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In the FWIW category, FOX no longer airing the BXII Championship game as they were not getting enough of a return on their $20M investment.
 
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To put that in perspective:


TOP COLLEGE FOOTBALL TV RATINGS OF 2018
# GAME CONF RTG VWRS
1 ALA-UGA SEC Champ. 10.1 17.50M
2 MICH-OSU B1G 7.5 13.20M
3 ALA-LSU SEC 6.6 11.54M
4 OKLA-TEX B12 Champ. 6.2 10.16M
5 OSU-PSU B1G 5.3 9.14M
6 AUB-ALA SEC 5.1 9.13M
T7 OSU-NWSTN B1G Champ 5.0 8.66M
Army-Navy IND, AAC 5.0 8.05M
9 ND-USC IND, P12 4.4 7.74M
10 OSU-TCU B1G, B12 4.2 7.23M

PAC-12 TITLE GAME UP, BUT HITS BROADCAST LOW
Last Friday’s Washington-Utah Pac-12 Championship Game had a 2.6 rating and 4.06 million viewers on FOX, up 13% in ratings and 11% in viewership from last year on ESPN (USC-Stanford: 2.3, 3.66M) but down 24% and 28% respectively from 2016 on FOX (Washington-Colorado: 3.4, 5.67M).

The Huskies’ win was the lowest rated and least-watched Pac-12 Championship on broadcast television (five telecasts). It was also the least-watched of this year’s “Power 5” conference championships.

AAC TITLE GAME HOLDS UP WELL DESPITE COMPETITION
The UCF-Memphis American Athletic Conference title game delivered a 2.1 rating and 3.32 million viewers on ABC last Saturday, down 9% in ratings and 2% in viewership from the same matchup last year (2.3, 3.39M). Keep in mind that last year’s game aired in an earlier timeslot and avoided direct competition with the SEC Championship Game. This year’s game was crushed by the SEC competition (10.1, 17.5M).
 
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RE: FOX No Longer Airing BXII Championship Game
(Yesterday 10:51 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  To put that in perspective:


TOP COLLEGE FOOTBALL TV RATINGS OF 2018
# GAME CONF RTG VWRS
1 ALA-UGA SEC Champ. 10.1 17.50M
2 MICH-OSU B1G 7.5 13.20M
3 ALA-LSU SEC 6.6 11.54M
4 OKLA-TEX B12 Champ. 6.2 10.16M
5 OSU-PSU B1G 5.3 9.14M
6 AUB-ALA SEC 5.1 9.13M
T7 OSU-NWSTN B1G Champ 5.0 8.66M
Army-Navy IND, AAC 5.0 8.05M
9 ND-USC IND, P12 4.4 7.74M
10 OSU-TCU B1G, B12 4.2 7.23M

PAC-12 TITLE GAME UP, BUT HITS BROADCAST LOW
Last Friday’s Washington-Utah Pac-12 Championship Game had a 2.6 rating and 4.06 million viewers on FOX, up 13% in ratings and 11% in viewership from last year on ESPN (USC-Stanford: 2.3, 3.66M) but down 24% and 28% respectively from 2016 on FOX (Washington-Colorado: 3.4, 5.67M).

The Huskies’ win was the lowest rated and least-watched Pac-12 Championship on broadcast television (five telecasts). It was also the least-watched of this year’s “Power 5” conference championships.

AAC TITLE GAME HOLDS UP WELL DESPITE COMPETITION
The UCF-Memphis American Athletic Conference title game delivered a 2.1 rating and 3.32 million viewers on ABC last Saturday, down 9% in ratings and 2% in viewership from the same matchup last year (2.3, 3.39M). Keep in mind that last year’s game aired in an earlier timeslot and avoided direct competition with the SEC Championship Game. This year’s game was crushed by the SEC competition (10.1, 17.5M).

As Matt points out, FOX looks at the 6.2 as the ceiling the conference will garner as it was a Texas/OK matchup. Last year the BXII CCG game between TCU and Oklahoma only scored a 3.8 share. They figure more likely than not any other matchup will be somewhere between these two data points.

The PAC12 is in store for a similar fate for the CCG. They are going to have to move the game from Friday with WWE Smackdown starting on the channel this year. Its a billion dollar investment for FOX. Its going to get lost in the shuffle with the other CCGs and the ratings are going to be even worse.

I have a feeling the bubble has burst on these CCGs. $20M for one game is ridiculous when you consider that is what the AAC gets for the entirety of the conference for a season under the current contract. They will just fill the programming with hoops which is much more affordable.
 
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(Yesterday 10:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I have a feeling the bubble has burst on these CCGs. $20M for one game is ridiculous when you consider that is what the AAC gets for the entirety of the conference for a season under the current contract. They will just fill the programming with hoops which is much more affordable.

I don't have an issue with the conference championship games but I hate the inflated value people put on them. I know the push is that if we go to 8 teams all 5 conference champs would be in but so many of these conferences are so unbalanced that would give a team like Northwestern a shot when they're likely only the 4th or 5th best team in that conference.

