(01-23-2019 06:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amid-...g-us-crazy

Quote:VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis said Wednesday that fear of migration is “making us crazy” as he began a trip to Central America amid a standoff over President Donald Trump’s promised wall at the U.S.-Mexico border and a new caravan of migrants heading north

isn't the vatican a sovereign walled state within a city???

read the rest if'n ya want.....I wouldn't....

what an infallible hypocrytical idiot that cat is....

It's difficult to describe just how enraged the Pope makes me when he shoots off his mouth on things like this.

First, quit sticking your nose into the business of this country. We are a sovereign nation and are allowed to make decisions on what's best for OUR country without your input. You wouldn't want Trump making derogatory statements about Vatican policy.

Second, MAYBE you should worry more about the child molesters in your ranks instead of American immigration policy.

Third, if you're THAT worried about "the oppressed" and "the impoverished", how about liquidating some of the BILLIONS in assets the Catholic church has and "helping" the poor?

In other words, have yourself a heaping helping of STFU.

He embarrasses me even though I'm just a fallen Catholic.

(01-24-2019 07:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Third, if you're THAT worried about "the oppressed" and "the impoverished", how about liquidating some of the BILLIONS in assets the Catholic church has and "helping" the poor?

If we're talking assets... i wouldn't be surprised if that figure reached into the trillions. The value of just some of the pieces in their archives would be astonishing.
And that's just the few pieces we know about. Who knows what they've really got hidden away down there.
Originally Francis did make a comment about the Church using that wealth to help the poor. But I've seen no action of that. So either it was a claim made just to sound good... or other church leaders convinced him that they need to hoard it.

Quote:“making us crazy”

Did anyone else read this in the voice of an Italian mobster, like I did?

(01-23-2019 10:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 06:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amid-...g-us-crazy

Quote:VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis said Wednesday that fear of migration is “making us crazy” as he began a trip to Central America amid a standoff over President Donald Trump’s promised wall at the U.S.-Mexico border and a new caravan of migrants heading north

isn't the vatican a sovereign walled state within a city???

read the rest if'n ya want.....I wouldn't....

what an infallible hypocrytical idiot that cat is....

Pope Francis is clearly wrong about his opinion on this matter. As this issue is not a matter of his church's doctrine, infallibility is not "in play" here, so to speak. The concept of papal infallibility does not mean the Pope never makes mistakes or is never wrong about anything (that is a lie concocted by those whose hatred of the pope and his church approaches or surpasses the level of these who hate President Trump, for example.) Papal infallibility covers an incredibly narrow and extremely specific area of decisions that never includes things like the Pope's personal opinions, especially on subjective issues such as this.

So, despite the mainstream media's attempts to incorrectly conflate papal infallibility with non-applicable decisions, opinions and actions, the infallibility concept does not apply here.

Again, IMHO, Pope Francis is incorrect in his assessment of the situation, no doubt skewed by his upbringing in a socialistic environment, much the same as AOC's opinions on the matter (and the MSM's as well) are patently incorrect and out of line with much of mainstream American opinion and desires on these kinds of issues.

And yes, the Vatican, like many of the Demoncraps own houses and abodes, is walled, with security and doormen/guards. The Vatican also maintains an elaborate scientific astronomical observatory (located on a mountaintop in the western US) dedicated to scientific research and observation, but few wish to acknowledge this fact as it conflicts with their talking points. The hypocrisy of the leftist's position is mind-boggling, for those who have not already let their brains fall out of their heads.

Finally, Pope Francis so far appears to be a less-than stellar pope, in many of his own church's members opinions. Having the previous two Popes be overall above average in that office, a letdown was inevitable. But don't forget how initially this pope was embraced by the leftist media relatively as their darling, so there's that.

You're changing what the Catechism tells adherents to believe. It very clearly states that the Pope is never wrong and anyone that denies his infallibility is to be cursed, (I think the word they use is anathema).

(01-24-2019 10:43 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 07:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Third, if you're THAT worried about "the oppressed" and "the impoverished", how about liquidating some of the BILLIONS in assets the Catholic church has and "helping" the poor?

If we're talking assets... i wouldn't be surprised if that figure reached into the trillions. The value of just some of the pieces in their archives would be astonishing.
And that's just the few pieces we know about. Who knows what they've really got hidden away down there.
Originally Francis did make a comment about the Church using that wealth to help the poor. But I've seen no action of that. So either it was a claim made just to sound good... or other church leaders convinced him that they need to hoard it.

