(01-22-2019 11:47 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:21 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:07 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:03 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 10:58 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  You lost to a team thats 1-5. Are you just purposely being dense? Thats underachieving.

Oh, so now conference records matter?

It does if you actually want to make postseason play.

I was referring to your last post when you argued as to why a 2-4 usf team didn't necessarily mean they were underachieving. But now that it helps your argument you brought up WSU's 1-5 record.

Keep going. This is fun.

Ok. I'm going to lay this out for you one time. USF was picked to finish last in the league by the coaches. Last year they went 3-15 in conference play. This year, through 7 games they've already matched their win total. Additionally they've already played a lot of their tougher conference games (i.e. UC and Temple on the road and UH at home). They still have 5 winnable home games and a couple easier road games remaining. They should finish no worse than 8-10 with a legitimate shot at double digit conference wins. Again for a program that entered the year picked last and thus with little to no expectations, thats overachieving. Couple that with the fact that they return all four of their leading scorers next year and there is plenty of reason for USF fans to feel happy with where their program is going.

UCF was picked to win the league by the coaches and considered by most writers in the preseason as a legitimate NCAAT team. There was good reason for that as yall had been pretty close to the bubble the last couple of years but couldn't quite break through, largely due to injuries. That said with BJ, Tacko, and Aubrey the expectations for yall were high coming into the year. In the non-conference yall tallied two losses to (lets be honest), mediocre teams. FAU is currently 10th in C-USA and Mizzou who is 10th in the SEC. Having watched both of those games, yall really should have won both of those. Yall choked away a big lead against FAU and simply didn't close it out against Mizzou. Couple that with the fact that yall really didn't tally many quality wins in the non-conference and yall entered conference play with a flimsy resume that desperately needed a strong conference performance. Yall actually started off strong with three wins, two of which can actually be considered quality wins but then yall immediately went and lost to and young and struggling Wichita team. Then barely survived against Tulsa the other day. Based on the schedule yall've played there's really no reason yall shouldn't be 17-0. Instead yall are 14-3 with very little margin of error throughout the remainder of the year.

Full disclosure I've been rooting for you guys because I want yall to make the tourney but its going to take more than a modest 12-6 conference record at this point to get yall in. 25 wins is probably what yall will need to safely be in. 23-24 and yall will be sweating the bubble.

tl;dr

(01-23-2019 01:35 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:47 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:21 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:07 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:03 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Oh, so now conference records matter?

It does if you actually want to make postseason play.

I was referring to your last post when you argued as to why a 2-4 usf team didn't necessarily mean they were underachieving. But now that it helps your argument you brought up WSU's 1-5 record.

Keep going. This is fun.

Ok. I'm going to lay this out for you one time. USF was picked to finish last in the league by the coaches. Last year they went 3-15 in conference play. This year, through 7 games they've already matched their win total. Additionally they've already played a lot of their tougher conference games (i.e. UC and Temple on the road and UH at home). They still have 5 winnable home games and a couple easier road games remaining. They should finish no worse than 8-10 with a legitimate shot at double digit conference wins. Again for a program that entered the year picked last and thus with little to no expectations, thats overachieving. Couple that with the fact that they return all four of their leading scorers next year and there is plenty of reason for USF fans to feel happy with where their program is going.

UCF was picked to win the league by the coaches and considered by most writers in the preseason as a legitimate NCAAT team. There was good reason for that as yall had been pretty close to the bubble the last couple of years but couldn't quite break through, largely due to injuries. That said with BJ, Tacko, and Aubrey the expectations for yall were high coming into the year. In the non-conference yall tallied two losses to (lets be honest), mediocre teams. FAU is currently 10th in C-USA and Mizzou who is 10th in the SEC. Having watched both of those games, yall really should have won both of those. Yall choked away a big lead against FAU and simply didn't close it out against Mizzou. Couple that with the fact that yall really didn't tally many quality wins in the non-conference and yall entered conference play with a flimsy resume that desperately needed a strong conference performance. Yall actually started off strong with three wins, two of which can actually be considered quality wins but then yall immediately went and lost to and young and struggling Wichita team. Then barely survived against Tulsa the other day. Based on the schedule yall've played there's really no reason yall shouldn't be 17-0. Instead yall are 14-3 with very little margin of error throughout the remainder of the year.

