Honest question here: what kind of performance would a program like Dayton or St Louis have to deliver for the Big East to being them in?

Butler needed two title game appearance to get admitted to the club. Is that still the going rate?

(01-23-2019 08:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Honest question here: what kind of performance would a program like Dayton or St Louis have to deliver for the Big East to being them in?

Butler needed two title game appearance to get admitted to the club. Is that still the going rate?

Butler happened to have peaked at the right time and filled a geographical gap. Just terrific timing!

(01-23-2019 08:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Honest question here: what kind of performance would a program like Dayton or St Louis have to deliver for the Big East to being them in?

Butler needed two title game appearance to get admitted to the club. Is that still the going rate?

Well, it sounds like Saint Louis lost their spot to Creighton, so, not much of anything?

Whereas Dayton? Move its campus to the other side of the state maybe, to Cleveland?

From what I've read, Butler's in because of Xavier. Xavier wanted them in the A10, and then with them in the Big East. And many in the Big East had their eyes on Xavier for some time, even if it wasn't going over in Cincinnati's other school. I mean, it becomes easy to take Butler with two runner-up banners, but if Xavier was target #1 after the split, at worst, Butler was a cost of doing business with Xavier?

(01-23-2019 08:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Honest question here: what kind of performance would a program like Dayton or St Louis have to deliver for the Big East to being them in?

Butler needed two title game appearance to get admitted to the club. Is that still the going rate?

Since I think the #11 slot is being held for SLU, I'll throw this out:
1.) SLU is in the A10 tourney championship game this year and next;
2.) Travis Ford promises he will stay for a few years; and
3.) SLU which is 63rd in basketball spending at $6,414,061 promises to maintain (or increase) that level
...then, yeah, they get the invite.

(01-23-2019 10:13 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 08:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Honest question here: what kind of performance would a program like Dayton or St Louis have to deliver for the Big East to being them in?

Butler needed two title game appearance to get admitted to the club. Is that still the going rate?

Since I think the #11 slot is being held for SLU, I'll throw this out:
1.) SLU is in the A10 tourney championship game this year and next;
2.) Travis Ford promises he will stay for a few years; and
3.) SLU which is 63rd in basketball spending at $6,414,061 promises to maintain (or increase) that level
...then, yeah, they get the invite.

#1 is going to be close to impossible with the losses they're going to be taking this year- losing 5 of their top 8 picks....

And LOL really at #2.

SLU needs more than a 2 year good period to get into the Big East.

SLU to Ackerman: Hi, we’re here for the audition for the Fordham role...

(01-24-2019 05:07 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  SLU to Ackerman: Hi, we’re here for the audition for the Fordham role...

We already have DePaul, tho....

I mean, if it were Saint Atlanta U, or Saint DFW U, maybe?

(01-24-2019 09:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 05:07 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  SLU to Ackerman: Hi, we’re here for the audition for the Fordham role...

We already have DePaul, tho....

I mean, if it were Saint Atlanta U, or Saint DFW U, maybe?

DePaul might not be total trash next year.

Still think the conference should only expand for a program that moves the needle. Currently, none of the viable options do.

(01-24-2019 09:54 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 09:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 05:07 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  SLU to Ackerman: Hi, we’re here for the audition for the Fordham role...

We already have DePaul, tho....

I mean, if it were Saint Atlanta U, or Saint DFW U, maybe?

DePaul might not be total trash next year.

Still think the conference should only expand for a program that moves the needle. Currently, none of the viable options do.

they aren't total trash this year. On the seed list from Bracketville that was done on Tuesday- they were the 16th team out of the tourney right now, 1 behind Providence. They're 3-4 in the Big East this year with according to Ken Pom having played the 2nd toughest Big East conference schedule so far behind only Creighton.

(01-24-2019 10:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 09:54 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 09:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 05:07 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  SLU to Ackerman: Hi, we’re here for the audition for the Fordham role...

We already have DePaul, tho....

I mean, if it were Saint Atlanta U, or Saint DFW U, maybe?

DePaul might not be total trash next year.

Still think the conference should only expand for a program that moves the needle. Currently, none of the viable options do.

they aren't total trash this year. On the seed list from Bracketville that was done on Tuesday- they were the 16th team out of the tourney right now, 1 behind Providence. They're 3-4 in the Big East this year with according to Ken Pom having played the 2nd toughest Big East conference schedule so far behind only Creighton.

