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I’m looking forward to the big update myself. I think Slappy might be into something, nonetheless I’m curious.
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(01-22-2019 10:32 PM)Rasser Wrote:  I’m looking forward to the big update myself. I think Slappy might be into something, nonetheless I’m curious.

Thanks Phil.
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(01-22-2019 09:36 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 07:03 PM)WMUslappy1 Wrote:  
(01-20-2019 12:29 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 05:27 PM)WMUslappy1 Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 09:19 PM)brovol Wrote:  They are going to be very disappointed with this particular judge if that is their expectation. They can track my modest giving history, so expectations shouldn't be too high; particularly right after buying my kid a car. No one will confuse me with an alumni whale.

News flash. Your not that important. Get over yourself for gods sake.

Newsflash: WTF is your problem? The man was just seeing if anyone else had been approached. Obviously, you were not.

Put a sock in your jealousy, junior
Well I didn’t want to go here but since you’re such a *******. I sent up a scholarship this year at WMU in my families name. It’s not about me dumbo it’s about the university. Why ask if anyone else has been approached? The answer should be obvious. You know what I do for a living or where my kids went to school? What they’ve accomplished? I don’t feel the need to toot my horn. Little men do. The awnser is Brovol wants to be relevant.

And this post displays how you are not a “little man?”

Sigh!

You’ve confirmed suspicions.

I look forward to Brovol’s update. Pleased he was approached and shared

You look forward to the update? What do you hope to learn? Some inside information so perhaps you can attain relevant status in your own mind I guess. Might be better to call the alumni office yourself and set up a meeting so you get the message first hand.

BTW, it wasn't that Brovol got called, I could care less. To make an off hand comment about the WMU alumni office calling for the purpose of getting into his pocket was out of bounds. Many posters bi^&h about the alumni office not doing more to reach out and engage grads. When/if you receive a phone call it might be better to save your criticism until you learn more. Maybe now its a bit clearer.
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(01-23-2019 01:47 PM)WMUslappy1 Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 09:36 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 07:03 PM)WMUslappy1 Wrote:  
(01-20-2019 12:29 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 05:27 PM)WMUslappy1 Wrote:  News flash. Your not that important. Get over yourself for gods sake.

Newsflash: WTF is your problem? The man was just seeing if anyone else had been approached. Obviously, you were not.

Put a sock in your jealousy, junior
Well I didn’t want to go here but since you’re such a *******. I sent up a scholarship this year at WMU in my families name. It’s not about me dumbo it’s about the university. Why ask if anyone else has been approached? The answer should be obvious. You know what I do for a living or where my kids went to school? What they’ve accomplished? I don’t feel the need to toot my horn. Little men do. The awnser is Brovol wants to be relevant.

And this post displays how you are not a “little man?”

Sigh!

You’ve confirmed suspicions.

I look forward to Brovol’s update. Pleased he was approached and shared

You look forward to the update? What do you hope to learn? Some inside information so perhaps you can attain relevant status in your own mind I guess. Might be better to call the alumni office yourself and set up a meeting so you get the message first hand.

BTW, it wasn't that Brovol got called, I could care less. To make an off hand comment about the WMU alumni office calling for the purpose of getting into his pocket was out of bounds. Many posters bi^&h about the alumni office not doing more to reach out and engage grads. When/if you receive a phone call it might be better to save your criticism until you learn more. Maybe now its a bit clearer.


Brovol certainly lives rent free in your head.

Such middle-school-girl-like jealously.

If you do not like Brovol's posts, please do not read them.

I look forward to his update...
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Ladies!!!
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(01-23-2019 04:14 PM)Rasser Wrote:  Ladies!!!

Take it easy, buddy.
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(01-23-2019 04:14 PM)Rasser Wrote:  Ladies!!!

Take it easy, buddy.

Watch it pal, I’ll hit you with my fanny pack!
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So I had my meeting with Mo. Good guy, who does a nice job representing the university. Essentially, there have been a lot of changes with the new president, and an effort to identify where WMU is losing out to other universities. There is a new focus on keeping students, and seeing to it that they graduate, rather than have them leave the school for whatever reason. Essentially, not many more than half who start actually graduate. That is a dismal reality if the numbers are correct. We are also losing too often in the battles to win new students.

It sounds like policies are changing, and it appears some heads have already rolled in several departments withing the university since Dunn left. The new man has a different perspective I guess.

