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(01-30-2019 11:12 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 04:31 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
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(01-29-2019 03:18 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  BYU is mormon school University of the Pacific is methodist Pepperdine is Church of Christ so the WCC has already set the precedent for inviting not Catholic schools into the WCC. BYU entered 2011 Pacific 2013 and Pepperdine 1955. Do I think GCU gets an invite soon? I don't but these 3 schools have paved a way for GCU to make an argument to get an invite.

I don't know why everyone keeps thinking the WCC is looking to add or that GCU and Seattle fit the profile (not saying you are proposing this). Seattle definitely does more so than GCU. GCU is still very much tainted as a for profit school. Heck, Denver left the WAC due to their dislike of GCU's for profit status at the time.

The WCC just made huge concessions to keep Gonzaga. Now they are supposed to add more schools and take more bites out of the apple? I don't see it. I can find absolutely no reason why the WCC would want/need to add any schools.
First, GCU is not going to the WCC even if they got an invite. Period. GCU is very committed to the WAC.
Second, what do these posts have to do with WAC FCS football possibilities?
Third, why so much discussion about a "tainted" former for-profit institution? Hmm...

I was commenting on the ridiculous notion that 1) the WCC was even remotely looking to expand and 2) Seattle and GCU were prime candidates for expansion. These notions are mentioned in this thread, no?

No conference in the country would have taken GCU because of their for profit status. For whatever reason, it was a dark cloud that no one wanted to touch. Do you not believe this to be true? The WAC was and continues to be willing to take any warm body to keep the conference alive.

I'm not trying to bash GCU or poke you in the eye. I was trying to state what I considered to be facts. I like having GCU in the WAC and am glad they continue to improve. But man, you are starting to really make me dislike your school.
Posse, thanks for your comments. I will go back to being the positive, nice guy that I was in the past. 04-bow This month, I was just trying a new tactic which included (1) defending GCU no matter what, and (2) trying to drum up more traffic on this site by being a bit more aggressive in my comments. The dislike you are feeling towards GCU (due to my recent posts) is similar to the frustration many of us non-Aggie posters have felt for years. I agree with you that it does not feel good.
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(01-29-2019 09:40 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  Still, you're talking about a comparable situation to Pac 12 full of top 100 and elite Universities not inviting Boise State despite the athletic success. GCU can play off keeping out of the main school rankings but no school that scores highly would do that, it's to avoid the truth.

GCU would be in by now if they were a serious candidate. They'd raise the leagues profile immediately in statistical rankings. But the WCC is almost all majority top 100 insititutions, and I don't think anyone is lower than 130-something last I saw in the WCC (I remember seeing SU around #105 on that list).

I agree the WCC should add GCU for athletics, but they also would only be doing it to please Gonzaga basketball. They don't NEED GCU, so the amount of exceptions theyd have to make is a tough sell. While SU is the opposite, not brining anything but a mid-tier at best program to the WCC but fitting all other check boxes.

If it ever happens we will see. But I think in the WCCs current set up, they'd have expanded for the sake of better basketball already with GCU if they would make exceptions.

That also depends if the only possible flight risk, BYU, even gets replaced

This got me to thinking in a different direction.

Can we agree, in comparative terms at this point...

Gonzaga Basketball > Boise State Football ??

Mostly based on who's been to a national final in the last few years. Boise State hadn't even been regularly winning the Mountain West until the last couple years. Plus fans in Boise complain about empty seats... and have you priced Gonzaga tickets on the resale market?

Gonzaga tickets are the toughest get in the Northwest. The second toughest... might be the Seahawks, might be the Portland Timbers. Only one of the above mentioned is football.

