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RE: @ Hofstra (Thursday, Jan 17 -- 7 PM)
Ft's say it all.

Hofstra 23-26
UNCW 7-9.

Every time we play a good team close in the first half, all they have to do is drive on us to take control of the game. Looked just like the Davidson game. Good coaches adjust and beat us the same way.
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We got out hustled in the 2nd half, plain and simple. Had a chance to get a really nice win and crumbled when some calls went against us and shots didn’t fall. Gonna have to handle adversity better if we want to actually compete with the top of the conference. Can’t blame McGrath for everything, this one is on the players IMO.
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(01-17-2019 08:48 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Box and one? OMG.

It’s not one guy

It's a stupid defense at the college level

I really do wonder how much hoops you have played in your life. It works in certain situations, it WORKED in the UD game he just went to it too late. Any D can work at any level in the right situation. And I NEVER once said to use it tonight
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I noticed the FT disparity at half time and KNEW we really had to play a great 2nd half to have a shot. You've got some great senior guards to deal with that can drive the ball well. They're the team to beat this year. I'll be happy to see Wright Fortman graduate. It's like watching CAA's version of the Beard.

The one thing that killed me was seeing Wright-Fortman get to his left hand. That can't happen and I saw it late in the 2nd half!
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(01-17-2019 08:47 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Why every team doesn't play zone against us I have no idea.

Probably because we have the best offensive rebounder in the country and and the league leader in 3 pt %. Cacok got in foul trouble so they went to zone, hard to play it when he’s on the court.
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(01-17-2019 09:02 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:47 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Why every team doesn't play zone against us I have no idea.

Probably because we have the best offensive rebounder in the country and and the league leader in 3 pt %. Cacok got in foul trouble so they went to zone, hard to play it when he’s on the court.

I’m not sure why the second point would matter zone stops outside shooting right? Hope you can sense my sarcasm. 100% agree with your reasonings
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(01-17-2019 09:02 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:47 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Why every team doesn't play zone against us I have no idea.

Probably because we have the best offensive rebounder in the country and and the league leader in 3 pt %. Cacok got in foul trouble so they went to zone, hard to play it when he’s on the court.

I’m not sure why the second point would matter zone stops outside shooting right? Hope you can sense my sarcasm. 100% agree with your reasonings


Someone should tell McGrath that!!!!
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(01-17-2019 08:55 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Sims is already pretty good and will be great. It was good to see Taylor out there tonight looking a little more confident. Toews was off tonight it looked. Gadsden is the freaking man. Cacok with 15 point and 10 boards.

Not much else to say except that you better play some great defense against a fantastic offensive team.

I think you have consumed too much alcohol if you think Simms is good. He played 18 min tonight had 4 pts 3 rebounds. Either your standards have been lowered due to our season performance or you have been watching too much high school basketball. He went in instead of Fornes and that should not be happening.
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(01-17-2019 09:14 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:55 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Sims is already pretty good and will be great. It was good to see Taylor out there tonight looking a little more confident. Toews was off tonight it looked. Gadsden is the freaking man. Cacok with 15 point and 10 boards.

Not much else to say except that you better play some great defense against a fantastic offensive team.

I think you have consumed too much alcohol if you think Simms is good. He played 18 min tonight had 4 pts 3 rebounds. Either your standards have been lowered due to our season performance or you have been watching too much high school basketball. He went in instead of Fornes and that should not be happening.

Fornes was the first sub in off the bench. Came in made a bad turnover and then fouled on a 3 pointer so he got yanked. Sims played well in the first half, and yes he was bad in the 2nd half. Did you actually watch the game? Fornes had awful body language and effort, that also should not be happening.
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RE: @ Hofstra (Thursday, Jan 17 -- 7 PM)
(01-17-2019 09:17 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 09:14 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:55 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Sims is already pretty good and will be great. It was good to see Taylor out there tonight looking a little more confident. Toews was off tonight it looked. Gadsden is the freaking man. Cacok with 15 point and 10 boards.

Not much else to say except that you better play some great defense against a fantastic offensive team.

I think you have consumed too much alcohol if you think Simms is good. He played 18 min tonight had 4 pts 3 rebounds. Either your standards have been lowered due to our season performance or you have been watching too much high school basketball. He went in instead of Fornes and that should not be happening.

Fornes was the first sub in off the bench. Came in made a bad turnover and then fouled on a 3 pointer so he got yanked. Sims played well in the first half, and yes he was bad in the 2nd half. Did you actually watch the game? Fornes had awful body language and effort, that also should not be happening.