Obviously, WMU is reaching out to alumni for assistance, financial and otherwise. Surprisingly, he never outwardly asked for money, but I am certain that is part of the initiative. We discussed financial challenges within the university, and alumni folks at colleges always have that as a prerogative, but he was very non-pushy and relaxed. It was a nice conversation. My area of the state lacks much WMU presence, and needs more interest and involvement from the few Broncos who live here. He indicated that they are using PJ Fleck as the example of how Western can "change its culture", which is something they want to do. And I kid you not, Fleck was the example of what they want to do.

We talked football and a hockey for a bit. It was a nice conversation. I suspect he will be in touch. The guy drove all the way to Standish during terrible weather.

We all do need to assess what we can do if we want WMU to continue being successful. Its a good thing that they are reaching out.
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(02-13-2019 01:41 PM)brovol Wrote:  So I had my meeting with Mo. Good guy, who does a nice job representing the university. Essentially, there have been a lot of changes with the new president, and an effort to identify where WMU is losing out to other universities. There is a new focus on keeping students, and seeing to it that they graduate, rather than have them leave the school for whatever reason. Essentially, not many more than half who start actually graduate. That is a dismal reality if the numbers are correct. We are also losing too often in the battles to win new students.

It sounds like policies are changing, and it appears some heads have already rolled in several departments withing the university since Dunn left. The new man has a different perspective I guess.

Obviously, WMU is reaching out to alumni for assistance, financial and otherwise. Surprisingly, he never outwardly asked for money, but I am certain that is part of the initiative. We discussed financial challenges within the university, and alumni folks at colleges always have that as a prerogative, but he was very non-pushy and relaxed. It was a nice conversation. My area of the state lacks much WMU presence, and needs more interest and involvement from the few Broncos who live here. He indicated that they are using PJ Fleck as the example of how Western can "change its culture", which is something they want to do. And I kid you not, Fleck was the example of what they want to do.

We talked football and a hockey for a bit. It was a nice conversation. I suspect he will be in touch. The guy drove all the way to Standish during terrible weather.

We all do need to assess what we can do if we want WMU to continue being successful. Its a good thing that they are reaching out.

Awesome!

Thank you for the update.

Pleased you were approached.

The Fleck thing concerns me, but it depends on the context.

Regarding enrollment decline, here is an interesting Mlive article from last month that highlights the problem. We're not in as bad shape as some other state universities, but we are obviously feeling it.

https://www.mlive.com/expo/news/g66l-201...y-enr.html
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Thanks for the update Brovo. Nice to hear the University is reaching out to talk to alums. Also nice to hear they are trying to think outside of their box and making changes to be more appealing. It will not surprise you that using Fleck as an example of what they wish to aspire to scares me rather than reassure me. However, at least they recognize the same old same old gives you what you already have. So kudos to them.
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The Fleck example makes sense in the context of this new president wanting to make WMU a "school of choice", not the 2nd or 3rd option. To do that, we definitely need a culture change. Great update, brovol. It's great to see a new direction in the development office, especially if they have people like Mo meeting with engaged alumni for ideas/discussion.
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(02-13-2019 01:41 PM)brovol Wrote:  So I had my meeting with Mo. Good guy, who does a nice job representing the university. Essentially, there have been a lot of changes with the new president, and an effort to identify where WMU is losing out to other universities. There is a new focus on keeping students, and seeing to it that they graduate, rather than have them leave the school for whatever reason. Essentially, not many more than half who start actually graduate. That is a dismal reality if the numbers are correct. We are also losing too often in the battles to win new students.

It sounds like policies are changing, and it appears some heads have already rolled in several departments withing the university since Dunn left. The new man has a different perspective I guess.

Obviously, WMU is reaching out to alumni for assistance, financial and otherwise. Surprisingly, he never outwardly asked for money, but I am certain that is part of the initiative. We discussed financial challenges within the university, and alumni folks at colleges always have that as a prerogative, but he was very non-pushy and relaxed. It was a nice conversation. My area of the state lacks much WMU presence, and needs more interest and involvement from the few Broncos who live here. He indicated that they are using PJ Fleck as the example of how Western can "change its culture", which is something they want to do. And I kid you not, Fleck was the example of what they want to do.

We talked football and a hockey for a bit. It was a nice conversation. I suspect he will be in touch. The guy drove all the way to Standish during terrible weather.

We all do need to assess what we can do if we want WMU to continue being successful. Its a good thing that they are reaching out.

Thanks! Interesting.