And they are using US bankruptcy laws to limit payouts to the children their priests molested.

(01-23-2019 08:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 06:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amid-...g-us-crazy

Quote:VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis said Wednesday that fear of migration is “making us crazy” as he began a trip to Central America amid a standoff over President Donald Trump’s promised wall at the U.S.-Mexico border and a new caravan of migrants heading north

isn't the vatican a sovereign walled state within a city???

read the rest if'n ya want.....I wouldn't....

what an infallible hypocrytical idiot that cat is....

Not only walled but guarded and under total video surveillance. They probably even have Zucchetto in the sky (a pope drone). And of course if he is travelling abroad he'll have his bullet proof Popemobile and his own version of the Vatican Secret Service. You would think God should be sufficient?

He's never sufficient. That's why everyone needs guns.

(01-23-2019 10:59 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 06:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amid-...g-us-crazy

Quote:VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis said Wednesday that fear of migration is “making us crazy” as he began a trip to Central America amid a standoff over President Donald Trump’s promised wall at the U.S.-Mexico border and a new caravan of migrants heading north

isn't the vatican a sovereign walled state within a city???

read the rest if'n ya want.....I wouldn't....

what an infallible hypocrytical idiot that cat is....

Pope Francis is clearly wrong about his opinion on this matter. As this issue is not a matter of his church's doctrine, infallibility is not "in play" here, so to speak. The concept of papal infallibility does not mean the Pope never makes mistakes or is never wrong about anything (that is a lie concocted by those whose hatred of the pope and his church approaches or surpasses the level of these who hate President Trump, for example.) Papal infallibility covers an incredibly narrow and extremely specific area of decisions that never includes things like the Pope's personal opinions, especially on subjective issues such as this.

So, despite the mainstream media's attempts to incorrectly conflate papal infallibility with non-applicable decisions, opinions and actions, the infallibility concept does not apply here.

Again, IMHO, Pope Francis is incorrect in his assessment of the situation, no doubt skewed by his upbringing in a socialistic environment, much the same as AOC's opinions on the matter (and the MSM's as well) are patently incorrect and out of line with much of mainstream American opinion and desires on these kinds of issues.

And yes, the Vatican, like many of the Demoncraps own houses and abodes, is walled, with security and doormen/guards. The Vatican also maintains an elaborate scientific astronomical observatory (located on a mountaintop in the western US) dedicated to scientific research and observation, but few wish to acknowledge this fact as it conflicts with their talking points. The hypocrisy of the leftist's position is mind-boggling, for those who have not already let their brains fall out of their heads.

Finally, Pope Francis so far appears to be a less-than stellar pope, in many of his own church's members opinions. Having the previous two Popes be overall above average in that office, a letdown was inevitable. But don't forget how initially this pope was embraced by the leftist media relatively as their darling, so there's that.

The pope is right about this. Though I would agree that in order to not be hypocritical, the Vatican should sell some of their wealth and use it to help the poor, and also the victims of their priests.

This Pope really sucks. I'm shocked someone hasn't taken him out from the inside yet.

(01-24-2019 03:11 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 09:32 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 08:20 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  just for you Ollie....

what say you know sir?

I agree with what you wrote Stinky, I'm not a Pope fancier. I left the church years ago even before I converted. I saw the writing on the wall and I'm not talking about the Vatican murals. Actually, the writing was in a Bible.

The Pope has said too many things to make me think he's a Christian or a Bible reader. You'll probably ask, like what? Well, when he said in an ecumenical gathering that every religion has a path to heaven, that's not something I've read in any Bible.

But, to each his own, it's for them to find out...or listen to others.

Christ said He was the ONLY way to the Father and NO MAN could come to the Father except through Him.

The Pope says you don't need Christ at all to be redeemed to the Father, there are many paths.

That's right folks, it wasn't Lucifer who said that, it was the "Pope".

<remembers Superman and Clark Kent>

Come to think of it, you never see Lucifer and the Pope together at the same time.....hey wait a minute

i'm reading the bhagavad gita right now and it reads to me almost like the christian bible. i kinda wonder if krsna didn't materialize into the body of christ and everyone is ultimately speaking the same language

Chubby, methinks youz got some company agin'.

