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(01-26-2019 09:45 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  Everybody on here continues to talk about how bad our players are defensively. Maybe what we are seeing is how the coaches are telling them how to defend. Maybe, just maybe, the issue is with the coaching and not the players themselves.

I absolutely think it's the coaching. It's not just a coincidence that every guy that has walked through the door the last two years couldn't play D! If he can't teach it, he needs to shake up the staff with an assistant who's a D specialist, because someone has too!
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(01-26-2019 09:45 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  Everybody on here continues to talk about how bad our players are defensively. Maybe what we are seeing is how the coaches are telling them how to defend. Maybe, just maybe, the issue is with the coaching and not the players themselves.

I absolutely think it's the coaching. It's not just a coincidence that every guy that has walked through the door the last two years couldn't play D! If he can't teach it, he needs to shake up the staff with an assistant who's a D specialist, because someone has too!
I stand corrected then. Not everyone.
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(01-26-2019 06:28 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 06:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Typical for the CB era, one step forward 2 back.. perimeter D absolutely terrible again and we let a bottom dweller hang 90 on us, AT HOME. Sorry fellas and I know everyone is a homer here but he can’t coach a lick. Not a lick. His recruiting isn’t bad but we have seen a year and a half of largely garbage. So disappointed for what we have become

I’m not going to say he can’t coach at all and win here. But it’s become pretty clear he can’t coach defense period. If we were an average defensive team we would be in the top 4 in the CAA this year. He needs to shake up the staff and bring in an assistant to give him some guidance.

Surfsalot I posted this on the 1st page after the game. I admit I had given McGrath leeway last year. This year there are no excuses.
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RE: Elon (Saturday, Jan 26, 4 PM)
(01-27-2019 02:43 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 06:28 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-26-2019 06:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Typical for the CB era, one step forward 2 back.. perimeter D absolutely terrible again and we let a bottom dweller hang 90 on us, AT HOME. Sorry fellas and I know everyone is a homer here but he can’t coach a lick. Not a lick. His recruiting isn’t bad but we have seen a year and a half of largely garbage. So disappointed for what we have become

I’m not going to say he can’t coach at all and win here. But it’s become pretty clear he can’t coach defense period. If we were an average defensive team we would be in the top 4 in the CAA this year. He needs to shake up the staff and bring in an assistant to give him some guidance.

Surfsalot I posted this on the 1st page after the game. I admit I had given McGrath leeway last year. This year there are no excuses.
I see that.
Something changed mid season with how the bigs defend the post. They went from defending someone backing them down with their bodies and both hands up to a forearm in the back of the opponent. I would be curious to know our defensive stats in the paint from early in the season to now.
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RE: Elon (Saturday, Jan 26, 4 PM)
I havent posted here in a good while, because my thoughts when CB was hired are the same as they are today....except worse and some here took great offense when I posted some things over a year ago. Its NOT just defense that is going to struggle with him at the helm, but since the defense is what's being targeted, we SHOULD have known. CB was with Roy for over 15 years...They win their games by simply outscoring there opponents. Defense is not emphasized and it should be no surprise that its not when he came here.Couple that with the fact that he just isn't a great motivator and its easy to see from my standpoint that this was always at best going to be a project hire. I'm not saying CB can't learn to be a decent head coach...but that will only happen with a LOT of time and patience.
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Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.
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(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

KK offset bad halfcourt D by creating more turnovers. We are in the bottom of D1 in creating turnovers too. He DOES have the talent to win now, recruiting has not been the issue
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RE: Elon (Saturday, Jan 26, 4 PM)
FYI, no hate for CB at all. Even though I was a Siddle guy, I was all in once CB was announced. Go re read the posts. But, despite the "mess" he inherited, this is a new year. And it's not like we're just medicore, we literally have one of the worst defenses in the country. Fix that, and we have a different team and a different record.