I think people are reading a little too much into Fleck as a metaphor. Really, if you believe in an institution, you want it to fulfill its mission in the best way possible. Wanting WMU to be as "elite" as possible is one such mission, and WMU has that potential. Making it the best affordable college in the state is another. Getting in front of the college bubble figures in.

Me, I think we should be entirely rethinking post-high school education in this country in a radical fashion, or rather, returning universities to being universities instead of glorified high schools.

Taking a look at our alma mater's mission, however, and it looks like corporate gobbledygook: https://wmich.edu/about/mission-history

I can certainly list of a long list of fellow graduates who were never really challenged to be life-long learners. What does it mean to triumph over the world in head-on confrontation?
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(02-14-2019 01:45 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 01:41 PM)brovol Wrote:  So I had my meeting with Mo. Good guy, who does a nice job representing the university. Essentially, there have been a lot of changes with the new president, and an effort to identify where WMU is losing out to other universities. There is a new focus on keeping students, and seeing to it that they graduate, rather than have them leave the school for whatever reason. Essentially, not many more than half who start actually graduate. That is a dismal reality if the numbers are correct. We are also losing too often in the battles to win new students.

It sounds like policies are changing, and it appears some heads have already rolled in several departments withing the university since Dunn left. The new man has a different perspective I guess.

Obviously, WMU is reaching out to alumni for assistance, financial and otherwise. Surprisingly, he never outwardly asked for money, but I am certain that is part of the initiative. We discussed financial challenges within the university, and alumni folks at colleges always have that as a prerogative, but he was very non-pushy and relaxed. It was a nice conversation. My area of the state lacks much WMU presence, and needs more interest and involvement from the few Broncos who live here. He indicated that they are using PJ Fleck as the example of how Western can "change its culture", which is something they want to do. And I kid you not, Fleck was the example of what they want to do.

We talked football and a hockey for a bit. It was a nice conversation. I suspect he will be in touch. The guy drove all the way to Standish during terrible weather.

We all do need to assess what we can do if we want WMU to continue being successful. Its a good thing that they are reaching out.

Thanks! Interesting.

I think people are reading a little too much into Fleck as a metaphor. Really, if you believe in an institution, you want it to fulfill its mission in the best way possible. Wanting WMU to be as "elite" as possible is one such mission, and WMU has that potential. Making it the best affordable college in the state is another. Getting in front of the college bubble figures in.

Me, I think we should be entirely rethinking post-high school education in this country in a radical fashion, or rather, returning universities to being universities instead of glorified high schools.

Taking a look at our alma mater's mission, however, and it looks like corporate gobbledygook: https://wmich.edu/about/mission-history

I can certainly list of a long list of fellow graduates who were never really challenged to be life-long learners. What does it mean to triumph over the world in head-on confrontation?

Just as an example, here's Hillsdale: https://www.hillsdale.edu/about/mission/

Here's Bryn Mawr, on the other end of the spectrum: https://www.brynmawr.edu/about/mission

Row the Boat was simple to understand.

I don't know what WMU is or what it wants to be besides regurgitating corporate memes. Perhaps if they want to go towards a Fleckian direction, they need to adopt a clear mission—a "compass" if you will—before all the alumni start rowing harder and sacrificing more to build the boat.
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(02-14-2019 01:56 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 01:45 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 01:41 PM)brovol Wrote:  So I had my meeting with Mo. Good guy, who does a nice job representing the university. Essentially, there have been a lot of changes with the new president, and an effort to identify where WMU is losing out to other universities. There is a new focus on keeping students, and seeing to it that they graduate, rather than have them leave the school for whatever reason. Essentially, not many more than half who start actually graduate. That is a dismal reality if the numbers are correct. We are also losing too often in the battles to win new students.

It sounds like policies are changing, and it appears some heads have already rolled in several departments withing the university since Dunn left. The new man has a different perspective I guess.

Obviously, WMU is reaching out to alumni for assistance, financial and otherwise. Surprisingly, he never outwardly asked for money, but I am certain that is part of the initiative. We discussed financial challenges within the university, and alumni folks at colleges always have that as a prerogative, but he was very non-pushy and relaxed. It was a nice conversation. My area of the state lacks much WMU presence, and needs more interest and involvement from the few Broncos who live here. He indicated that they are using PJ Fleck as the example of how Western can "change its culture", which is something they want to do. And I kid you not, Fleck was the example of what they want to do.

We talked football and a hockey for a bit. It was a nice conversation. I suspect he will be in touch. The guy drove all the way to Standish during terrible weather.

We all do need to assess what we can do if we want WMU to continue being successful. Its a good thing that they are reaching out.