Participation rates for football at the high school level are down by the highest percentages on the coasts, and I believe it's more so in California and Washington. That has to drive any football discussion being had right now. I see bunches of students wondering why anyone bothers. Now, when you consider whether you'd rather be Gonzaga or Boise State... maybe the WAC is on a path that shouldn't be disturbed by this potential distraction. Maybe... as the distinction changes a bit heavily when you get further inland from the coast.
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RE: How do you feel about WAC FCS football?
(01-30-2019 11:54 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 11:12 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 04:31 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 03:30 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 03:18 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  BYU is mormon school University of the Pacific is methodist Pepperdine is Church of Christ so the WCC has already set the precedent for inviting not Catholic schools into the WCC. BYU entered 2011 Pacific 2013 and Pepperdine 1955. Do I think GCU gets an invite soon? I don't but these 3 schools have paved a way for GCU to make an argument to get an invite.

I don't know why everyone keeps thinking the WCC is looking to add or that GCU and Seattle fit the profile (not saying you are proposing this). Seattle definitely does more so than GCU. GCU is still very much tainted as a for profit school. Heck, Denver left the WAC due to their dislike of GCU's for profit status at the time.

The WCC just made huge concessions to keep Gonzaga. Now they are supposed to add more schools and take more bites out of the apple? I don't see it. I can find absolutely no reason why the WCC would want/need to add any schools.
First, GCU is not going to the WCC even if they got an invite. Period. GCU is very committed to the WAC.
Second, what do these posts have to do with WAC FCS football possibilities?
Third, why so much discussion about a "tainted" former for-profit institution? Hmm...

I was commenting on the ridiculous notion that 1) the WCC was even remotely looking to expand and 2) Seattle and GCU were prime candidates for expansion. These notions are mentioned in this thread, no?

No conference in the country would have taken GCU because of their for profit status. For whatever reason, it was a dark cloud that no one wanted to touch. Do you not believe this to be true? The WAC was and continues to be willing to take any warm body to keep the conference alive.

I'm not trying to bash GCU or poke you in the eye. I was trying to state what I considered to be facts. I like having GCU in the WAC and am glad they continue to improve. But man, you are starting to really make me dislike your school.
Posse, thanks for your comments. I will go back to being the positive, nice guy that I was in the past. 04-bow This month, I was just trying a new tactic which included (1) defending GCU no matter what, and (2) trying to drum up more traffic on this site by being a bit more aggressive in my comments. The dislike you are feeling towards GCU (due to my recent posts) is similar to the frustration many of us non-Aggie posters have felt for years. I agree with you that it does not feel good.
Experiment concluded. Back to my normal self again. 05-stirthepot

I've felt the frustration from Aggie fans myself and spoke out against it on many occasions. The whole GCU/NMSU "thing" on these boards is weird to me.
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(01-30-2019 01:55 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 11:54 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 11:12 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 04:31 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 03:30 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I don't know why everyone keeps thinking the WCC is looking to add or that GCU and Seattle fit the profile (not saying you are proposing this). Seattle definitely does more so than GCU. GCU is still very much tainted as a for profit school. Heck, Denver left the WAC due to their dislike of GCU's for profit status at the time.

The WCC just made huge concessions to keep Gonzaga. Now they are supposed to add more schools and take more bites out of the apple? I don't see it. I can find absolutely no reason why the WCC would want/need to add any schools.
First, GCU is not going to the WCC even if they got an invite. Period. GCU is very committed to the WAC.
Second, what do these posts have to do with WAC FCS football possibilities?
Third, why so much discussion about a "tainted" former for-profit institution? Hmm...

I was commenting on the ridiculous notion that 1) the WCC was even remotely looking to expand and 2) Seattle and GCU were prime candidates for expansion. These notions are mentioned in this thread, no?

No conference in the country would have taken GCU because of their for profit status. For whatever reason, it was a dark cloud that no one wanted to touch. Do you not believe this to be true? The WAC was and continues to be willing to take any warm body to keep the conference alive.