I was at the game, so yes I watched it. Any of McGrath's recruits can make bad turnovers and stay in the game. Fornes makes a couple bad plays and he is pulled. Take your teal blinders off.
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RE: @ Hofstra (Thursday, Jan 17 -- 7 PM)
I haven't drank a drop, have you? We just have a difference of opinion here. If you look closely, Sims isn't an independent contractor out there and moves the ball plus hustles and is about the team. Yes, he's a freshman and had a lot to learn but his upside is very high. This is not about Fornes vs him. It's getting guys that will help the team win and will eventually be very good players. And, if Fornes was killing it, he would be playing. I like him, but he has to earn it just like everybody else.
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RE: @ Hofstra (Thursday, Jan 17 -- 7 PM)
(01-17-2019 09:21 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 09:17 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 09:14 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:55 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Sims is already pretty good and will be great. It was good to see Taylor out there tonight looking a little more confident. Toews was off tonight it looked. Gadsden is the freaking man. Cacok with 15 point and 10 boards.

Not much else to say except that you better play some great defense against a fantastic offensive team.

I think you have consumed too much alcohol if you think Simms is good. He played 18 min tonight had 4 pts 3 rebounds. Either your standards have been lowered due to our season performance or you have been watching too much high school basketball. He went in instead of Fornes and that should not be happening.

Fornes was the first sub in off the bench. Came in made a bad turnover and then fouled on a 3 pointer so he got yanked. Sims played well in the first half, and yes he was bad in the 2nd half. Did you actually watch the game? Fornes had awful body language and effort, that also should not be happening.

I was at the game, so yes I watched it. Any of McGrath's recruits can make bad turnovers and stay in the game. Fornes makes a couple bad plays and he is pulled. Take your teal blinders off.

Fair enough, I can respect that take. Didn’t mean to get a little chippy there, just frustrated like all of us. That Hofstra team is very good, hopefully we can give them a full 40 minute performance in Trask.
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Hawks lost this game with the Hofstra run in the 2nd half. In the end, Hofstra has so many weapons to go to and can score on different levels. They aren't 1 dimensional because they can drive it and shoot it deep. Hawks need to keep learning why and how they can defend. As the coach said, they need to look at the game tape and analyze where they need to be. When you're guarding a Wright-Fortman or anybody that can shoot you have to be close enough in posture and can't be a victim of "hand down man down". That much is obvious.

On a positive note, it was good to see Taylor emerge and start finding his place on the team. He is far better than he has played on the year and I felt that he gave a very spirited effort tonight. He has excellent athleticism and quickness plus can really score when he feels confident. It's about confidence with Ty Taylor and he played the game with a good edge tonight. I really hope that continues because I feel that he can really help.

Gadsden continues to impress me with his overall game. He's a really good player on both ends. Kai had a tough night, but will bounce back strong at some point. Toews needs to toughen up and play defense with his feet, which are good. Estime is a great shooter, but has to continue working hard on his defense (can't allow a strong side direct drive like late in the game to their star) and to also work on his ability to drive and eventually finish. Sims seems to always play within himself and is a willing conduit to ball flow. That gets overlooked, but I coach the game (on a very low level-not Hawking level at all) and appreciate that. He's just a freshman, but is playing the game the right way in his current role. He too will have to work on driving the ball to finish, but understands his current role and that role may expand with confidence and coaches consent. He has to pick his spots to drive it, but he has good handles and a great frame so that will be coming soon when the situation presents itself.

This is a process with this team and the team is pretty much a young team now. There are very good pieces here. Cylla has been solid all year and he yet another guy that will be back. Cylla has shown flashes of being an all league type of guy at times, but has to bring it defensively each night and be willing to take it to the rack a few more times. Good things happen when he goes strong on a take. We need to have Cacok just playing tough D down low. Forget about fouls and intimidate with a few blocks too or just play good straight up defense and not worrying about coming out of the game (no cheap ones). The refs will respect a guy playing hard straight up but trying to stop somebody.
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(01-17-2019 07:01 PM)82hawk Wrote:  PITIFUL crowd. Twelve game win streak and this is all they get?
I'm not saying there were that many people there, but the announced attendance was 1,504, and with students not there (Hofstra has an unusually long break and classes start Monday January 28) and it being a weeknight, it's not surprising to be below Hofstra's season average. If the season was over now, Hofstra would have their second lowest average in the 14 seasons the CAA has statistics for. Given that Hofstra has hosted Northeastern, Delaware, and Drexel already, to improve their attendance they will need fans come to see Towson and teams farther south.

