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(01-19-2019 07:40 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 07:35 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Give Robinson a freaking break man. The guy plays like 6 mins a game. He had a bucket and a couple boards. He’s in his last year. He’s had a tough career. I don’t see him hurting the team.. he’s contributed in a couple games. There’s nothing wrong with him eating up a few minutes. We all understand... u don’t like him. Freaking get over it. Some people on here are unbelievable...

Disagree. He is useless, doesn’t seem interested and is mostly a liability. Doesn’t deserve to be starting or really taking any minutes. What am I missing?

That he's not playing many minutes, and zero crunch time minutes and if someone ahead of him gets hurt him getting a bit of run will be helpful.

No sign of Oliver Thursday or tonight. Anything going on?

(01-19-2019 08:40 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 07:50 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Why is “starting” the game such a huge deal? The coach obviously doesn’t want his young bigs picking up cheap early fouls. Trying to see how the refs are calling the game down low early. Not the first time I’ve seen it.

It’s not. People who don’t know hoop think it’s a big deal. If he were out there during the last 3-5 minutes in a close game (assuming he hasn’t had a stellar game and/or no other options are available), then people should worry

Hmmmm when you lose a game by 1 point and you look back at the first two minutes of each half and see NO production out of your starting center, to me that's a big deal. It's not like we can afford to give away four minutes of each game like that. Put somebody in that will at least try. I don't see any effort, emotion or intimidation out of Robinson. If we could only bring Wilson Washington back to work on Robinson's mental make-up!!!

(01-20-2019 10:05 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 08:40 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 07:50 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Why is “starting” the game such a huge deal? The coach obviously doesn’t want his young bigs picking up cheap early fouls. Trying to see how the refs are calling the game down low early. Not the first time I’ve seen it.

It’s not. People who don’t know hoop think it’s a big deal. If he were out there during the last 3-5 minutes in a close game (assuming he hasn’t had a stellar game and/or no other options are available), then people should worry

Hmmmm when you lose a game by 1 point and you look back at the first two minutes of each half and see NO production out of your starting center, to me that's a big deal. It's not like we can afford to give away four minutes of each game like that. Put somebody in that will at least try. I don't see any effort, emotion or intimidation out of Robinson. If we could only bring Wilson Washington back to work on Robinson's mental make-up!!!

I’m struggling to figure out which game it was in which he started that we lost by 1 point... but ok. You’re very hung up on the “starting” aspect of this entire thing.

(01-20-2019 10:05 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 08:40 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 07:50 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Why is “starting” the game such a huge deal? The coach obviously doesn’t want his young bigs picking up cheap early fouls. Trying to see how the refs are calling the game down low early. Not the first time I’ve seen it.

It’s not. People who don’t know hoop think it’s a big deal. If he were out there during the last 3-5 minutes in a close game (assuming he hasn’t had a stellar game and/or no other options are available), then people should worry

Hmmmm when you lose a game by 1 point and you look back at the first two minutes of each half and see NO production out of your starting center, to me that's a big deal. It's not like we can afford to give away four minutes of each game like that. Put somebody in that will at least try. I don't see any effort, emotion or intimidation out of Robinson. If we could only bring Wilson Washington back to work on Robinson's mental make-up!!!

Lose by 1 point and want to blame the guy that played 5 mins?

If you want to criticize Robinsons production; fine, but no need to criticize his character. He goes out and gives it his all.

We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

If you think ONE player is the reason why the team has slow starts, you absolutely don’t know basketball.

Could be that we start him to get a feel for how the game is going to be called as far as physical play . No need to get quick whistles on DD when he foul prone.

(01-20-2019 11:53 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

If you think ONE player is the reason why the team has slow starts, you absolutely don’t know basketball.

I wouldn’t start him or Carver. Two guys who can’t score out of 5 usually isn’t going to get you a hot start offensively. You probably have a display case full of participation trophies based on your logic of starting a guy who gets yanked at the 17 min mark every game and doesn’t see the floor again until the start of the second half. You ever coached before? Did you use to start your 3rd best player just for the hell of it?