I also have a problem with the fact CB blamed the first year defensive woes on the previous coach, like many here did. He stated that he just "asssumed" they would have been taught certain things that weren't taught. Yet, a year later, here we are. Deeper bench, better overall roster, and a defense that is no better than last year and no better than the beginniing of the year. I gues we've gone from giving up 90+ points to 88...if you call that "progress". And this is HIS defense taught by HS coaches. Enough of blaming the prior coach.
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(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

I agree with this post, and I get that the D is primarily to blame, but you have to give the guy time to bring in his players and create the culture he wants. If you look at our team, we don't have natural leaders or a go to guy that can motivate and take over a game. I would say that the guys best suited to be leaders are underclassmen (Toews in particular), and that rarely works in college basketball. They have to gain the confidence and learn how to lead. Good defense is about mindset, and maybe CB is to blame for not ingraining that mindset, but in the end, the players have to want to be good at defense. As great as Cacok has been, I'd love to see him step up and demand that his teammates play as hard as he does. I'd also like to see him demand the ball more, and try to take over games. Players need to be accountable to their teammates first, and this team lacks the leadership to hold other players accountable. Once they realize that playing great defense can be as rewarding as scoring 100 points they will get it, but unfortunately they just don't get it yet.
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(01-28-2019 09:05 PM)Boogie Woogie Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

I agree with this post, and I get that the D is primarily to blame, but you have to give the guy time to bring in his players and create the culture he wants. If you look at our team, we don't have natural leaders or a go to guy that can motivate and take over a game. I would say that the guys best suited to be leaders are underclassmen (Toews in particular), and that rarely works in college basketball. They have to gain the confidence and learn how to lead. Good defense is about mindset, and maybe CB is to blame for not ingraining that mindset, but in the end, the players have to want to be good at defense. As great as Cacok has been, I'd love to see him step up and demand that his teammates play as hard as he does. I'd also like to see him demand the ball more, and try to take over games. Players need to be accountable to their teammates first, and this team lacks the leadership to hold other players accountable. Once they realize that playing great defense can be as rewarding as scoring 100 points they will get it, but unfortunately they just don't get it yet.

It's one thing to have a mediocre defense. You could attribute that to not having your guys or players not buying in or executing. BUT, we don't have a mediocre defense, we have the worst in the CAA and one of the 12 worst IN THE COUNTRY. We literally have to score 90 points if we want to win a game and we don't have Duke level players. So, you are welcome to your opinion, but it simply doesn't account for how historically bad this defense is.
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(01-28-2019 09:12 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:05 PM)Boogie Woogie Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

I agree with this post, and I get that the D is primarily to blame, but you have to give the guy time to bring in his players and create the culture he wants. If you look at our team, we don't have natural leaders or a go to guy that can motivate and take over a game. I would say that the guys best suited to be leaders are underclassmen (Toews in particular), and that rarely works in college basketball. They have to gain the confidence and learn how to lead. Good defense is about mindset, and maybe CB is to blame for not ingraining that mindset, but in the end, the players have to want to be good at defense. As great as Cacok has been, I'd love to see him step up and demand that his teammates play as hard as he does. I'd also like to see him demand the ball more, and try to take over games. Players need to be accountable to their teammates first, and this team lacks the leadership to hold other players accountable. Once they realize that playing great defense can be as rewarding as scoring 100 points they will get it, but unfortunately they just don't get it yet.

It's one thing to have a mediocre defense. You could attribute that to not having your guys or players not buying in or executing. BUT, we don't have a mediocre defense, we have the worst in the CAA and one of the 12 worst IN THE COUNTRY. We literally have to score 90 points if we want to win a game and we don't have Duke level players. So, you are welcome to your opinion, but it simply doesn't account for how historically bad this defense is.

When do we start blaming the players for their defensive effort?
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(01-28-2019 09:12 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:05 PM)Boogie Woogie Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

I agree with this post, and I get that the D is primarily to blame, but you have to give the guy time to bring in his players and create the culture he wants. If you look at our team, we don't have natural leaders or a go to guy that can motivate and take over a game. I would say that the guys best suited to be leaders are underclassmen (Toews in particular), and that rarely works in college basketball. They have to gain the confidence and learn how to lead. Good defense is about mindset, and maybe CB is to blame for not ingraining that mindset, but in the end, the players have to want to be good at defense. As great as Cacok has been, I'd love to see him step up and demand that his teammates play as hard as he does. I'd also like to see him demand the ball more, and try to take over games. Players need to be accountable to their teammates first, and this team lacks the leadership to hold other players accountable. Once they realize that playing great defense can be as rewarding as scoring 100 points they will get it, but unfortunately they just don't get it yet.