Thanks! Interesting.

I think people are reading a little too much into Fleck as a metaphor. Really, if you believe in an institution, you want it to fulfill its mission in the best way possible. Wanting WMU to be as "elite" as possible is one such mission, and WMU has that potential. Making it the best affordable college in the state is another. Getting in front of the college bubble figures in.

Me, I think we should be entirely rethinking post-high school education in this country in a radical fashion, or rather, returning universities to being universities instead of glorified high schools.

Taking a look at our alma mater's mission, however, and it looks like corporate gobbledygook: https://wmich.edu/about/mission-history

I can certainly list of a long list of fellow graduates who were never really challenged to be life-long learners. What does it mean to triumph over the world in head-on confrontation?

Just as an example, here's Hillsdale: https://www.hillsdale.edu/about/mission/

Here's Bryn Mawr, on the other end of the spectrum: https://www.brynmawr.edu/about/mission

Row the Boat was simple to understand.

I don't know what WMU is or what it wants to be besides regurgitating corporate memes. Perhaps if they want to go towards a Fleckian direction, they need to adopt a clear mission—a "compass" if you will—before all the alumni start rowing harder and sacrificing more to build the boat.

Thanks #brocoach / #skankasaurus. Stop by anytime, clearly winters in Minne are cold and boring.
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(02-14-2019 10:56 AM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The Fleck example makes sense in the context of this new president wanting to make WMU a "school of choice", not the 2nd or 3rd option. To do that, we definitely need a culture change. Great update, brovol. It's great to see a new direction in the development office, especially if they have people like Mo meeting with engaged alumni for ideas/discussion.
Actually, that is exactly what More said the president's vision is; for WMU to be with UM and MSU as the "first choice" schools, and the other state schools being the "alternatives". Unfortunately, we are currently losing too often to some of those other schools, Grand Valley being the cited example.

We talked about the medical school and the law school, and I of course shared my views, for whatever they are worth. I said that if we were going to utilize the WMU name and brand to Cooley we better have the authority, ability, and immediate goal to radically change how it does business, and thus improve it's reputation. He indicated that because Cooley is still autonomous, we can't. That's a problem in my mind.
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(02-14-2019 10:54 PM)Flashboski Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 01:56 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 01:45 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 01:41 PM)brovol Wrote:  So I had my meeting with Mo. Good guy, who does a nice job representing the university. Essentially, there have been a lot of changes with the new president, and an effort to identify where WMU is losing out to other universities. There is a new focus on keeping students, and seeing to it that they graduate, rather than have them leave the school for whatever reason. Essentially, not many more than half who start actually graduate. That is a dismal reality if the numbers are correct. We are also losing too often in the battles to win new students.

It sounds like policies are changing, and it appears some heads have already rolled in several departments withing the university since Dunn left. The new man has a different perspective I guess.

Obviously, WMU is reaching out to alumni for assistance, financial and otherwise. Surprisingly, he never outwardly asked for money, but I am certain that is part of the initiative. We discussed financial challenges within the university, and alumni folks at colleges always have that as a prerogative, but he was very non-pushy and relaxed. It was a nice conversation. My area of the state lacks much WMU presence, and needs more interest and involvement from the few Broncos who live here. He indicated that they are using PJ Fleck as the example of how Western can "change its culture", which is something they want to do. And I kid you not, Fleck was the example of what they want to do.

We talked football and a hockey for a bit. It was a nice conversation. I suspect he will be in touch. The guy drove all the way to Standish during terrible weather.

We all do need to assess what we can do if we want WMU to continue being successful. Its a good thing that they are reaching out.

Thanks! Interesting.

I think people are reading a little too much into Fleck as a metaphor. Really, if you believe in an institution, you want it to fulfill its mission in the best way possible. Wanting WMU to be as "elite" as possible is one such mission, and WMU has that potential. Making it the best affordable college in the state is another. Getting in front of the college bubble figures in.

Me, I think we should be entirely rethinking post-high school education in this country in a radical fashion, or rather, returning universities to being universities instead of glorified high schools.

Taking a look at our alma mater's mission, however, and it looks like corporate gobbledygook: https://wmich.edu/about/mission-history

I can certainly list of a long list of fellow graduates who were never really challenged to be life-long learners. What does it mean to triumph over the world in head-on confrontation?

Just as an example, here's Hillsdale: https://www.hillsdale.edu/about/mission/

Here's Bryn Mawr, on the other end of the spectrum: https://www.brynmawr.edu/about/mission

Row the Boat was simple to understand.