You made over half your threes, but only 28.3 percent of your field goal attempts were threes compared to 39.8 percent of your attempts before today being threes. You only attempted 7 threes in the second half. Gadsden made all 3 of his threes in the first half while playing 15 minutes and didn't attempt any in the second half while playing 13 minutes.
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It's okay, we get it. Hofstra doesn't draw on a bad night even though they freaking deserve it big time! It's a shame, but it is what is it. If they can somehow keep this high level up, they will draw more. Down south, it's all about college sports so a team like UNCW will have the most fans win or lose. College is king down here, but it can be at Hofstra too.

Most of us really can't understand that NE has a game at noon so that they can have a FREAKING hockey game at prime time. That is incredible for us to understand. That is crazy to us, but we don't live there.

Hofstra will get their fan base going soon for this year at least! Everybody loves a winner and this team should dance. Enjoy your ride because you guys deserve it by being 2nd fiddle all these years and yet having good teams all these years and not dancing! This is the year for the Pride.
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(01-17-2019 11:24 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 07:01 PM)82hawk Wrote:  PITIFUL crowd. Twelve game win streak and this is all they get?
I'm not saying there were that many people there, but the announced attendance was 1,504, and with students not there (Hofstra has an unusually long break and classes start Monday January 28) and it being a weeknight, it's not surprising to be below Hofstra's season average. If the season was over now, Hofstra would have their second lowest average in the 14 seasons the CAA has statistics for. Given that Hofstra has hosted Northeastern, Delaware, and Drexel already, to improve their attendance they will need fans come to see Towson and teams farther south.

You made over half your threes, but only 28.3 percent of your field goal attempts were threes compared to 39.8 percent of your attempts before today being threes. You only attempted 7 threes in the second half. Gadsden made all 3 of his threes in the first half while playing 15 minutes and didn't attempt any in the second half while playing 13 minutes.

Good analytics. Dose of reality. On a different note, anyone recognize that Zone Offense UNCW ran? No? That's because they were running ZONE 'quick hitters' versus a matchup. The Hawks have a Freshman guard playing vs the #1 team in the CAA going into battle with a water pistol. Please....just give these players the ammunition they need to compete. It's a wonder they were in the game at the half. Nobody could stop Cacock in the first half and then he was a non-factor. Gadsen was lights out and then he gets no shots and spends too much time on the bench. Hofstra changes their emphasis from outside shooting to taking it to the rack when they realize they can drive at will (adjustment), especially when Cacok is on the bench in foul trouble. They were literally standing in line waiting to take their turn at driving the ball down the throat of the defense. UNCW gave up an average of 85 points a game their last 3 games. That puts a lot of pressure on the offense to try and outscore to win. You shoot 49% FG/60% 3PT/80% from the FTL in the first half and you are up by only 2?

On a day where the Nations 3rd leading scorer is held to 19 pts, the PRIDE shoot 47% FG/48% 3pt and go 23/26 from the FTL.......AND you actually lose the REBS 34-30. The phrase 'under achieve' seems appropriate at this point. What is the difference between this team and last year's team? HC has often said he has the luxury this year of looking down the bench and having options to put in the game. (Get ready for run-on sentence) It is not about the options of players but rather HOW you use those players, the development skill wise of each player (including the veterans that you have benched) as well as the system that fits the players you have, and NOT the other way around, as well as the in game adjustments you employ that puts those players in a position to be successful. It's 2019. 'SYSTEM' coaches are dinosaurs and smart/flexible coaches are worth their weight in gold.

Listen to this post game analysis that says nothing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSvdiVr8vUE). "Our defense had something to do with the 2 point lead at half." Yeah, they score 82 pts a game and you held them to an 80 point pace when JWF scores 4. Well done.
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(01-18-2019 01:04 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's okay, we get it. Hofstra doesn't draw on a bad night even though they freaking deserve it big time! It's a shame, but it is what is it. If they can somehow keep this high level up, they will draw more. Down south, it's all about college sports so a team like UNCW will have the most fans win or lose. College is king down here, but it can be at Hofstra too.

Most of us really can't understand that NE has a game at noon so that they can have a FREAKING hockey game at prime time. That is incredible for us to understand. That is crazy to us, but we don't live there.

