(01-17-2019 03:55 PM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  Yes, but what's his Player Efficiency Rating?!?!?!?!?

1.6 PER

(01-17-2019 04:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is a reach

so he was a 5star in high school by only 1 site (3 or 4 by everyone else), then went to juco where his rating was downgraded, then went to tcu where he underperformed but ucf is selling it like its a 5star

also whats the eligibity situation? 1.5 years of eligibility?

This is essentially a more extreme version of the same logic you tried to pull with Hinton

(01-18-2019 11:10 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 03:55 PM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  Yes, but what's his Player Efficiency Rating?!?!?!?!?

1.6 PER

(01-17-2019 04:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is a reach

so he was a 5star in high school by only 1 site (3 or 4 by everyone else), then went to juco where his rating was downgraded, then went to tcu where he underperformed but ucf is selling it like its a 5star

also whats the eligibity situation? 1.5 years of eligibility?

This is essentially a more extreme version of the same logic you tried to pull with Hinton

The article said he was a 5 star on Rivals. He was never a 5 star on Rivals.

Well all stars aside, I hope this guy works out for you.

3.3 PPG and 2.5 RPG in 13 minutes isn't bad if he is going to give the same kind of production in a back up role. The Juco Stats are ok. For Comparison Isiah Maurice averaged 12.9 PPG and 5.9 RPG for the JUCO National Title team. In 13.4 MPG he is averaging 6.1 PPG and 3.1 RPG. So very very comparable to what Alok did at the D1 level. Isiaah Maurice is more of a stretch 4 though having to play inside most times he's on the court due to our inside depth. He a 40+% 3 point shooter that doesn't really get to shoot 3's. The limited amount he has gotten to shoot this year is still at a 37.5% rate.

So in saying all of that, knowing they are completely different players that will play in completely different systems. I think if Alok can come in. Recover fully from his injury and give you 13 MPG at a rate similar to Maurice is for the Tigers this season UCF fans will be happy about the signing.

A potential 3rd option avging 6 ppg and 3 rpg is a good 3rd option.

Congrats on the signing!

Also, did they update the article? Mentions nothing about a 5 star anywhere in there unless I missed it. I see #1 Juco but nothing about stars.

(01-20-2019 09:22 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Also, did they update the article? Mentions nothing about a 5 star anywhere in there unless I missed it. I see #1 Juco but nothing about stars.

Yah, they updated to remove the part about him being a former 5*.

(01-20-2019 09:24 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 09:22 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Also, did they update the article? Mentions nothing about a 5 star anywhere in there unless I missed it. I see #1 Juco but nothing about stars.

Yah, they updated to remove the part about him being a former 5*.

Gotcha, didn't see it until today. Thanks for clarifying I was about to check it for the 3rd time to make sure I wasn't going crazy.

We're going to be awful next year. It's tourney or bust.

(01-20-2019 09:19 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Well all stars aside, I hope this guy works out for you.

3.3 PPG and 2.5 RPG in 13 minutes isn't bad if he is going to give the same kind of production in a back up role. The Juco Stats are ok. For Comparison Isiah Maurice averaged 12.9 PPG and 5.9 RPG for the JUCO National Title team. In 13.4 MPG he is averaging 6.1 PPG and 3.1 RPG. So very very comparable to what Alok did at the D1 level. Isiaah Maurice is more of a stretch 4 though having to play inside most times he's on the court due to our inside depth. He a 40+% 3 point shooter that doesn't really get to shoot 3's. The limited amount he has gotten to shoot this year is still at a 37.5% rate.

So in saying all of that, knowing they are completely different players that will play in completely different systems. I think if Alok can come in. Recover fully from his injury and give you 13 MPG at a rate similar to Maurice is for the Tigers this season UCF fans will be happy about the signing.



A potential 3rd option avging 6 ppg and 3 rpg is a good 3rd option.

Congrats on the signing!

This is why you can't just eyeball the counting stats and get any sense of what it actually means. Isiah Maurice had a 14.6 PER, Alok had a 1.6 PER. That's like an average player vs one of the worst in basketball. Farther more Maurice had a 12.0 PER at Kansas State before that as a freshman in a similar rotation role.

Most of the reason is Alok is a turnover machine, something most people ignore but it's a big deal. 1.4 turnovers in 13 minutes is insane for a center while also getting no assist, blocks, or steals to justify having him on the court fumbling it away, and a true shooting percentage of .481 which is terrible. So what does he do, even his rebounding is weak especially for a center.

(01-18-2019 11:10 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is a reach

so he was a 5star in high school by only 1 site (3 or 4 by everyone else), then went to juco where his rating was downgraded, then went to tcu where he underperformed but ucf is selling it like its a 5star

also whats the eligibity situation? 1.5 years of eligibility?