I'm not trying to bash GCU or poke you in the eye. I was trying to state what I considered to be facts. I like having GCU in the WAC and am glad they continue to improve. But man, you are starting to really make me dislike your school.
Posse, thanks for your comments. I will go back to being the positive, nice guy that I was in the past. 04-bow This month, I was just trying a new tactic which included (1) defending GCU no matter what, and (2) trying to drum up more traffic on this site by being a bit more aggressive in my comments. The dislike you are feeling towards GCU (due to my recent posts) is similar to the frustration many of us non-Aggie posters have felt for years. I agree with you that it does not feel good.
Experiment concluded. Back to my normal self again. 05-stirthepot

I've felt the frustration from Aggie fans myself and spoke out against it on many occasions. The whole GCU/NMSU "thing" on these boards is weird to me.

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(01-30-2019 01:55 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 11:54 AM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(01-30-2019 11:12 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 04:31 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(01-29-2019 03:30 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I don't know why everyone keeps thinking the WCC is looking to add or that GCU and Seattle fit the profile (not saying you are proposing this). Seattle definitely does more so than GCU. GCU is still very much tainted as a for profit school. Heck, Denver left the WAC due to their dislike of GCU's for profit status at the time.

The WCC just made huge concessions to keep Gonzaga. Now they are supposed to add more schools and take more bites out of the apple? I don't see it. I can find absolutely no reason why the WCC would want/need to add any schools.
First, GCU is not going to the WCC even if they got an invite. Period. GCU is very committed to the WAC.
Second, what do these posts have to do with WAC FCS football possibilities?
Third, why so much discussion about a "tainted" former for-profit institution? Hmm...

I was commenting on the ridiculous notion that 1) the WCC was even remotely looking to expand and 2) Seattle and GCU were prime candidates for expansion. These notions are mentioned in this thread, no?

No conference in the country would have taken GCU because of their for profit status. For whatever reason, it was a dark cloud that no one wanted to touch. Do you not believe this to be true? The WAC was and continues to be willing to take any warm body to keep the conference alive.

I'm not trying to bash GCU or poke you in the eye. I was trying to state what I considered to be facts. I like having GCU in the WAC and am glad they continue to improve. But man, you are starting to really make me dislike your school.
Posse, thanks for your comments. I will go back to being the positive, nice guy that I was in the past. 04-bow This month, I was just trying a new tactic which included (1) defending GCU no matter what, and (2) trying to drum up more traffic on this site by being a bit more aggressive in my comments. The dislike you are feeling towards GCU (due to my recent posts) is similar to the frustration many of us non-Aggie posters have felt for years. I agree with you that it does not feel good.
Experiment concluded. Back to my normal self again. 05-stirthepot

I've felt the frustration from Aggie fans myself and spoke out against it on many occasions. The whole GCU/NMSU "thing" on these boards is weird to me.
100% agree. And yes, I remember you speaking out against some Aggie fans on here and getting chastised for it.
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I feel like GCU and now Cal Baptist is a legit threat to NMSU's reign in the WAC which is fine for me because I kinda hate the Aggies not so much as I hate Kansas
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I'm just not sure how the WAC can start up FCS football again. Best idea would be to convince UVU and/or GCU to start up a football program & a football only partnership with the Big Sky (so they can do a 9 team round robin) to bring Portland State, Sacramento State, Cal Poly, UC Davis would be 4 schools. I don't know if the FCS would allow an auto bid with 6 or 7 teams or not.
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(02-04-2019 02:32 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I'm just not sure how the WAC can start up FCS football again. Best idea would be to convince UVU and/or GCU to start up a football program & a football only partnership with the Big Sky (so they can do a 9 team round robin) to bring Portland State, Sacramento State, Cal Poly, UC Davis would be 4 schools. I don't know if the FCS would allow an auto bid with 6 or 7 teams or not.

You only need 6 teams for for an auto bid in FCS football.
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(02-04-2019 08:11 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(02-04-2019 02:32 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I'm just not sure how the WAC can start up FCS football again. Best idea would be to convince UVU and/or GCU to start up a football program & a football only partnership with the Big Sky (so they can do a 9 team round robin) to bring Portland State, Sacramento State, Cal Poly, UC Davis would be 4 schools. I don't know if the FCS would allow an auto bid with 6 or 7 teams or not.