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(01-25-2019 10:27 PM)Lush Wrote:  i'm reading the right now and it reads to me almost like the christian bible. i kinda wonder if krsna didn't materialize into the body of christ and everyone is ultimately speaking the same language

So bhagavad gita claims "krsna" was the ONE, TRUE God and creator of the entire universe. Then created man, but man fell and turned against Him. So to redeem His creation in righteousness and truth, He Himself was born into the flesh as a man, experienced life as a man, then allowed His own people to torture and murder Him as a sacrifice for all mankinds sins, and then grants the free gift of Salvation by faith alone in His own death and Resurrection, not based on accumulating individual good works.

Admittedly I've not read the entire thing, but that is nothing even remotely like bhagavad gita.

Of course, there is also the other elephant in the room that the entire book and every character in bhagavd is total fiction when the 1500 year history of the nation of Israel, Egypt, Babylon, The Assyrian Empire, The Grecian Empire, the Medo-Persian Empire, The Roman Empire, Cyrus, Pharaoh, Pilate, Jesus and all the rest were actual REAL kingdoms and REAL people according to secular historians.

Of course there is also the other elephant in the room that the Bible foretells the entire 2000+ year history of the Jews rise, fall, destruction, 2000 year diaspora into all nations, even up to their miraculous rebirth as a nation in 1948 (predicting it to the year 2500 years before), as well as foretelling the entire birth, life, crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, and the entire 2000+ year church age of mostly Gentiles (instead of Jesus' people the Jews) centuries before any of it came to pass. Thus laying out undeniable proof of its divinity like no other religion or book through 2500 years of recorded SECULAR human history still being proven as fact and unfolding just as predicted in the 20th and early 21st century.

But yeah, other than that they are virtually identical.

(01-26-2019 03:56 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:27 PM)Lush Wrote:  i'm reading the right now and it reads to me almost like the christian bible. i kinda wonder if krsna didn't materialize into the body of christ and everyone is ultimately speaking the same language

So bhagavad gita claims "krsna" was the ONE, TRUE God and creator of the entire universe. Then created man, but man fell and turned against Him. So to redeem His creation in righteousness and truth, He Himself was born into the flesh as a man, experienced life as a man, then allowed His own people to torture and murder Him as a sacrifice for all mankinds sins, and then grants the free gift of Salvation by faith alone in His own death and Resurrection, not based on accumulating individual good works.

except for the crucifixion (i think) krsna did all those things. both religions are ultimately anti-materialism

Quote:Admittedly I've not read the entire thing, but that is nothing even remotely like bhagavad gita.

Of course, there is also the other elephant in the room that the entire book and every character in bhagavd is total fiction when the 1500 year history of the nation of Israel, Egypt, Babylon, The Assyrian Empire, The Grecian Empire, the Medo-Persian Empire, The Roman Empire, Cyrus, Pharaoh, Pilate, Jesus and all the rest were actual REAL kingdoms and REAL people according to secular historians.

who's to say what's fiction. krsna operates on a cosmological scale. the math is fuzzy because what's math? i wonder if secular historians even cared what india thought

Quote: Of course there is also the other elephant in the room that the Bible foretells the entire 2000+ year history of the Jews rise, fall, destruction, 2000 year diaspora into all nations, even up to their miraculous rebirth as a nation in 1948 (predicting it to the year 2500 years before), as well as foretelling the entire birth, life, crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, and the entire 2000+ year church age of mostly Gentiles (instead of Jesus' people the Jews) centuries before any of it came to pass. Thus laying out undeniable proof of its divinity like no other religion or book through 2500 years of recorded SECULAR human history still being proven as fact and unfolding just as predicted in the 20th and early 21st century.

But yeah, other than that they are virtually identical.

i suppose it's tough to dispute the prophecy. you guys are big on that for your proof

i haven't finished it yet and i know my christian bible isn't up to snuff. haven't picked that up since middle school

(01-27-2019 10:58 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 03:56 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:27 PM)Lush Wrote:  i'm reading the right now and it reads to me almost like the christian bible. i kinda wonder if krsna didn't materialize into the body of christ and everyone is ultimately speaking the same language

So bhagavad gita claims "krsna" was the ONE, TRUE God and creator of the entire universe. Then created man, but man fell and turned against Him. So to redeem His creation in righteousness and truth, He Himself was born into the flesh as a man, experienced life as a man, then allowed His own people to torture and murder Him as a sacrifice for all mankinds sins, and then grants the free gift of Salvation by faith alone in His own death and Resurrection, not based on accumulating individual good works.

except for the crucifixion (i think) krsna did all those things. both religions are ultimately anti-materialism

Nope, I reviewed it just yesterday, none of that stuff I mentioned is remotely part of the story.