I don't know what WMU is or what it wants to be besides regurgitating corporate memes. Perhaps if they want to go towards a Fleckian direction, they need to adopt a clear mission—a "compass" if you will—before all the alumni start rowing harder and sacrificing more to build the boat.

Thanks #brocoach / #skankasaurus. Stop by anytime, clearly winters in Minne are cold and boring.

Came down Lake Michigan just to see you!

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(02-15-2019 08:09 AM)brovol Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 10:56 AM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The Fleck example makes sense in the context of this new president wanting to make WMU a "school of choice", not the 2nd or 3rd option. To do that, we definitely need a culture change. Great update, brovol. It's great to see a new direction in the development office, especially if they have people like Mo meeting with engaged alumni for ideas/discussion.
Actually, that is exactly what More said the president's vision is; for WMU to be with UM and MSU as the "first choice" schools, and the other state schools being the "alternatives". Unfortunately, we are currently losing too often to some of those other schools, Grand Valley being the cited example.

We talked about the medical school and the law school, and I of course shared my views, for whatever they are worth. I said that if we were going to utilize the WMU name and brand to Cooley we better have the authority, ability, and immediate goal to radically change how it does business, and thus improve it's reputation. He indicated that because Cooley is still autonomous, we can't. That's a problem in my mind.

Wait, so, Cooley is completely its own school, but they tacked three letters on it? How does that work? Like a minor league affiliate agreement or something?
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(02-15-2019 10:44 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 08:09 AM)brovol Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 10:56 AM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The Fleck example makes sense in the context of this new president wanting to make WMU a "school of choice", not the 2nd or 3rd option. To do that, we definitely need a culture change. Great update, brovol. It's great to see a new direction in the development office, especially if they have people like Mo meeting with engaged alumni for ideas/discussion.
Actually, that is exactly what More said the president's vision is; for WMU to be with UM and MSU as the "first choice" schools, and the other state schools being the "alternatives". Unfortunately, we are currently losing too often to some of those other schools, Grand Valley being the cited example.

We talked about the medical school and the law school, and I of course shared my views, for whatever they are worth. I said that if we were going to utilize the WMU name and brand to Cooley we better have the authority, ability, and immediate goal to radically change how it does business, and thus improve it's reputation. He indicated that because Cooley is still autonomous, we can't. That's a problem in my mind.

Wait, so, Cooley is completely its own school, but they tacked three letters on it? How does that work? Like a minor league affiliate agreement or something?

I graduated from Detroit College of Law, which did the same thing with MSU. DCL was supposed to always remain autonomous, and the affiliation was to allow DCL to relocate to MSU's campus in East Lansing, but still remain a separate institution. For a few years it was called "Detroit College of Law at MSU", but thereafter just got swallowed entirely by MSU, and is now just MSU Law School. (I always hated the move. They sent us DCL grads offers to issue new degrees with MSU Law, as if we would want that. They also send us MSU alumni newsletters. They can keep it). Mo said that is the plan with WMU-Cooley too. The distinction between the two situations is that DCL was a very small law school, but always had a great reputation, in Michigan particularly, of producing good lawyers and well trained litigators. It had many very accomplished alumni, despite being so small. My day class at DCL ended with only a few more than 70 of us graduating (lots of attrition the first year). Cooley is a huge law school in terms on numbers of students, which recently has had a lot of baggage, has never had a real good reputation, and has been fighting to keep its accreditation (never a good thing).

As I said before, if WMU was going to take this on, it better have a plan to fix those things before the brand diminishes to the extent that WMU also becomes thought of as a school of last resort. In order to do that WMU needs control. Frankly, there are a lot of excellent alumni from both schools who deserve at least that much. Cooley has graduated a lot of bad lawyers, but it has also turned out some outstanding attorneys too. Unfortunately, there may be a lot more of the former than the latter.
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I think they have a GREAT example to follow in Andy Murray right now. Strive to compete and be the best, consistently and humbly. He hasn’t been deterred and has been a great face for WMU. I’m very proud that we have him.
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(02-15-2019 01:40 PM)Rasser Wrote:  I think they have a GREAT example to follow in Andy Murray right now. Strive to compete and be the best, consistently and humbly. He hasn’t been deterred and has been a great face for WMU. I’m very proud that we have him.

He has been an effective coach on some of the biggest stages in the Hockey World. WMU is fortunate to have him. The players have a coach who knows what it takes to get to and stay in the NHL.
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