You only need 6 teams for for an auto bid in FCS football.

If Dixie St was necessary for that league, it would take 7 years for to qualify for an autobid. Five for Dixie’s transition, and two to qualify for an autobid.

If UVU or GCU start fb, it will still take two years plus, considering that startup teams don’t play full FCS schedules.

If the WAC was serious about FCS, they could actually take six Big Sky FCS teams and be immediately eligible due to rules that allow six or more current schools that already have conference affiliation in another league would count. The NCHC, a new league at the time, qualified immediately for an autobid, as six of those schools came from the WCHA. The new WCHA, which was mostly CCHA schools, kept its old autobid as it never dissolved like the CCHA.
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Start it out as a FCS conference to help the schools with football to upgrade facilities. UTRGV could start football then. Later down the years, upgrade the conference to FBS, and you could actually grab some FCS schools who wants FBS like Lamar, SHSU and SFAU. Dixie State does have plans to get their stadium to 15,000 capacity. West Texas A&M could give the WAC the 7th, and maybe Tarleton State and Central Oklahoma could help in the future.
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Seattle, UVU, UMKC, Chi St, and NMSU are all out for various reasons.

That leaves Cal Bapt, GCU, and UTRGV as potential FCS start ups to join Dixie St but I don't know that Cal Bapt has the resources so let's say that only the later two start the sport.

That means they'd need to recruit APU, probably at least 2 TX or CO FB schools, plus lure San Diego in as an affiliate. Not completely impossible, but not exactly easy. You're not going to get SUU or the CA Big Sky affiliates to turn unless an autobid is firmly in place.
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(02-06-2019 09:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seattle, UVU, UMKC, Chi St, and NMSU are all out for various reasons.

That leaves Cal Bapt, GCU, and UTRGV as potential FCS start ups to join Dixie St but I don't know that Cal Bapt has the resources so let's say that only the later two start the sport.

That means they'd need to recruit APU, probably at least 2 TX or CO FB schools, plus lure San Diego in as an affiliate. Not completely impossible, but not exactly easy. You're not going to get SUU or the CA Big Sky affiliates to turn unless an autobid is firmly in place.
GCU is NOT starting a football program. Period. Full stop.
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Whats with everyone saying GCU should start football b/c they have money? Its lazy to just assume that b/c they have money that would want to blow some on fcs or fbs football when they have been say since day 1 football isn't in the plans.
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(02-06-2019 10:21 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(02-06-2019 09:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seattle, UVU, UMKC, Chi St, and NMSU are all out for various reasons.

That leaves Cal Bapt, GCU, and UTRGV as potential FCS start ups to join Dixie St but I don't know that Cal Bapt has the resources so let's say that only the later two start the sport.

That means they'd need to recruit APU, probably at least 2 TX or CO FB schools, plus lure San Diego in as an affiliate. Not completely impossible, but not exactly easy. You're not going to get SUU or the CA Big Sky affiliates to turn unless an autobid is firmly in place.
GCU is NOT starting a football program. Period. Full stop.
And UTRGV is highly unlikely as well. Regardless of what our Prez wants, we actually don't have that kind of money. We're laying off faculty without long-term contracts at the same time we had a good enrollment bump, which tells you something about the finances. I've heard the scholarship balance would require dumping either baseball (60+ year history) or men's soccer (just invested in a new field and building), maybe someone here who's an expert could comment.

And the method by which the report eventually got released (public information request by a newspaper, long after the committee supposedly wrapped up their work) suggests we were under pressure from Austin to stop pushing the idea at least for now.