You stretch your credibility beyond belief with this nonsense.

(01-27-2019 10:58 PM)Lush Wrote:  i suppose it's tough to dispute the prophecy. you guys are big on that for your proof

i haven't finished it yet and i know my christian bible isn't up to snuff. haven't picked that up since middle school

You obviously didn't pick it up much in middle school either. You didn't even have the central and most basic theme of what the bible is about. You might as well say you read moby dick and there is no whale and no boat. You obviously have not really read it much at all.

You reject the bible's evidence of prophecy because you never bothered to look into it at all, and don't want it to be true anyway. Its hard to see evidence and facts when you refuse to look at it or believe in it anyway. That is the very definition of self deception and self delusion.

If a person desires in their heart to be ignorant of the truth and facts, no one else can change that but the person themselves. Its up to you to fact check your own claims (this is the internet age, its a few keystrokes away), or just pretend they are right without ever looking for yourself.

Peace and grace to you my friend.

The Cardinals got slammed for picking the conservative Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) and like most folks under intense pressure they overreacted and picked someone from the opposite extreme end.

(01-28-2019 12:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-27-2019 10:58 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 03:56 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:27 PM)Lush Wrote:  i'm reading the right now and it reads to me almost like the christian bible. i kinda wonder if krsna didn't materialize into the body of christ and everyone is ultimately speaking the same language

So bhagavad gita claims "krsna" was the ONE, TRUE God and creator of the entire universe. Then created man, but man fell and turned against Him. So to redeem His creation in righteousness and truth, He Himself was born into the flesh as a man, experienced life as a man, then allowed His own people to torture and murder Him as a sacrifice for all mankinds sins, and then grants the free gift of Salvation by faith alone in His own death and Resurrection, not based on accumulating individual good works.

except for the crucifixion (i think) krsna did all those things. both religions are ultimately anti-materialism

Nope, I reviewed it just yesterday, none of that stuff I mentioned is remotely part of the story.

You stretch your credibility beyond belief with this nonsense.

(01-27-2019 10:58 PM)Lush Wrote:  i suppose it's tough to dispute the prophecy. you guys are big on that for your proof

i haven't finished it yet and i know my christian bible isn't up to snuff. haven't picked that up since middle school

You obviously didn't pick it up much in middle school either. You didn't even have the central and most basic theme of what the bible is about. You might as well say you read moby dick and there is no whale and no boat. You obviously have not really read it much at all.

You reject the bible's evidence of prophecy because you never bothered to look into it at all, and don't want it to be true anyway. Its hard to see evidence and facts when you refuse to look at it or believe in it anyway. That is the very definition of self deception and self delusion.

If a person desires in their heart to be ignorant of the truth and facts, no one else can change that but the person themselves. Its up to you to fact check your own claims (this is the internet age, its a few keystrokes away), or just pretend they are right without ever looking for yourself.

Peace and grace to you my friend.

i'm don't reject or dismiss the bible's prophecy because i don't need some kind of verifiable proof of god. what i find similar in the two books (or what i know) is; krsna created the universe and only thru krsna can one enter heaven. from what i gather, hell is the material world. we are part and parcel of krsna. the kingdom of the lord is within. i think jesus might have said something similar. the gita lays out similar blueprints to christianity for transcendence. thou shall have no other gods before me and you must come to the lord from your own free will. krsna also allows us to be autonomous and will one day come down to earth again

those seem like key components of the bible. forgive me if my ignorance is showing. if not that, then what would you suggest the bible's theme be?

(01-27-2019 10:58 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 03:56 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:27 PM)Lush Wrote:  i'm reading the right now and it reads to me almost like the christian bible. i kinda wonder if krsna didn't materialize into the body of christ and everyone is ultimately speaking the same language

So bhagavad gita claims "krsna" was the ONE, TRUE God and creator of the entire universe. Then created man, but man fell and turned against Him. So to redeem His creation in righteousness and truth, He Himself was born into the flesh as a man, experienced life as a man, then allowed His own people to torture and murder Him as a sacrifice for all mankinds sins, and then grants the free gift of Salvation by faith alone in His own death and Resurrection, not based on accumulating individual good works.

except for the crucifixion (i think) krsna did all those things. both religions are ultimately anti-materialism

Quote:Admittedly I've not read the entire thing, but that is nothing even remotely like bhagavad gita.