I was at the game last night. DePaul is still total trash this year (although, I think they will beat Marquette in Chicago. MU plays down to their level of competition, and frankly, the game seems to mean more to DePaul.). DePaul's 3 leading scorers are seniors, so they will trying to rebuild again next year. Reed and the point are okay, but the point can't shoot at all. I understand they beat Hall twice and SJU, but they are not good and there is not enough talent on the roster to turn the program around in the next couple of years. Consequently, I would expect DL to get fired in a couple years and the rebuilding process to start all over again.

I don't get the all the expansion talk. There is simply no reason to add SLU to the conference. If they have a 20 year run of success like Creighton or Butler, then they might make sense. However, they have never had long term success. They are simply another mouth to feed. Unless a school adds financially to the tv contract or generates fan interest, which SLU doesn't in both respects, there is no reason to add them. Just like DePaul, no one goes to a game to see SLU. Last night's game against Marquette was the smallest crowd of the year for MU, in terms of butts in the seats, at the new arena. For DePaul's alleged biggest conference rival, the game meant nothing to the fans. At least DePaul bring publicity in Chicago, and hence, tv dollars. SLU does nothing.

(01-24-2019 11:13 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 10:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 09:54 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 09:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 05:07 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  SLU to Ackerman: Hi, we’re here for the audition for the Fordham role...

We already have DePaul, tho....

I mean, if it were Saint Atlanta U, or Saint DFW U, maybe?

DePaul might not be total trash next year.

Still think the conference should only expand for a program that moves the needle. Currently, none of the viable options do.

they aren't total trash this year. On the seed list from Bracketville that was done on Tuesday- they were the 16th team out of the tourney right now, 1 behind Providence. They're 3-4 in the Big East this year with according to Ken Pom having played the 2nd toughest Big East conference schedule so far behind only Creighton.

I was at the game last night. DePaul is still total trash this year (although, I think they will beat Marquette in Chicago. MU plays down to their level of competition, and frankly, the game seems to mean more to DePaul.). DePaul's 3 leading scorers are seniors, so they will trying to rebuild again next year. Reed and the point are okay, but the point can't shoot at all. I understand they beat Hall twice and SJU, but they are not good and there is not enough talent on the roster to turn the program around in the next couple of years. Consequently, I would expect DL to get fired in a couple years and the rebuilding process to start all over again.

I don't get the all the expansion talk. There is simply no reason to add SLU to the conference. If they have a 20 year run of success like Creighton or Butler, then they might make sense. However, they have never had long term success. They are simply another mouth to feed. Unless a school adds financially to the tv contract or generates fan interest, which SLU doesn't in both respects, there is no reason to add them. Just like DePaul, no one goes to a game to see SLU. Last night's game against Marquette was the smallest crowd of the year for MU, in terms of butts in the seats, at the new arena. For DePaul's alleged biggest conference rival, the game meant nothing to the fans. At least DePaul bring publicity in Chicago, and hence, tv dollars. SLU does nothing.

If DePaul is total trash, what does that say about Seton Hall and St John's- who DePaul has beaten already in conference play? Especially Seton Hall, who they beat twice? Very possible DePaul doesn't play on Wednesday in the BET.

SJU is horrible away from home. Plus, Ponds didn't play against DePaul. He is far and away SJU's best player. As for SH, they are up and down. Can't shoot consistently. Powell hit 6 threes (55%) against Kentucky in the upset. He was 2 for 8 against DePaul in the loss. Seton Hall is also young. I think they only have 1 senior on the roster. Hence, the inconsistency and difficulty closing out games is understandable.

DePaul is playing with 3 seniors getting the majority of their minutes. This should be one of their better teams in recent history. However, I can't see them winning more than 8 games in conference and I think that is a huge stretch. I am thinking 6-12 in the conference is more likely. Yes, there are 200 teams worse than DePaul this year. I guess total trash is an overstatement. However, they are not good and they are not well coached.

(01-24-2019 11:44 AM)MU88 Wrote:  SJU is horrible away from home. Plus, Ponds didn't play against DePaul. He is far and away SJU's best player. As for SH, they are up and down. Can't shoot consistently. Powell hit 6 threes (55%) against Kentucky in the upset. He was 2 for 8 against DePaul in the loss. Seton Hall is also young. I think they only have 1 senior on the roster. Hence, the inconsistency and difficulty closing out games is understandable.