And while I'm ranting....I don't understand the occasional hints here that UTRGV somehow wants to be in the Southland. No telling what our Prez and AD think, but there's no student, faculty, or community support for the idea. Our OOC schedule has plenty of Southland schools but the attendance is consistently poorer than for the WAC games. Most telling: the NMSU games have better turnout than our "rivalry" games with TAMUCC. Even with the 0-14 record...
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(02-06-2019 10:56 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Whats with everyone saying GCU should start football b/c they have money? Its lazy to just assume that b/c they have money that would want to blow some on fcs or fbs football when they have been say since day 1 football isn't in the plans.

Where does GCU go from here with basketball? Hope they become the second mid major program ever to do what Gonzaga does while they are in the WAC for the long term?

Football can do what Liberty is doing, buy your way to relevance nationally. Liberty is doing it with football where exposure is bigger and conference affiliation isn't needed if you have money. If that's not GCUs priority in athletics, and it's fine if it isn't, then I wouldn't start football. But if I was in charge or a GCU fan I'd want them to try and be the next BYU or even more. Scheduling wouldn't be hard either.

Football doesn't mean giving up on basketball either. Liberty, who has next to no bball history, is building a brand new arena
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(02-07-2019 01:45 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(02-06-2019 10:56 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Whats with everyone saying GCU should start football b/c they have money? Its lazy to just assume that b/c they have money that would want to blow some on fcs or fbs football when they have been say since day 1 football isn't in the plans.

Where does GCU go from here with basketball? Hope they become the second mid major program ever to do what Gonzaga does while they are in the WAC for the long term?

Football can do what Liberty is doing, buy your way to relevance nationally. Liberty is doing it with football where exposure is bigger and conference affiliation isn't needed if you have money. If that's not GCUs priority in athletics, and it's fine if it isn't, then I wouldn't start football. But if I was in charge or a GCU fan I'd want them to try and be the next BYU or even more. Scheduling wouldn't be hard either.

Football doesn't mean giving up on basketball either. Liberty, who has next to no bball history, is building a brand new arena

GCU has been clear and consistent about the intentions of its athletics programs, and basketball in particular. So much so that I'm sure fans of other schools could probably recite the standard Brian Mueller/Mike Vaught/Dan Majerle spiel. The plan hasn't changed from Day 1, and that plan has never included football. GCU athletics has done just fine without the boat anchor of football tied around its neck for nearly 70 years. Suggesting they start football now may be logical or conversationally convenient to the casual observer of GCU athletics, but it's just not going to happen. Any WAC FCS/FBS scenarios that involve GCU have drifted from conspiracy theory deep into the heart of fantasy land.
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(02-07-2019 04:52 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 01:45 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(02-06-2019 10:56 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Whats with everyone saying GCU should start football b/c they have money? Its lazy to just assume that b/c they have money that would want to blow some on fcs or fbs football when they have been say since day 1 football isn't in the plans.

Where does GCU go from here with basketball? Hope they become the second mid major program ever to do what Gonzaga does while they are in the WAC for the long term?

Football can do what Liberty is doing, buy your way to relevance nationally. Liberty is doing it with football where exposure is bigger and conference affiliation isn't needed if you have money. If that's not GCUs priority in athletics, and it's fine if it isn't, then I wouldn't start football. But if I was in charge or a GCU fan I'd want them to try and be the next BYU or even more. Scheduling wouldn't be hard either.

Football doesn't mean giving up on basketball either. Liberty, who has next to no bball history, is building a brand new arena

GCU has been clear and consistent about the intentions of its athletics programs, and basketball in particular. So much so that I'm sure fans of other schools could probably recite the standard Brian Mueller/Mike Vaught/Dan Majerle spiel. The plan hasn't changed from Day 1, and that plan has never included football. GCU athletics has done just fine without the boat anchor of football tied around its neck for nearly 70 years. Suggesting they start football now may be logical or conversationally convenient to the casual observer of GCU athletics, but it's just not going to happen. Any WAC FCS/FBS scenarios that involve GCU have drifted from conspiracy theory deep into the heart of fantasy land.

