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(01-21-2019 10:58 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  For the most part I agree with you. Especially, the play time opportunity he has here compared to any High Major or Higher Mid-Major. But losing games you should win, a program going in the wrong direction or a lack of individual development gets old fast for those with potential.

That's fair. This is a head coach who CHOSE UNCW. This is the place he wanted to be last time the job was open too. so I can't imagine he doesn't want to do everything in his power to turn things around.

I just hope Kai and the people in his corner know how much he is appreciated already. If he indeed decides to move on, he could very quickly become just another guy at the place he goes to. He's a special talent, but things can, and do, shift in a millisecond at the P6 level.
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Ty Gadsden is very good too and can be good at PG or combo. He’s been a pleasant surprise. I felt that Toews would be solid and he has been sans the shooting which will come around.
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(01-21-2019 11:12 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 10:58 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  For the most part I agree with you. Especially, the play time opportunity he has here compared to any High Major or Higher Mid-Major. But losing games you should win, a program going in the wrong direction or a lack of individual development gets old fast for those with potential.

That's fair. This is a head coach who CHOSE UNCW. This is the place he wanted to be last time the job was open too. so I can't imagine he doesn't want to do everything in his power to turn things around.

I just hope Kai and the people in his corner know how much he is appreciated already. If he indeed decides to move on, he could very quickly become just another guy at the place he goes to. He's a special talent, but things can, and do, shift in a millisecond at the P6 level.

You are exactly right. We are building a long term, sustainable program of excellence and CB is the guy to take us there. We can't let a couple of speed bumps in the past week throw us off course. I saw Kai at the Ladies' game yesterday and he got away before I could tell him how much we appreciate him and how bright his future is with UNCW. Both of our programs will be sources of pride for us; the Ladies are there now; the men are right behind them.
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Toews is an absolute beast and hopefully stays. If he does, he has the chance to go down as the greatest UNCW PG to ever play in Trask which is a big time accomplishment considering we currently have a PG with his jersey in the rafters. I agree with SN08 here, and one doesn't have to look far to find a few UNCW players in the last decade who felt they could transfer to big time D1 programs and find the same success (or better, because that's always the goal right?). There's no point in naming those players here, because most of us can remember them, but due to our regional exposure I can easily name a couple of players who were outright studs at UNCW who transferred to the ACC and have been average players AT BEST, and that's being generous.

In terms of player development under McGrath, I don't agree that there is a lack of development. For instance, Devontae Cacok. He didn't just magically lead the nation in a statistical category in back to back years (with a chance for a 3rd separate category this year). Granted, Cacok is a physical beast and has a drive you don't see often but his development under McGrath hasn't slowed or regressed. Cacok has a talent for interior play and has used his drive and coaching from the staff to become an elite D1 player. Toews also has that potential, and we're only seeing the tip of the proverbial iceberg with him.

I'm all for players and their families doing what they feel is best for them, and I'd wish all the success in the world to Toews, but I just hope that he and the folks around him realize how great he could be at UNCW, the legend status for years to come, and it's not like we don't put out professional talent. We can name a plethora of players who have played professionally overseas, and a few who have had opportunities in the NBA D-League (and NBA in the distant past). Point being, the opportunity is still there at UNCW.
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(01-22-2019 08:53 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Toews is an absolute beast and hopefully stays. If he does, he has the chance to go down as the greatest UNCW PG to ever play in Trask which is a big time accomplishment considering we currently have a PG with his jersey in the rafters. I agree with SN08 here, and one doesn't have to look for to find a few UNCW players in the last decade who felt they could transfer to big time D1 programs and find the same success (or better, because that's always the goal right?). There's no point in naming those players here, because most of us can remember them, but due to our regional exposure I can easily name a couple of players who were outright studs at UNCW who transferred to the ACC and have been average players AT BEST, and that's being generous.

In terms of player development under McGrath, I don't agree that there is a lack of development. For instance, Devontae Cacok. He didn't just magically lead the nation in a statistical category in back to back years (with a chance for a 3rd separate category this year). Granted, Cacok is a physical beast and has a drive you don't see often but his development under McGrath hasn't slowed or regressed. Cacok has a talent for interior play and has used his drive and coaching from the staff to become an elite D1 player. Toews also has that potential, and we're only seeing the tip of the proverbial iceberg with him.