(01-20-2019 11:56 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:53 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

If you think ONE player is the reason why the team has slow starts, you absolutely don’t know basketball.

I wouldn’t start him or Carver. Two guys who can’t score out of 5 usually isn’t going to get you a hot start offensively. You probably have a display case full of participation trophies based on you logic of starting a guy who gets yanked at the 17 min mark every game and doesn’t see the floor again until the start of the second half. You ever coached before? Did you used to start your 3rd best player just for the hell of it?

So now you have a problem with Carver and Robinson starting? Or did you just need to add Carver into the mix since I said you can’t blame ONE player for slow starts?

There is a reason why Carver starts and even the most anti Carver fans have conceded that he should start based on what he brings.

How many fouls does Dickins and KE average a game? Have you not figured out the Jones is buying time with Robinson?

As for the participation trophies, I have zero. AAU and the NCAA doesn’t hand them out. I’ve (co)coached a couple of AAU teams. And surprisingly we didn’t start are best 5 for a multitude of reasons: some guys are better off the bench, some were foul prone, etc.

What’s in your trophy case? And since you’re questioning my coaching experience feel free to drop your resume

(01-20-2019 11:54 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  Could be that we start him to get a feel for how the game is going to be called as far as physical play . No need to get quick whistles on DD when he foul prone.

Why the hell would any coach do that? Let’sGoOdu thinks it’s stupid to start someone who isn’t the best player! Just let Dickins pick up a foul in the first 2 minutes AND if he picks up his second in the 1st 8 mins no big deal.

(01-20-2019 12:03 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:56 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:53 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

If you think ONE player is the reason why the team has slow starts, you absolutely don’t know basketball.

I wouldn’t start him or Carver. Two guys who can’t score out of 5 usually isn’t going to get you a hot start offensively. You probably have a display case full of participation trophies based on you logic of starting a guy who gets yanked at the 17 min mark every game and doesn’t see the floor again until the start of the second half. You ever coached before? Did you used to start your 3rd best player just for the hell of it?

So now you have a problem with Carver and Robinson starting? Or did you just need to add Carver into the mix since I said you can’t blame ONE player for slow starts?

There is a reason why Carver starts and even the most anti Carver fans have conceded that he should start based on what he brings.

How many fouls does Dickins and KE average a game? Have you not figured out the Jones is buying time with Robinson?

As for the participation trophies, I have zero. AAU and the NCAA doesn’t hand them out. I’ve (co)coached a couple of AAU teams. And surprisingly we didn’t start are best 5 for a multitude of reasons: some guys are better off the bench, some were foul prone, etc.

What’s in your trophy case? And since you’re questioning my coaching experience feel free to drop your resume

I’ve stated numerous times in other threads I don’t believe Carver or Robinson should be starting. Trust me, totally agree you don’t always start your best five for various reasons...but you also don’t start your 3rd best player at the position and expect to get much of anything done. The argument all season is slow starts...him and Carver are two big reasons why IMO. I’d rather see Dickens start, and you have Ezikpe come in if he picks up a quick one. Robinson would be perfect to put in for a couple of breather minutes later in the half when hopefully we’ve gotten that hot start we all want.

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

Some people complain about slow starts; some realize, like all teams, some starts have been slow, some fast.

The first 2 minutes of the game that Robinson plays is no more important than any other 2 minutes.

(01-20-2019 11:56 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:53 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

If you think ONE player is the reason why the team has slow starts, you absolutely don’t know basketball.

I wouldn’t start him or Carver. Two guys who can’t score out of 5 usually isn’t going to get you a hot start offensively. You probably have a display case full of participation trophies based on your logic of starting a guy who gets yanked at the 17 min mark every game and doesn’t see the floor again until the start of the second half. You ever coached before? Did you use to start your 3rd best player just for the hell of it?