This is essentially a more extreme version of the same logic you tried to pull with Hinton

no its not....everyone still thinks hinton will be special...hinton would likely be given a higher than he did after high school..

last week rothstein called him a top 20 freshmen

the smu announcers last week just said he will win player of the year before he is done at houston
the announcers for usf 2 days ago bragged for about 10 mins about how special he will be

almost everyone thinks as soon as soon as galen/corey graduate that he will take over ..

how is that the same as a guy most consider a flop?

(01-21-2019 10:50 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:10 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is a reach

so he was a 5star in high school by only 1 site (3 or 4 by everyone else), then went to juco where his rating was downgraded, then went to tcu where he underperformed but ucf is selling it like its a 5star

also whats the eligibity situation? 1.5 years of eligibility?

This is essentially a more extreme version of the same logic you tried to pull with Hinton

no its not....everyone still thinks hinton will be special...hinton would likely be given a higher than he did after high school..

last week rothstein called him a top 20 freshmen

the smu announcers last week just said he will win player of the year before he is done at houston
the announcers for usf 2 days ago bragged for about 10 mins about how special he will be

almost everyone thinks as soon as soon as galen/corey graduate that he will take over ..

how is that the same as a guy most consider a flop?

FTR I said a less extreme version but because you are still trying to prop this guy up on irrelevant at this point high school accolades or what some of the blow holy-est holes think. These are all opinions of people that are wrong often, filling air time, what ever. When the guy starts actually making shots get back to me is all I've said because he's shot like $hit so far with literally has no pressure as the 5th,6th and 7th option from game to game and he still can't make wide open shots. Yet you try to talk about him like he's the second coming.

If he was doing it on the court you wouldn't have to lean on some high school star rankings or third tier announcers and talking heads to pump him up. How about wait until the guy actually does something more than average 7ppg and shoot 39% overall or 25% from three. I'm not even saying the dude can't eventually but gezz certainly you are out ahead of your skis in the context of you putting him over the season Gardner is already having.

(01-21-2019 07:44 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 10:50 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:10 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is a reach

so he was a 5star in high school by only 1 site (3 or 4 by everyone else), then went to juco where his rating was downgraded, then went to tcu where he underperformed but ucf is selling it like its a 5star

also whats the eligibity situation? 1.5 years of eligibility?

This is essentially a more extreme version of the same logic you tried to pull with Hinton

no its not....everyone still thinks hinton will be special...hinton would likely be given a higher than he did after high school..

last week rothstein called him a top 20 freshmen

the smu announcers last week just said he will win player of the year before he is done at houston
the announcers for usf 2 days ago bragged for about 10 mins about how special he will be

almost everyone thinks as soon as soon as galen/corey graduate that he will take over ..

how is that the same as a guy most consider a flop?

Because you are still trying to prop this guy up on irrelevant high school accolades or what some of the blow holy-est holes think. These are all opinions of people that are wrong often, filling air time, what ever. When the guy starts actually making shots get back to me is all I've said because he's shot like $hit so far with literally has no pressure as the 5th,6th and 7th option from game to game and he still can't make wide open shots. Yet you try to talk about him like he's the second coming.

If he was doing that you wouldn't have to lean on some high school star rankings or third tier announcers and talking heads to pump him up. How about wait until the guy actually does something more than average 7ppg and shoot 39% overall or 25% from three. Good grief. Can't believe you were still trying to sell him over the season Gardner is posting with that pathetic shooting, high school rankings or Jon Rothstien. I'm not even saying the dude can't eventually but gezz.

Nate's production has been fine given the team's needs. His biggest issue has been his lack of an outside shot but given some time I'm sure he can develop that. I get you're a stats guy but if you actually watched our games this year you'd know he's shown some flashes of brilliance as well as moments of youth. His defense and athleticism have impressed thus far. He's going to improve dramatically throughout his stay at UH.

(01-21-2019 10:36 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 09:19 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Well all stars aside, I hope this guy works out for you.

3.3 PPG and 2.5 RPG in 13 minutes isn't bad if he is going to give the same kind of production in a back up role. The Juco Stats are ok. For Comparison Isiah Maurice averaged 12.9 PPG and 5.9 RPG for the JUCO National Title team. In 13.4 MPG he is averaging 6.1 PPG and 3.1 RPG. So very very comparable to what Alok did at the D1 level. Isiaah Maurice is more of a stretch 4 though having to play inside most times he's on the court due to our inside depth. He a 40+% 3 point shooter that doesn't really get to shoot 3's. The limited amount he has gotten to shoot this year is still at a 37.5% rate.

