORE of a liability on defense than any of those who were on the roster ahead of him. I do believe I stated that our team struggles to play defense. All you did was make my point, sir.
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(01-25-2019 09:16 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  Gadsen

WOW, surprised to see him rated poor
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(01-25-2019 09:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

You have a good point there, but I'd still say he is even MORE of a liability on defense than any of those who were on the roster ahead of him. I do believe I stated that our team struggles to play defense. All you did was make my point, sir.
Not interested in defending him since I can judge defensive ability even with a small sample. However, again I refer to the stats. In limited time this season Elmore has defended the ball on 16 possessions and 14 points were scored against him. You may find this hard to believe but that places him as the second best defender in PPP (0.873)behind O'Connell. If you want to use the playing time delimiter then Toews is ahead of Gadsen since he defends the ball 10.1% of the time compared to Gadsden's 6.6% and Toews limiting his man to 0.890 PPP and Gadsen at 1.019 PPP. I'm the only one here making a point based on facts here Sir.
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(01-25-2019 09:32 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 09:16 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  Gadsen

WOW, surprised to see him rated poor

Advanced Analytics have their purpose and I think it's great that we have someone with access to these kind numbers but it's definitely not the end all be all. Gadsden is a winner and had two key steals last night that propelled our run to stretch the lead, he's been making those kind of plays since Asheville. Those numbers are not concerning to me, he passes the eye test IMO.
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(01-25-2019 09:42 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 09:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 10:46 PM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  McGrath screwed the pooch on this one. Elmore was a much better offensive threat than O'Connell and yet he refused to play him. I hope Elmore finds a good fit and is successful where ever he lands.


IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

You have a good point there, but I'd still say he is even MORE of a liability on defense than any of those who were on the roster ahead of him. I do believe I stated that our team struggles to play defense. All you did was make my point, sir.
Not interested in defending him since I can judge defensive ability even with a small sample. However, again I refer to the stats. In limited time this season Elmore has defended the ball on 16 possessions and 14 points were scored against him. You may find this hard to believe but that places him as the second best defender in PPP (0.873)behind O'Connell. If you want to use the playing time delimiter then Toews is ahead of Gadsen since he defends the ball 10.1% of the time compared to Gadsden's 6.6% and Toews limiting his man to 0.890 PPP and Gadsen at 1.019 PPP. I'm the only one here making a point based on facts here Sir.

LOL. Okay. Yeah, go ahead and play Elmore ahead of O'Connell and see where that would get us this season.

Look, I like metrics and stats, but sometimes they're not the end all be all (your point of Gadsden/Toews proves that). I understand you know a lot about the game and coach the game, but I've been around a few years now and this year isn't my first seeing Elmore. There's no way I'd push him up the depth chart ahead of O'Connell. Zero chance.
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(01-25-2019 09:46 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 09:42 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 09:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 07:21 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  IMO for the limited offense he could have provided he was a defensive liability on a team that already struggles to play solid defense.


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LOL. C'mon who outside of Gadsen actually plays D1 level defense on a game to game basis at UNCW. Bottom 1% dude. Jeezus.

You have a good point there, but I'd still say he is even MORE of a liability on defense than any of those who were on the roster ahead of him. I do believe I stated that our team struggles to play defense. All you did was make my point, sir.
Not interested in defending him since I can judge defensive ability even with a small sample. However, again I refer to the stats. In limited time this season Elmore has defended the ball on 16 possessions and 14 points were scored against him. You may find this hard to believe but that places him as the second best defender in PPP (0.873)behind O'Connell. If you want to use the playing time delimiter then Toews is ahead of Gadsen since he defends the ball 10.1% of the time compared to Gadsden's 6.6% and Toews limiting his man to 0.890 PPP and Gadsen at 1.019 PPP. I'm the only one here making a point based on facts here Sir.

LOL. Okay. Yeah, go ahead and play Elmore ahead of O'Connell and see where that would get us this season.

Look, I like metrics and stats, but sometimes they're not the end all be all (your point of Gadsden/Toews proves that). I understand you know a lot about the game and coach the game, but I've been around a few years now and this year isn't my first seeing Elmore. There's no way I'd push him up the depth chart ahead of O'Connell. Zero chance.
Mr. Miller you have my respect as a knowledgeable basketball person as I've mentioned on this board before. You are also clearly in the UNCW 'loop'. You also do not know if I coach. My original comment was this:

"Playing Elmore and Toews in a Side Pick & Pop (empty corner) with limited minutes and hiding him in ZONE would have brought a nice change of pace off the bench. Defensively if you switch that Toews will burn the big going to the cup, and if you load up on the ball Elmore is going to stroke it on a kickout from Toews or Cacok will crash the OR. Every player has limitations. Find a role for the guys you have."

Not once did I compare him to O'Connell or imply he should play ahead of him. I didn't push him up the depth chart either. Please show me that comment cuz I missed it. But people on this board often make uninformed comments based on personal likes or dislikes. It's ok, we are not in the NBA 'War Room' deciding the next draft pick. But if we were some would not be able to support their opinions based on modern analytics. O'Connell is a better defender than Elmore but Elmore did a decent job on the 18 possessions he defended the ball. FACTS. I just suggested that his skill as a pick and pop guy could have been useful at moments if he was hidden in a zone, and that is something O'Connell cannot do.
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