Hofstra will get their fan base going soon for this year at least! Everybody loves a winner and this team should dance. Enjoy your ride because you guys deserve it by being 2nd fiddle all these years and yet having good teams all these years and not dancing! This is the year for the Pride.
Thank you. I hope the fan base gets going, but I'm not confident, and with Wright-Foreman graduating I don't know if making the NCAA Tournament will help attendance next season if Hofstra is average then. In 2006-2007 when Hofstra was picked first, their attendance was over double what it is now, and Hofstra's RPI finished 75th then compared to 57th now. NCAA sports aren't popular here, which allows Syracuse to call themselves "New York's College Team." Syracuse is farther from Madison Square Garden than George Mason is. Connecticut gets treated as a local team, and they're farther from Madison Square Garden that Delaware is. If you take the average attendance of the 6 teams in New York City other than St. John's weighting every team equally regardless of how many games they played, you get 915. Most NCAA sports fans would probably be surprised by its lack of popularity in New York City.

Northeastern is below the conference's average attendance in Men's Basketball and Hockey East for Men's Hockey. Hockey East for Men's Hockey has 60 percent higher attendance than CAA Men's Basketball. You and Charleston are the only CAA Men's Basketball teams with a higher attendance than Hockey East for Men's Hockey.
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(01-17-2019 11:12 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Hawks lost this game with the Hofstra run in the 2nd half. In the end, Hofstra has so many weapons to go to and can score on different levels. They aren't 1 dimensional because they can drive it and shoot it deep. Hawks need to keep learning why and how they can defend. As the coach said, they need to look at the game tape and analyze where they need to be. When you're guarding a Wright-Fortman or anybody that can shoot you have to be close enough in posture and can't be a victim of "hand down man down". That much is obvious.

On a positive note, it was good to see Taylor emerge and start finding his place on the team. He is far better than he has played on the year and I felt that he gave a very spirited effort tonight. He has excellent athleticism and quickness plus can really score when he feels confident. It's about confidence with Ty Taylor and he played the game with a good edge tonight. I really hope that continues because I feel that he can really help.

Gadsden continues to impress me with his overall game. He's a really good player on both ends. Kai had a tough night, but will bounce back strong at some point. Toews needs to toughen up and play defense with his feet, which are good. Estime is a great shooter, but has to continue working hard on his defense (can't allow a strong side direct drive like late in the game to their star) and to also work on his ability to drive and eventually finish. Sims seems to always play within himself and is a willing conduit to ball flow. That gets overlooked, but I coach the game (on a very low level-not Hawking level at all) and appreciate that. He's just a freshman, but is playing the game the right way in his current role. He too will have to work on driving the ball to finish, but understands his current role and that role may expand with confidence and coaches consent. He has to pick his spots to drive it, but he has good handles and a great frame so that will be coming soon when the situation presents itself.

This is a process with this team and the team is pretty much a young team now. There are very good pieces here. Cylla has been solid all year and he yet another guy that will be back. Cylla has shown flashes of being an all league type of guy at times, but has to bring it defensively each night and be willing to take it to the rack a few more times. Good things happen when he goes strong on a take. We need to have Cacok just playing tough D down low. Forget about fouls and intimidate with a few blocks too or just play good straight up defense and not worrying about coming out of the game (no cheap ones). The refs will respect a guy playing hard straight up but trying to stop somebody.
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RE: @ Hofstra (Thursday, Jan 17 -- 7 PM)
(01-17-2019 09:25 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
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(01-17-2019 09:17 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 09:14 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:55 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Sims is already pretty good and will be great. It was good to see Taylor out there tonight looking a little more confident. Toews was off tonight it looked. Gadsden is the freaking man. Cacok with 15 point and 10 boards.

Not much else to say except that you better play some great defense against a fantastic offensive team.

I think you have consumed too much alcohol if you think Simms is good. He played 18 min tonight had 4 pts 3 rebounds. Either your standards have been lowered due to our season performance or you have been watching too much high school basketball. He went in instead of Fornes and that should not be happening.

Fornes was the first sub in off the bench. Came in made a bad turnover and then fouled on a 3 pointer so he got yanked. Sims played well in the first half, and yes he was bad in the 2nd half. Did you actually watch the game? Fornes had awful body language and effort, that also should not be happening.

I was at the game, so yes I watched it. Any of McGrath's recruits can make bad turnovers and stay in the game. Fornes makes a couple bad plays and he is pulled. Take your teal blinders off.

Fair enough, I can respect that take. Didn’t mean to get a little chippy there, just frustrated like all of us. That Hofstra team is very good, hopefully we can give them a full 40 minute performance in Trask.
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This is, at best, a fifth place team in the CAA right now. And right now, I don't know that we will win a game against one of the top four. I expect we will finish 7-11 in the CAA.
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