So in saying all of that, knowing they are completely different players that will play in completely different systems. I think if Alok can come in. Recover fully from his injury and give you 13 MPG at a rate similar to Maurice is for the Tigers this season UCF fans will be happy about the signing.



A potential 3rd option avging 6 ppg and 3 rpg is a good 3rd option.

Congrats on the signing!

This is why you can't just eyeball the counting stats and get any sense of what it actually means. Isiah Maurice had a 14.6 PER, Alok had a 1.6 PER. That's like an average player vs one of the worst in basketball. Farther more Maurice had a 12.0 PER at Kansas State before that as a freshman in a similar rotation role.

Most of the reason is Alok is a turnover machine, something most people ignore but it's a big deal. 1.4 turnovers in 13 minutes is insane for a center while also getting no assist, blocks, or steals to justify having him on the court fumbling it away, and a true shooting percentage of .481 which is terrible. So what does he do, even his rebounding is weak especially for a center.

No one is just eye balling stats lol. I used the stats as a reference for comparable competition. Juco/D1.

Regarding the turnovers. He does avg 1.4 turnovers per 13.1 minutes. Not great at all, but not a machine. His biggest issue, is that he is a foul machine. Several of his turnovers were due to offensive fouls.

I love PER. Use it often. Instead of just downing the kid though, and sticking it to UCF fans. I gave them and him props and the benefit of the doubt.

If he comes in and does great, good for him and UCF. If he isn't good then oh well.

Also, since you're a PER guy too.

What would his PER be if he averaged 1 less foul per 13 minutes played? What about if he made 1 pass that resulted in a made basket (1 assist), made 1 more shot per game, and grabbed 1 more rebound?

I can tell you, it'd be way higher than 1.6 and that's not even asking the kid to do much. Just that little bit a lone does this to his averages too. If he were to come in and be expected to do exactly what he did at TCU.

5.3 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.8 tpg, 2 fpg.

In stead of

3.3 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg, 1.4 tpg, and 3 fpg.

Lighten up and let UCF fans enjoy their new player. You have no idea what kind of work he's going to put in and how UCF's system might benefit him. PER is great and stats themselves are good too. They aren't bringing in their next starter here let them enjoy their moment.

(01-22-2019 05:13 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Regarding the turnovers. He does avg 1.4 turnovers per 13.1 minutes. Not great at all, but not a machine. His biggest issue, is that he is a foul machine. Several of his turnovers were due to offensive fouls.

6.0 per 100 possessions. We can't play a game without one of our fans talking **** about I. Flemings turnovers and he averages 6.7 and he's a point guard trying to make plays and pass the ball. I think he has the highest turnover rate in the AAC. Rideau, Cornish, Adams, etc are all about 6 as well but these are all playmakers. This guy is a center who doesn't get assist or force turnovers to mitigate it, he just turns it over.

Quote:I love PER. Use it often. Instead of just downing the kid though, and sticking it to UCF fans. I gave them and him props and the benefit of the doubt.

Some dude was kind of mocking me about PER, that's the only reason I posted it, but damn. 1.6 that's terrible.

Quote:What would his PER be if he averaged 1 less foul per 13 minutes played? What about if he made 1 pass that resulted in a made basket (1 assist), made 1 more shot per game, and grabbed 1 more rebound?

These are significant ask in 13 minutes. That's why some players that can do it are valuable high impact players even in low minutes.

Go get em UCF fans

Mike McCormick
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@mikemccormick71

The Saints are gonna pull a @UCF_Football and just call themselves Super Bowl CHAMPS!

If you have the t shirt, it happened.

(01-22-2019 10:15 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Go get em UCF fans

Mike McCormick
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@mikemccormick71

The Saints are gonna pull a @UCF_Football and just call themselves Super Bowl CHAMPS!

Ah...poor smu fan. So sad.

(01-22-2019 10:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  If its in the NCAA Record Book, it happened.

FIFY

(01-22-2019 11:23 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 10:15 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Go get em UCF fans

Mike McCormick
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@mikemccormick71

The Saints are gonna pull a @UCF_Football and just call themselves Super Bowl CHAMPS!

Ah...poor smu fan. So sad.

You retarded? I didn't write that some schmuck did and I posted so you could attack him

(01-22-2019 11:23 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 10:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  If its in the NCAA Record Book, it happened.

FIFY

It was a joke and a funny one! However, you are preaching to the choir. UCF should have had a shot in the playoff a couple seasons ago.

lol once you look at this and read the fine print....

I make a motion, the OP needs to change the title of the thread to:

'UCF lands 5-Star basketball center...kind of-ish'