GCU doesn’t have to have a football team for a FCS WAC. I don’t see CBU or Seattle having a team either.

Guys, FCS is different. You can even have a football only conference.
The WAC could have 3 football playing schools and pick up 3 affiliates and be a FCS football conference.
FBS is different where 8 full members must have football, but that is not the topic at hand because the FBS dead and forever gone for the WAC.
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(02-07-2019 04:52 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 01:45 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(02-06-2019 10:56 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Whats with everyone saying GCU should start football b/c they have money? Its lazy to just assume that b/c they have money that would want to blow some on fcs or fbs football when they have been say since day 1 football isn't in the plans.

Where does GCU go from here with basketball? Hope they become the second mid major program ever to do what Gonzaga does while they are in the WAC for the long term?

Football can do what Liberty is doing, buy your way to relevance nationally. Liberty is doing it with football where exposure is bigger and conference affiliation isn't needed if you have money. If that's not GCUs priority in athletics, and it's fine if it isn't, then I wouldn't start football. But if I was in charge or a GCU fan I'd want them to try and be the next BYU or even more. Scheduling wouldn't be hard either.

Football doesn't mean giving up on basketball either. Liberty, who has next to no bball history, is building a brand new arena

GCU has been clear and consistent about the intentions of its athletics programs, and basketball in particular. So much so that I'm sure fans of other schools could probably recite the standard Brian Mueller/Mike Vaught/Dan Majerle spiel. The plan hasn't changed from Day 1, and that plan has never included football. GCU athletics has done just fine without the boat anchor of football tied around its neck for nearly 70 years. Suggesting they start football now may be logical or conversationally convenient to the casual observer of GCU athletics, but it's just not going to happen. Any WAC FCS/FBS scenarios that involve GCU have drifted from conspiracy theory deep into the heart of fantasy land.

I'm not saying they should, just what I'd prefer if I was a GCU fan. Since it doesn't mean giving up on basketball, it'd be a win-win imo. Especially when I don't see where basketball goes from here moving forward. But I'm also rooting for the WAC forever, so GCU staying long term isn't a bad thing!

But I didn't say stay FCS, I actually said go FBS Independent and follow the model Liberty is doing football-wise to become a BYU-type independent program. Either way it's personal preference, not saying GCU is wrong not to pursue it.
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RE: How do you feel about WAC FCS football?
(02-07-2019 10:16 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 04:52 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 01:45 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(02-06-2019 10:56 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Whats with everyone saying GCU should start football b/c they have money? Its lazy to just assume that b/c they have money that would want to blow some on fcs or fbs football when they have been say since day 1 football isn't in the plans.

Where does GCU go from here with basketball? Hope they become the second mid major program ever to do what Gonzaga does while they are in the WAC for the long term?

Football can do what Liberty is doing, buy your way to relevance nationally. Liberty is doing it with football where exposure is bigger and conference affiliation isn't needed if you have money. If that's not GCUs priority in athletics, and it's fine if it isn't, then I wouldn't start football. But if I was in charge or a GCU fan I'd want them to try and be the next BYU or even more. Scheduling wouldn't be hard either.

Football doesn't mean giving up on basketball either. Liberty, who has next to no bball history, is building a brand new arena

GCU has been clear and consistent about the intentions of its athletics programs, and basketball in particular. So much so that I'm sure fans of other schools could probably recite the standard Brian Mueller/Mike Vaught/Dan Majerle spiel. The plan hasn't changed from Day 1, and that plan has never included football. GCU athletics has done just fine without the boat anchor of football tied around its neck for nearly 70 years. Suggesting they start football now may be logical or conversationally convenient to the casual observer of GCU athletics, but it's just not going to happen. Any WAC FCS/FBS scenarios that involve GCU have drifted from conspiracy theory deep into the heart of fantasy land.