Of course, there is also the other elephant in the room that the entire book and every character in bhagavd is total fiction when the 1500 year history of the nation of Israel, Egypt, Babylon, The Assyrian Empire, The Grecian Empire, the Medo-Persian Empire, The Roman Empire, Cyrus, Pharaoh, Pilate, Jesus and all the rest were actual REAL kingdoms and REAL people according to secular historians.

who's to say what's fiction. krsna operates on a cosmological scale. the math is fuzzy because what's math? i wonder if secular historians even cared what india thought

Quote: Of course there is also the other elephant in the room that the Bible foretells the entire 2000+ year history of the Jews rise, fall, destruction, 2000 year diaspora into all nations, even up to their miraculous rebirth as a nation in 1948 (predicting it to the year 2500 years before), as well as foretelling the entire birth, life, crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ, and the entire 2000+ year church age of mostly Gentiles (instead of Jesus' people the Jews) centuries before any of it came to pass. Thus laying out undeniable proof of its divinity like no other religion or book through 2500 years of recorded SECULAR human history still being proven as fact and unfolding just as predicted in the 20th and early 21st century.

But yeah, other than that they are virtually identical.

i suppose it's tough to dispute the prophecy. you guys are big on that for your proof

i haven't finished it yet and i know my christian bible isn't up to snuff. haven't picked that up since middle school

"i haven't finished it yet and i know my christian bible isn't up to snuff. haven't picked that up since middle school."

It's telling...

LOL

(01-28-2019 03:52 PM)Lush Wrote:  i'm don't reject or dismiss the bible's prophecy because i don't need some kind of verifiable proof of god. what i find similar in the two books (or what i know) is; krsna created the universe and only thru krsna can one enter heaven. from what i gather, hell is the material world. we are part and parcel of krsna. the kingdom of the lord is within. i think jesus might have said something similar. the gita lays out similar blueprints to christianity for transcendence. thou shall have no other gods before me and you must come to the lord from your own free will. krsna also allows us to be autonomous and will one day come down to earth again

those seem like key components of the bible. forgive me if my ignorance is showing. if not that, then what would you suggest the bible's theme be?

Again, in krsna did not create man, than man turn against Him, then he go through a detailed 4000 year process of Him coming down to the earth and becoming a moral man, then allowing himself to be murdered and to death as a sacrifice to redeem all mans sins in righteousness and truth. Nor did He create a single nation and single book to proclaim His Word and truth to all mankind through that people, then repeated judge and destroy his own people for their wickedness and foretell the entire thing through hundreds of specific and detailed prophecies to explicitly illustrate to all mankind that He is REAL. Nor does the gita nonsense stretch into and play out into modern times such as the 2000 year church age and the 1948 return of the nation of Israel.

You've already been proven to be way off and not really know what you were talking about or know the basic core of the Biblical narrative. But you've obviously decided that you aren't going to admit that and just keep doubling down and twisting things for the sake of arguing.

You say you don't need prophecy or any proof of God, which is an obvious admission you really aren't interested in seeking any truth, only the truth that you decide to create yourself. Biblical evidence and proof through prophecy is what sets the Bible apart from all other religion on the earth. ALL other religions are based on 100% blind faith, with zero evidence at all that they are real. The entire bible is laid out to specifically PROVE to the reader through thousands of prophecies and world events that come to pass over the last 2500 years, well into modern times with the rebirth if Israel and the Jews in the Holy Land, 2000 years after their total destruction and diaspora across the whole earth. The OT is so specific about this it even mathematically pinpoints the exact time frame, the exact YEAR of 1948, and the details of how they would return to the land, and that gentile nations would reform the nation, not the Jews themselves (the UN in 1948).

Out of love and concern I actually took the time to edit my last post. Though you seem totally disinterred in hearing any truth or facts about the bible compared to any other silly fiction book in the world, I felt it necessary to lay out some facts again.

I challenge you to not take my word about anything I said concerning the evidence in the Bible and examin it up for yourself.

God bless.

i suppose i wasn't talking about the books necessarily as i was the gods themselves and how to get to know god, how one should live their life. reading the gita it struck me as similar to the christian god's methodology. got me to wondering about comparative theology. as far as evidence i do stand by my assertion that i don't need evidence to believe in god. i just know that this existence just doesn't come of itself. the evidence you cited is certainly compelling. as you can imagine, i'm vaguely familiar so thanks for the elucidation brother eric. i'll get around to reading the good book one of these days. kerouac said it's got pretty good poetry

i'm glad we got to have this talk on stink's thread