DePaul is playing with 3 seniors getting the majority of their minutes. This should be one of their better teams in recent history. However, I can't see them winning more than 8 games in conference and I think that is a huge stretch. I am thinking 6-12 in the conference is more likely. Yes, there are 200 teams worse than DePaul this year. I guess total trash is an overstatement. However, they are not good and they are not well coached.

The SJU game was at SJU.

I'd say DePaul is probably in the top 100 right now. With some luck, they might make the NIT. They have a good recruiting class coming in and they've made a lot of progress...

No one in the Big East is waiting for SLU. A different school of thought wants Virginia Commonwealth, but I'd pass on both.

(01-24-2019 11:13 AM)MU88 Wrote:  I was at the game last night. DePaul is still total trash this year (although, I think they will beat Marquette in Chicago. MU plays down to their level of competition, and frankly, the game seems to mean more to DePaul.). DePaul's 3 leading scorers are seniors, so they will trying to rebuild again next year. Reed and the point are okay, but the point can't shoot at all. I understand they beat Hall twice and SJU, but they are not good and there is not enough talent on the roster to turn the program around in the next couple of years. Consequently, I would expect DL to get fired in a couple years and the rebuilding process to start all over again.

I don't get the all the expansion talk. There is simply no reason to add SLU to the conference. If they have a 20 year run of success like Creighton or Butler, then they might make sense. However, they have never had long term success. They are simply another mouth to feed. Unless a school adds financially to the tv contract or generates fan interest, which SLU doesn't in both respects, there is no reason to add them. Just like DePaul, no one goes to a game to see SLU. Last night's game against Marquette was the smallest crowd of the year for MU, in terms of butts in the seats, at the new arena. For DePaul's alleged biggest conference rival, the game meant nothing to the fans. At least DePaul bring publicity in Chicago, and hence, tv dollars. SLU does nothing.

Regarding attendance, the game was late on a Tuesday night. For any BE team other than Villanova, blaming the opponent for the slight drop in attendance (still nearly 15k there) is miscalculated. If the game was on Friday/Saturday/Sunday, I believe that game would still have been a sellout (due to the MU fans, not necessarily the lack of opponent).

I don't think you can label DePaul as "trash" this year. They are clearly improved and have beat some tough Big East opponents thus far already this year. By proclaiming that MU can lose to them as well, there needs to be some talent on their team in order for that to happen as well. Will they make the tournament? Probably not. However, they are not a cellar-dweller this year, which speaks volumes since that's all they've been since 2005. I would be happy for them to make the NIT.

The outlook for them is higher than its been in a long time. They finally have some impact recruits coming in, along with some transfers, and they are beginning to win some conference games. If they begin to win again, fans will start coming back - and that is great news not only for DePaul but for the conference as well.

If the BE can get UConn, then I'd scoop VCU and call it a day. If not, then just pump the brakes on the expansion talk.

(01-24-2019 01:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  If the BE can get UConn, then I'd scoop VCU and call it a day. If not, then just pump the brakes on the expansion talk.

yeah, I think if UConn leaves the AAC, VCU will be gone from the A10- to either the Big East as #12 or to the AAC as the basketball replacement.

It's a no from me dawg, on all of them.

• St. Louis is doing just fine in the A10. It is still the junior league to the Big East, but head and shoulders above the current MVC. Sure, the Billikens would prefer games vs. Creighton, Marquette, and DePaul, but they're going to be just fine.

• VCU to the Big East does not sound likely at all. If the Big East was interested, it would have happened by now. UConn is the only public school I see the Big East offering a spot to.

• If any private school is considered, it should be Dayton (also would have happened by now). It's a shame the XU-UD series was lost to realignment. Notre Dame, Dayton, DePaul, and Marquette had a home-and-home scheduling alliance as powerful independents in the 80's while Xavier was in the Midwestern Collegiate Conference (modern day Horizon League) with St. Louis. Xavier definitely utilized the resources of the A10 in building their program.

I would hardly call the gap between the A10 and the MVC as being head and shoulders above.

right now in Ken Pom-
gap between A10 and MAC- 2.63
gap between A10 and MVC- 1.76

oh and for those morons that think the A10 and AAC are on the same level-
gulf between AAC and A10- 5.31
Gap between A10 and #18 Horizon- 5.55