Full disclosure I've been rooting for you guys because I want yall to make the tourney but its going to take more than a modest 12-6 conference record at this point to get yall in. 25 wins is probably what yall will need to safely be in. 23-24 and yall will be sweating the bubble.

tl;dr

Purposely dense, got it!

(01-22-2019 11:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 09:12 PM)GoShox7 Wrote:  Not counting the band....more than half the crowd is Shocker fans. We still support even is such a bad season. We need a point guard, badly.

Settle down. I was at the game. Wichita had a nice turn out, but it wasn't remotely close to 1/4 of the crowd let alone "more than half."

Strangest thing - Marshall barely let the team shoot around or warm up in either half. Might have contributed to the awful shooting.

USFFan

One of the cutting edge techniques in "coaching 'em up" these days is visualization. It's much more effective to have your players close your eyes in a quiet room with the lights dimmed and help them visualize making shots rather than have them go on the court and physically go through a monotonous lay-up line. While the results didnt show in the box score last night, I trust Coach Gregg's long term plan with these boys.

Marshall is coaching up the players, IMO. He has not suddenly started coaching in ways producing losses.

It takes more talent to win games in the AAC compared to the MVC. Give Marshall an NBA 1st rounder and a couple of 4 stars and I think WSU would contest very well for the top AAC slot.

Don't care about the back and forth but Gregory is doing great work getting us to be a middle of the pack team after several years in the basement.

(01-23-2019 06:45 AM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 09:12 PM)GoShox7 Wrote:  Not counting the band....more than half the crowd is Shocker fans. We still support even is such a bad season. We need a point guard, badly.

Settle down. I was at the game. Wichita had a nice turn out, but it wasn't remotely close to 1/4 of the crowd let alone "more than half."

Strangest thing - Marshall barely let the team shoot around or warm up in either half. Might have contributed to the awful shooting.

USFFan

One of the cutting edge techniques in "coaching 'em up" these days is visualization. It's much more effective to have your players close your eyes in a quiet room with the lights dimmed and help them visualize making shots rather than have them go on the court and physically go through a monotonous lay-up line. While the results didnt show in the box score last night, I trust Coach Gregg's long term plan with these boys.

I guarantee there was nothing quiet about the room that they were in at halftime ...

USF is having a good season and exceeding national expectations. However, locally those who follow the program understood the coaching staff's feeling that was not a bottom of the league outfit. So far the staff's insight that this could be a much improved team has proven to be on the mark.

I see at least 4-5 more wins on the schedule.

(01-23-2019 06:45 AM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 09:12 PM)GoShox7 Wrote:  Not counting the band....more than half the crowd is Shocker fans. We still support even is such a bad season. We need a point guard, badly.

Settle down. I was at the game. Wichita had a nice turn out, but it wasn't remotely close to 1/4 of the crowd let alone "more than half."

Strangest thing - Marshall barely let the team shoot around or warm up in either half. Might have contributed to the awful shooting.

USFFan

One of the cutting edge techniques in "coaching 'em up" these days is visualization. It's much more effective to have your players close your eyes in a quiet room with the lights dimmed and help them visualize making shots rather than have them go on the court and physically go through a monotonous lay-up line. While the results didnt show in the box score last night, I trust Coach Gregg's long term plan with these boys.

You better. He's 1-0 at Cincinnati with it.

(01-22-2019 12:09 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:39 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 10:45 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  USF by double digits. Got to get them NET points.

Na fam, we need WSU to win.


USF would need to get all the way to top 75 to be just a tier 2 win.

WSU meanwhile is already a tier 2 win and could get better if they keep winning. IF they move into top 75 it will be tier 1

I am saying what will happen. Not what I want to happen.

Called it.