It's one thing to have a mediocre defense. You could attribute that to not having your guys or players not buying in or executing. BUT, we don't have a mediocre defense, we have the worst in the CAA and one of the 12 worst IN THE COUNTRY. We literally have to score 90 points if we want to win a game and we don't have Duke level players. So, you are welcome to your opinion, but it simply doesn't account for how historically bad this defense is.
It's amazing how easily people on this board try to change the topic to hating on the HC when the original topic is defensive ineptitude. By the way, when you don't have a natural leader on the floor then the Coach better be capable of taking over that role from the sidelines and in the locker room as he grooms a suitable one.
There is no getting around the fact that this team is underachieving defensively with the athletes we have but by far the biggest measuring stick in coaching is called improvement/progression. Sometimes this is incremental and can be related to player's mental capacity to absorb concepts. But any basketball person watching can see that the Hawks our running defensive schemes that are used commonly in high school...and not well at that.
To help focus the conversation even more it's about defending the 3pt shot. There has been ZERO evidence statistically in this area. Closeout techniques are not consistent from player to player. SYNERGY stats show that Toews is the most effective closeout man and he uses a 'two hands up/choppy feet' technique. But he is often late because of over help. Individual defense (1 v 1 contain) is also quite poor except for Gadsen. O'Connell is pretty good and Toews when motivated/focused can really stay in front of his man (remember all the charges he took early in the season?)

If there is no significant change from game to game in these areas vs opponents 3 pt shot we will see the same results.
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(01-28-2019 09:52 PM)Boogie Woogie Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:12 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:05 PM)Boogie Woogie Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

I agree with this post, and I get that the D is primarily to blame, but you have to give the guy time to bring in his players and create the culture he wants. If you look at our team, we don't have natural leaders or a go to guy that can motivate and take over a game. I would say that the guys best suited to be leaders are underclassmen (Toews in particular), and that rarely works in college basketball. They have to gain the confidence and learn how to lead. Good defense is about mindset, and maybe CB is to blame for not ingraining that mindset, but in the end, the players have to want to be good at defense. As great as Cacok has been, I'd love to see him step up and demand that his teammates play as hard as he does. I'd also like to see him demand the ball more, and try to take over games. Players need to be accountable to their teammates first, and this team lacks the leadership to hold other players accountable. Once they realize that playing great defense can be as rewarding as scoring 100 points they will get it, but unfortunately they just don't get it yet.

It's one thing to have a mediocre defense. You could attribute that to not having your guys or players not buying in or executing. BUT, we don't have a mediocre defense, we have the worst in the CAA and one of the 12 worst IN THE COUNTRY. We literally have to score 90 points if we want to win a game and we don't have Duke level players. So, you are welcome to your opinion, but it simply doesn't account for how historically bad this defense is.

When do we start blaming the players for their defensive effort?
Whatever you tolerate/accept as a coach you will get. There is a difference between missing your defensive assignment because of concentration or lack of effort AND just not being skilled at it yet. Quality coaches can spot the difference. You don't do your job you should come out of the game whether your name is Cacok, Toews or Cylla. This tone needed to be set early. Pull them out, remind, teach or yell and send them back in the game. Players have equal responsibility for their play but a HC, like a parent, is accountable in the end.
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(01-27-2019 01:48 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  I would be curious to know our defensive stats in the paint from early in the season to now.
I think I can provide useful statistics, but I don't have time tonight.
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(01-28-2019 09:59 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:52 PM)Boogie Woogie Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:12 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 09:05 PM)Boogie Woogie Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

I agree with this post, and I get that the D is primarily to blame, but you have to give the guy time to bring in his players and create the culture he wants. If you look at our team, we don't have natural leaders or a go to guy that can motivate and take over a game. I would say that the guys best suited to be leaders are underclassmen (Toews in particular), and that rarely works in college basketball. They have to gain the confidence and learn how to lead. Good defense is about mindset, and maybe CB is to blame for not ingraining that mindset, but in the end, the players have to want to be good at defense. As great as Cacok has been, I'd love to see him step up and demand that his teammates play as hard as he does. I'd also like to see him demand the ball more, and try to take over games. Players need to be accountable to their teammates first, and this team lacks the leadership to hold other players accountable. Once they realize that playing great defense can be as rewarding as scoring 100 points they will get it, but unfortunately they just don't get it yet.

It's one thing to have a mediocre defense. You could attribute that to not having your guys or players not buying in or executing. BUT, we don't have a mediocre defense, we have the worst in the CAA and one of the 12 worst IN THE COUNTRY. We literally have to score 90 points if we want to win a game and we don't have Duke level players. So, you are welcome to your opinion, but it simply doesn't account for how historically bad this defense is.

When do we start blaming the players for their defensive effort?
Whatever you tolerate/accept as a coach you will get. There is a difference between missing your defensive assignment because of concentration or lack of effort AND just not being skilled at it yet. Quality coaches can spot the difference. You don't do your job you should come out of the game whether your name is Cacok, Toews or Cylla. This tone needed to be set early. Pull them out, remind, teach or yell and send them back in the game. Players have equal responsibility for their play but a HC, like a parent, is accountable in the end.