I'm all for players and their families doing what they feel is best for them, and I'd wish all the success in the world to Toews, but I just hope that he and the folks around him realize how great he could be at UNCW, the legend status for years to come, and it's not like we don't put out professional talent. We can name a plethora of players who have played professionally overseas, and a few who have had opportunities in the NBA D-League (and NBA in the distant past). Point being, the opportunity is still there at UNCW.
Well said CG, couldn't have said it better myself.
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(01-22-2019 09:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 08:53 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Toews is an absolute beast and hopefully stays. If he does, he has the chance to go down as the greatest UNCW PG to ever play in Trask which is a big time accomplishment considering we currently have a PG with his jersey in the rafters. I agree with SN08 here, and one doesn't have to look for to find a few UNCW players in the last decade who felt they could transfer to big time D1 programs and find the same success (or better, because that's always the goal right?). There's no point in naming those players here, because most of us can remember them, but due to our regional exposure I can easily name a couple of players who were outright studs at UNCW who transferred to the ACC and have been average players AT BEST, and that's being generous.

In terms of player development under McGrath, I don't agree that there is a lack of development. For instance, Devontae Cacok. He didn't just magically lead the nation in a statistical category in back to back years (with a chance for a 3rd separate category this year). Granted, Cacok is a physical beast and has a drive you don't see often but his development under McGrath hasn't slowed or regressed. Cacok has a talent for interior play and has used his drive and coaching from the staff to become an elite D1 player. Toews also has that potential, and we're only seeing the tip of the proverbial iceberg with him.

I'm all for players and their families doing what they feel is best for them, and I'd wish all the success in the world to Toews, but I just hope that he and the folks around him realize how great he could be at UNCW, the legend status for years to come, and it's not like we don't put out professional talent. We can name a plethora of players who have played professionally overseas, and a few who have had opportunities in the NBA D-League (and NBA in the distant past). Point being, the opportunity is still there at UNCW.
Well said CG, couldn't have said it better myself.

I know. That's why I said it. LOL

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(01-22-2019 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 09:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 08:53 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Toews is an absolute beast and hopefully stays. If he does, he has the chance to go down as the greatest UNCW PG to ever play in Trask which is a big time accomplishment considering we currently have a PG with his jersey in the rafters. I agree with SN08 here, and one doesn't have to look for to find a few UNCW players in the last decade who felt they could transfer to big time D1 programs and find the same success (or better, because that's always the goal right?). There's no point in naming those players here, because most of us can remember them, but due to our regional exposure I can easily name a couple of players who were outright studs at UNCW who transferred to the ACC and have been average players AT BEST, and that's being generous.

In terms of player development under McGrath, I don't agree that there is a lack of development. For instance, Devontae Cacok. He didn't just magically lead the nation in a statistical category in back to back years (with a chance for a 3rd separate category this year). Granted, Cacok is a physical beast and has a drive you don't see often but his development under McGrath hasn't slowed or regressed. Cacok has a talent for interior play and has used his drive and coaching from the staff to become an elite D1 player. Toews also has that potential, and we're only seeing the tip of the proverbial iceberg with him.

I'm all for players and their families doing what they feel is best for them, and I'd wish all the success in the world to Toews, but I just hope that he and the folks around him realize how great he could be at UNCW, the legend status for years to come, and it's not like we don't put out professional talent. We can name a plethora of players who have played professionally overseas, and a few who have had opportunities in the NBA D-League (and NBA in the distant past). Point being, the opportunity is still there at UNCW.
Well said CG, couldn't have said it better myself.

I know. That's why I said it. LOL

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(01-22-2019 09:49 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 09:43 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 09:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 08:53 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Toews is an absolute beast and hopefully stays. If he does, he has the chance to go down as the greatest UNCW PG to ever play in Trask which is a big time accomplishment considering we currently have a PG with his jersey in the rafters. I agree with SN08 here, and one doesn't have to look for to find a few UNCW players in the last decade who felt they could transfer to big time D1 programs and find the same success (or better, because that's always the goal right?). There's no point in naming those players here, because most of us can remember them, but due to our regional exposure I can easily name a couple of players who were outright studs at UNCW who transferred to the ACC and have been average players AT BEST, and that's being generous.

In terms of player development under McGrath, I don't agree that there is a lack of development. For instance, Devontae Cacok. He didn't just magically lead the nation in a statistical category in back to back years (with a chance for a 3rd separate category this year). Granted, Cacok is a physical beast and has a drive you don't see often but his development under McGrath hasn't slowed or regressed. Cacok has a talent for interior play and has used his drive and coaching from the staff to become an elite D1 player. Toews also has that potential, and we're only seeing the tip of the proverbial iceberg with him.