I actually like how the Big12 does it with the round robin schedule and the top two teams going to the title game. I realize they're the only conference small enough to do that but I find their champ to be much more valid than a champ from a weak half of an unbalanced conference who pulls off an upset.
 
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(Yesterday 11:10 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I have a feeling the bubble has burst on these CCGs. $20M for one game is ridiculous when you consider that is what the AAC gets for the entirety of the conference for a season under the current contract. They will just fill the programming with hoops which is much more affordable.

I don't have an issue with the conference championship games but I hate the inflated value people put on them. I know the push is that if we go to 8 teams all 5 conference champs would be in but so many of these conferences are so unbalanced that would give a team like Northwestern a shot when they're likely only the 4th or 5th best team in that conference.

I actually like how the Big12 does it with the round robin schedule and the top two teams going to the title game. I realize they're the only conference small enough to do that but I find their champ to be much more valid than a champ from a weak half of an unbalanced conference who pulls off an upset.

Agreed on how they do their championship game. I think the ACC has been rumored to possibly go that route as well. The SEC is usually strong enough to have legit teams come out of each division, but the Big Ten West is a joke right now as long as Wisconsin and Nebraska are down.

Sometimes I listen to Straight Outta Vegas on FSR on the way home from work, and they were saying Vegas handicapped Northwestern as a 6-6 football team because they weren't nearly as good as their ranking. They lost to Akron and barely beat Rutgers and Nebraska, but they got elevated to a top 25 ranking by winning a terrible division.
 
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(Yesterday 12:07 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:10 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I have a feeling the bubble has burst on these CCGs. $20M for one game is ridiculous when you consider that is what the AAC gets for the entirety of the conference for a season under the current contract. They will just fill the programming with hoops which is much more affordable.

I don't have an issue with the conference championship games but I hate the inflated value people put on them. I know the push is that if we go to 8 teams all 5 conference champs would be in but so many of these conferences are so unbalanced that would give a team like Northwestern a shot when they're likely only the 4th or 5th best team in that conference.

I actually like how the Big12 does it with the round robin schedule and the top two teams going to the title game. I realize they're the only conference small enough to do that but I find their champ to be much more valid than a champ from a weak half of an unbalanced conference who pulls off an upset.

Agreed on how they do their championship game. I think the ACC has been rumored to possibly go that route as well. The SEC is usually strong enough to have legit teams come out of each division, but the Big Ten West is a joke right now as long as Wisconsin and Nebraska are down.

Sometimes I listen to Straight Outta Vegas on FSR on the way home from work, and they were saying Vegas handicapped Northwestern as a 6-6 football team because they weren't nearly as good as their ranking. They lost to Akron and barely beat Rutgers and Nebraska, but they got elevated to a top 25 ranking by winning a terrible division.

I thought the same thing going into the B10 champ game - it was pretty convenient that that match up was suddenly between 2 Top 25 teams.
 
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And that's with a blueblood OU-Texas matchup driving casual fan interest. Wonder what a Baylor-TCU game would have pulled.
 
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(Yesterday 12:51 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  And that's with a blueblood OU-Texas matchup driving casual fan interest. Wonder what a Baylor-TCU game would have pulled.

That's the basic problem the Big 12 faces- there are very few people outside of the state of Texas and Oklahoma who care about any of those teams. There's people in Kansa, Iowa and WV who care, but there is not enough people in those states to move the meter.
 
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(Yesterday 12:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:51 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  And that's with a blueblood OU-Texas matchup driving casual fan interest. Wonder what a Baylor-TCU game would have pulled.

That's the basic problem the Big 12 faces- there are very few people outside of the state of Texas and Oklahoma who care about any of those teams. There's people in Kansa, Iowa and WV who care, but there is not enough people in those states to move the meter.

And that is why I can never understand why people get excited about UC getting an invite to the Big-12 (or what ever it is).
 
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(Yesterday 12:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:51 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  And that's with a blueblood OU-Texas matchup driving casual fan interest. Wonder what a Baylor-TCU game would have pulled.

That's the basic problem the Big 12 faces- there are very few people outside of the state of Texas and Oklahoma who care about any of those teams. There's people in Kansa, Iowa and WV who care, but there is not enough people in those states to move the meter.

And that is why I can never understand why people get excited about UC getting an invite to the Big-12 (or what ever it is).

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(Yesterday 12:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:51 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  And that's with a blueblood OU-Texas matchup driving casual fan interest. Wonder what a Baylor-TCU game would have pulled.

That's the basic problem the Big 12 faces- there are very few people outside of the state of Texas and Oklahoma who care about any of those teams. There's people in Kansa, Iowa and WV who care, but there is not enough people in those states to move the meter.


Yep, they had a chance to remedy this problem in August of 2017 by adding top ten population states FL and OH (UCF, UC) and driving conference exposure east to major TV markets. Maybe they still will. Maybe that would be a smart move before OK packs its bags for the B10. Or maybe they just go the way of the trust fund heir who squanders a fortune in dissolute living.
 