What was the score in the initial 3 minute stretch yesterday?

I believe it was 2-0 when Robinson went out vs WKY.... think we had lead vs Marshall, LT, and FIU. Not sure about FAU.

(01-20-2019 12:17 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 12:03 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:56 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:53 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

If you think ONE player is the reason why the team has slow starts, you absolutely don’t know basketball.

I wouldn’t start him or Carver. Two guys who can’t score out of 5 usually isn’t going to get you a hot start offensively. You probably have a display case full of participation trophies based on you logic of starting a guy who gets yanked at the 17 min mark every game and doesn’t see the floor again until the start of the second half. You ever coached before? Did you used to start your 3rd best player just for the hell of it?

So now you have a problem with Carver and Robinson starting? Or did you just need to add Carver into the mix since I said you can’t blame ONE player for slow starts?

There is a reason why Carver starts and even the most anti Carver fans have conceded that he should start based on what he brings.

How many fouls does Dickins and KE average a game? Have you not figured out the Jones is buying time with Robinson?

As for the participation trophies, I have zero. AAU and the NCAA doesn’t hand them out. I’ve (co)coached a couple of AAU teams. And surprisingly we didn’t start are best 5 for a multitude of reasons: some guys are better off the bench, some were foul prone, etc.

What’s in your trophy case? And since you’re questioning my coaching experience feel free to drop your resume

I’ve stated numerous times in other threads I don’t believe Carver or Robinson should be starting. Trust me, totally agree you don’t always start your best five for various reasons...but you also don’t start your 3rd best player at the position and expect to get much of anything done. The argument all season is slow starts...him and Carver are two big reasons why IMO. I’d rather see Dickens start, and you have Ezikpe come in if he picks up a quick one. Robinson would be perfect to put in for a couple of breather minutes later in the half when hopefully we’ve gotten that hot start we all want.

Are you saying that both Carver and Robinson are 3rd at their position? I can argue that's true for Robinson, but not Carver. Regardless, Carver will be starting for the rest of the season so that can be put to bed (it's just the Denzell Taylor thread all over again).

Now the starting debate with Robinson rests on the coaching philosophy. He's going to get in, regardless of how "bad" he plays. I feel that if he's only going to get ~6-8min per game, put him in the beginning of each half when he's already warm. That way you can see what he's going to bring. The other aspect is not in starting, but who's better coming off the bench. Dajour has started several games, and so far he's played better coming off the bench.

(01-20-2019 12:26 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:56 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:53 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 11:51 AM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  We ***** about slow starts yet you’re ok with continuing to start the worst player we have at his position. I guess I don’t know basketball though.

If you think ONE player is the reason why the team has slow starts, you absolutely don’t know basketball.

I wouldn’t start him or Carver. Two guys who can’t score out of 5 usually isn’t going to get you a hot start offensively. You probably have a display case full of participation trophies based on your logic of starting a guy who gets yanked at the 17 min mark every game and doesn’t see the floor again until the start of the second half. You ever coached before? Did you use to start your 3rd best player just for the hell of it?

What was the score in the initial 3 minute stretch yesterday?

I believe it was 2-0 when Robinson went out vs WKY.... think we had lead vs Marshall, LT, and FIU. Not sure about FAU.

I recall being up 7-0 this game. Robinson got subbed out when it was 7-2, Monarchs.

I like it when we win by 20. Doesn't happen often, but when it does, it causes the most random arguments on here.

There needs to be an end to the Carver playing time debate . He is one of our best players. It is obvious he is not an offensive threat .... however he is one of our best defenders and rebounder ... I think some mentioned they don’t know enough about the game of basketball but one thing for sure most are good at complaints ...

AC averages almost 12 rb/ 40 min by far the best rebounder on the team. 6-7 225 the Strongest guy on the team, doesn’t get pushed around, one of our best defenders.........a valuable part

Underrated passer as well