I don't disagree with this, and I would love to see CB yank em and chew them out, but we don't have the depth to bring anyone in off the bench who can do any better. A lot of talk about Fornes and Taylor not getting more time on here, but to me they are bigger liabilities than who we're running with; especially on the offensive end. They seem to lack the mental capacity to play within the offense, and in my opinion turn the ball over way to frequently. Ironically, our two best players have more turnovers than anyone on the team, Cacok and Towes, but you can't sit them. At what cost do you sacrifice offense for defense? To me it boils down to we just don't have the guys to win consistently on the D1 level yet. As mullet said, Keatts left us in a bind, and it takes more than a season and a half to regroup. I've said it before, but I'm glad we have a coach that wants to be here, and am willing to give him a pass until he can get his guys in and make this his program. Unfortunately that may take a few years.
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I don't think it's as much the players as much as it is scheme and that is on the coaches. We can talk about everything else all day long but if the players are not being taught the right scheme the rest doesn't matter.
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(01-29-2019 08:50 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I don't think it's as much the players as much as it is scheme and that is on the coaches. We can talk about everything else all day long but if the players are not being taught the right scheme the rest doesn't matter.


I don’t want to assume, but it seems boogie was saying that we’ve discussed the coach and his schemes to an exhaustive point but haven’t really put enough of the responsibility on the players to play better on the defensive side of the floor.


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RE: Elon (Saturday, Jan 26, 4 PM)
(01-29-2019 09:22 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 08:50 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I don't think it's as much the players as much as it is scheme and that is on the coaches. We can talk about everything else all day long but if the players are not being taught the right scheme the rest doesn't matter.


I don’t want to assume, but it seems boogie was saying that we’ve discussed the coach and his schemes to an exhaustive point but haven’t really put enough of the responsibility on the players to play better on the defensive side of the floor.


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We started there. There were posts and posts and posts about players playing better D. Eventually, it's on the coaches
01-29-2019 09:24 AM
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RE: Elon (Saturday, Jan 26, 4 PM)
(01-28-2019 01:09 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Glad to see all the basketball coaching experts weigh in with their thoughts about a guy who came into a total mess. The previous coach dismantled the program but left the suckers wanting more. No recruiting class,team was senior heavy the year before,takes the best player with him and talks crap on the way out the door about the school that gave him a shot . I don't get the hate for the new guy at all but it is real on this board. Keatts won some games but did it about the same way CB plays right now-no defense and outscore the other team. Keatts just had better players and that is the big difference at this point. Maybe CB will get some guys that can make shots and win and if not we know what the deal is but why not at least give the guy a fair chance ? Maybe it is a UNC hate fest with the haters on the board-I do get that you guys have the butt hurt for them but it makes no sense to me.

I don't get the hate for the old guy....Maybe its butt hurt over what he has going on at NC State? and I'm not sure exactly what you are referencing with coach Keatts talking crap on the way out the door....HE is the one who came in here inheriting a team that was 9-23 overall & 3-13 in conference and led them to a first place regular season finish in the CAA at 12-6 & 18-14 overall. We all know the results of years #2 and 3 under coach Keatts. I also don't get the disdiain (jealousy) over CJ leaving...He was NOT staying here regardless of where he ended up, thats a fact.He elected to man up and give it a whirl on the big stage and right now that seems to be a pretty solid choice for the young man.To say that the program was dismantled is simply NOT true...CBs first team here averaged 79.4 points per game...65.7 of those points, or 83% of them were scored by players inherited from coach Keatts teams. We all see what the man has done both here, and now in Raleigh and it proves through hard work that you can put teams together in a makeshift manner and compete. Of course I get that making excuses is easier than hard work sometimes. This staff has a TON of work to do. It will be interesting to see if they are able to roll up their sleeves and accomplish their goals.
01-29-2019 12:35 PM
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RE: Elon (Saturday, Jan 26, 4 PM)
(01-29-2019 12:35 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  I don't get the hate for the old guy....Maybe its butt hurt over what he has going on at NC State? and I'm not sure exactly what you are referencing with coach Keatts talking crap on the way out the door.

Keatts told the incoming recruits not to come here after he decided to leave, basically telling them its not a good place to be. And he did this BEFORE we opted not to interview Siddle for the job.

He went out of his way to badmouth the program that gave him his first HC gig, and adored him while he was here.
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