I'm all for players and their families doing what they feel is best for them, and I'd wish all the success in the world to Toews, but I just hope that he and the folks around him realize how great he could be at UNCW, the legend status for years to come, and it's not like we don't put out professional talent. We can name a plethora of players who have played professionally overseas, and a few who have had opportunities in the NBA D-League (and NBA in the distant past). Point being, the opportunity is still there at UNCW.
Well said CG, couldn't have said it better myself.

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Um...Goldsberry? A true 2 way player!
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(01-22-2019 11:20 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Um...Goldsberry? A true 2 way player!

It would be VERY difficult for Toews to unseat Goldsberry as the best PG in program history. But the mere fact that we're even having a conversation like this halfway through Kai's freshman season is telling as to how impressive he's been.
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(01-22-2019 11:57 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 11:20 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Um...Goldsberry? A true 2 way player!

It would be VERY difficult for Toews to unseat Goldsberry as the best PG in program history. But the mere fact that we're even having a conversation like this halfway through Kai's freshman season is telling as to how impressive he's been.

Agree. I wasn't meaning to say he's there already but to highlight there's a potential for it. Goldsberry remains my favorite Seahawk player of all time. The grit he brought to both ends of the floor every game win or lose was phenomenal. And for me to say he has the potential to unseat JG just further highlights my point.
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(01-22-2019 01:47 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 11:57 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 11:20 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Um...Goldsberry? A true 2 way player!

It would be VERY difficult for Toews to unseat Goldsberry as the best PG in program history. But the mere fact that we're even having a conversation like this halfway through Kai's freshman season is telling as to how impressive he's been.

Agree. I wasn't meaning to say he's there already but to highlight there's a potential for it. Goldsberry remains my favorite Seahawk player of all time. The grit he brought to both ends of the floor every game win or lose was phenomenal. And for me to say he has the potential to unseat JG just further highlights my point.
Watching the leading scorer in the CAA(now in the NBA) toss his headband into the crowd in disgust as JG was shutting him down all game is still one of my favorite trask moments!
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JG played defense from day 1. What about Talley? What about Ingram? Where they any good? Heck, we aren't even considering Ty Gadsden's potential at PG because of his versatility to swing to 2, but he alone could be good himself if considered only a PG and you can't leave him open or you're dead plus he defends (which I really like). There's more than 1 way to win. Talley, JG and Ingram were winners that brought that mentality to the table. Being a PG is more than just offensive stats. Do I like Kai and think that he can get there? Yes, of course I do, but I'm just trying to keep it real here. He has a ways to go but he's just a freshman. The future looks good!
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(01-22-2019 03:29 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  JG played defense from day 1. What about Talley? What about Ingram? Where they any good? Heck, we aren't even considering Ty Gadsden's potential at PG because of his versatility to swing to 2, but he alone could be good himself if considered only a PG and you can't leave him open or you're dead plus he defends (which I really like). There's more than 1 way to win. Talley, JG and Ingram were winners that brought that mentality to the table. Being a PG is more than just offensive stats. Do I like Kai and think that he can get there? Yes, of course I do, but I'm just trying to keep it real here. He has a ways to go but he's just a freshman. The future looks good!

I loved Talley. But Toews is simply a magician with the basketball. It's rare to find a college player with his court vision and passing ability, at any level of the college game.

If Toews maximizes his potential over 4 seasons, then yes, I'd say he will indeed be at least the 2nd best PG in UNCW basketball history. That's how high his ceiling is.

He's already better than Tomko. lol.
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(01-22-2019 03:35 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 03:29 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  JG played defense from day 1. What about Talley? What about Ingram? Where they any good? Heck, we aren't even considering Ty Gadsden's potential at PG because of his versatility to swing to 2, but he alone could be good himself if considered only a PG and you can't leave him open or you're dead plus he defends (which I really like). There's more than 1 way to win. Talley, JG and Ingram were winners that brought that mentality to the table. Being a PG is more than just offensive stats. Do I like Kai and think that he can get there? Yes, of course I do, but I'm just trying to keep it real here. He has a ways to go but he's just a freshman. The future looks good!

I loved Talley. But Toews is simply a magician with the basketball. It's rare to find a college player with his court vision and passing ability, at any level of the college game.

If Toews maximizes his potential over 4 seasons, then yes, I'd say he will indeed be at least the 2nd best PG in UNCW basketball history. That's how high his ceiling is.

He's already better than Tomko. lol.

Who?
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(01-22-2019 03:42 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Who?

Exactly.
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(01-22-2019 03:29 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  JG played defense from day 1.
I remember reading that after games, the first thing he looked at in the box score was the statistics of the man he guarded.
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