I'm not saying they should, just what I'd prefer if I was a GCU fan. Since it doesn't mean giving up on basketball, it'd be a win-win imo. Especially when I don't see where basketball goes from here moving forward. But I'm also rooting for the WAC forever, so GCU staying long term isn't a bad thing!

But I didn't say stay FCS, I actually said go FBS Independent and follow the model Liberty is doing football-wise to become a BYU-type independent program. Either way it's personal preference, not saying GCU is wrong not to pursue it.

It doesn't mean giving up basketball, but it does mean blowing up the athletic department (men's sports, in particular) to meet Title IX requirements and make football happen. Sure, GCU fans might say they would like to have football, but not at the expense of other sports and clubs on campus. Also, GCU's athletics department doesn't need the type of revenue typically generated by football to keep itself afloat. The feasibility study was done long ago, and it determined that football just doesn't make much sense for the GCU community.
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RE: How do you feel about WAC FCS football?
(02-07-2019 10:16 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 04:52 AM)gleadley Wrote:  
(02-07-2019 01:45 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  
(02-06-2019 10:56 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Whats with everyone saying GCU should start football b/c they have money? Its lazy to just assume that b/c they have money that would want to blow some on fcs or fbs football when they have been say since day 1 football isn't in the plans.

Where does GCU go from here with basketball? Hope they become the second mid major program ever to do what Gonzaga does while they are in the WAC for the long term?

Football can do what Liberty is doing, buy your way to relevance nationally. Liberty is doing it with football where exposure is bigger and conference affiliation isn't needed if you have money. If that's not GCUs priority in athletics, and it's fine if it isn't, then I wouldn't start football. But if I was in charge or a GCU fan I'd want them to try and be the next BYU or even more. Scheduling wouldn't be hard either.

Football doesn't mean giving up on basketball either. Liberty, who has next to no bball history, is building a brand new arena

GCU has been clear and consistent about the intentions of its athletics programs, and basketball in particular. So much so that I'm sure fans of other schools could probably recite the standard Brian Mueller/Mike Vaught/Dan Majerle spiel. The plan hasn't changed from Day 1, and that plan has never included football. GCU athletics has done just fine without the boat anchor of football tied around its neck for nearly 70 years. Suggesting they start football now may be logical or conversationally convenient to the casual observer of GCU athletics, but it's just not going to happen. Any WAC FCS/FBS scenarios that involve GCU have drifted from conspiracy theory deep into the heart of fantasy land.

I'm not saying they should, just what I'd prefer if I was a GCU fan. Since it doesn't mean giving up on basketball, it'd be a win-win imo. Especially when I don't see where basketball goes from here moving forward. But I'm also rooting for the WAC forever, so GCU staying long term isn't a bad thing!

But I didn't say stay FCS, I actually said go FBS Independent and follow the model Liberty is doing football-wise to become a BYU-type independent program. Either way it's personal preference, not saying GCU is wrong not to pursue it.
I know many see adding football as a promotional/public relations benefit, but the GCU administration (and many of us non-significant folks here at GCU) do not see it that way. They see football as a lose-lose scenario for many reasons. Below are a few:
(1) The need to either cut existing men's programs or add several additional women's sports to stay complaint with Title IX regulations. Since GCU already has almost every women's sport under the sun, it is not feasible to add more and it is cost prohibitive.
(2) American football is not as popular in Arizona as it is in other parts of the country. Real football (i.e., soccer) has a huge following in Arizona and GCU has invested greatly in this sport.
(3) I've heard some in the administration comment on the violence of football and the other health concerns that come along with the sport. They do not feel it fits with the culture of GCU. Contrary to popular belief not everything at GCU is about marketing/branding. There are some underlying cultural values that determine a lot of the decisions that are made.
(4) For most schools, football is a money pit. Large stadiums sit vacant for most of the year and yet still require upkeep. GCU's soccer stadium and GCU's basketball arena are multi-use. They seldom sit vacant even during the off seasons of those sports.
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