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This is exactly why they should have expanded last year. It is crazy to me on every level that they decided against it. Outside of the state of Texas they are in no significant markets whatsoever. Getting into the Florida and Ohio markets would have been huge for the Big 12.
 
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(Yesterday 02:24 PM)Marcus Wrote:  This is exactly why they should have expanded last year. It is crazy to me on every level that they decided against it. Outside of the state of Texas they are in no significant markets whatsoever. Getting into the Florida and Ohio markets would have been huge for the Big 12.

They chose present money and "tradition" over future money/markets/growth. They chose to split the pot fewer ways rather than grow the pot. They chose shortsightedness over future planning. Remember when Pitt and Syracuse chose similarly regarding the ESPN contract? What were their plans? I think the players in the B12 have similar plans.
 
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Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.
 
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(Yesterday 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?
 
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(Yesterday 02:31 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:24 PM)Marcus Wrote:  This is exactly why they should have expanded last year. It is crazy to me on every level that they decided against it. Outside of the state of Texas they are in no significant markets whatsoever. Getting into the Florida and Ohio markets would have been huge for the Big 12.

They chose present money and "tradition" over future money/markets/growth. They chose to split the pot fewer ways rather than grow the pot. They chose shortsightedness over future planning. Remember when Pitt and Syracuse chose similarly regarding the ESPN contract? What were their plans? I think the players in the B12 have similar plans.

Yep. It's just baffling to me. If I were them I would expand by 4 and add UC, UCF, Colorado State and BYU. That conference desperately needs viable markets outside of Texas.
 
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(Yesterday 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

You're right. Any reshuffling among the P5 will place a premium on football so Kansas doesn't check that box. Any reshuffling will also assume portability on TV deals. TX can't (or won't) walk away from that unbelievable revenue stream called the Longhorn Network. So that leaves OK. They seem most likely to move on but I don't believe they are AAU or contiguous to the conference footprint--previously stated conditions for B10 membership.

But greed will trump both those if push comes to shove.
 
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(Yesterday 02:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:31 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:24 PM)Marcus Wrote:  This is exactly why they should have expanded last year. It is crazy to me on every level that they decided against it. Outside of the state of Texas they are in no significant markets whatsoever. Getting into the Florida and Ohio markets would have been huge for the Big 12.

They chose present money and "tradition" over future money/markets/growth. They chose to split the pot fewer ways rather than grow the pot. They chose shortsightedness over future planning. Remember when Pitt and Syracuse chose similarly regarding the ESPN contract? What were their plans? I think the players in the B12 have similar plans.

Yep. It's just baffling to me. If I were them I would expand by 4 and add UC, UCF, Colorado State and BYU. That conference desperately needs viable markets outside of Texas.

That's what killed the old Southwestern Conference... Texas, as a State, was just not big enough to carry a Conference. Now the B12 has some other states involved, but no major population centers... And their national marquee games except the "Red River Rivalry"--Texas/TAMU, Oklahoma/Nebraska, and even Kansas/Mizzou and Colorado/Nebraska--are also gone.

Yes, it would have been a "good time" for the Big XII to have expanded by adding UC (to bolster WVU), and perhaps Memphis, UCF, and/or Colorado State. But they didn't...and they were paid not to. I have to wonder about that; it wasn't merely that they internally decided not to expand, but they were PAID not to expand. Ultimately, the Big XII is just not a viable conference, IMO...no more viable than the Southwestern Conference was.
 
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(Yesterday 02:39 PM)Marcus Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten. Texas Indy/ACC/ESPN. A couple others might find homes in the SEC or PAC-12.
 
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(Yesterday 02:53 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:31 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:24 PM)Marcus Wrote:  This is exactly why they should have expanded last year. It is crazy to me on every level that they decided against it. Outside of the state of Texas they are in no significant markets whatsoever. Getting into the Florida and Ohio markets would have been huge for the Big 12.

They chose present money and "tradition" over future money/markets/growth. They chose to split the pot fewer ways rather than grow the pot. They chose shortsightedness over future planning. Remember when Pitt and Syracuse chose similarly regarding the ESPN contract? What were their plans? I think the players in the B12 have similar plans.

Yep. It's just baffling to me. If I were them I would expand by 4 and add UC, UCF, Colorado State and BYU. That conference desperately needs viable markets outside of Texas.

That's what killed the old Southwestern Conference... Texas, as a State, was just not big enough to carry a Conference. Now the B12 has some other states involved, but no major population centers... And their national marquee games--Texas/TAMU, Oklahoma/Nebraska, and even Kansas/Mizzou and Colorado/Nebraska--are also gone.

Yes, it would have been a "good time" for the Big XII to have expanded by adding UC (to bolster WVU), and perhaps Memphis, UCF, and/or Colorado State. But they didn't...and they were paid not to. I have to wonder about that; it wasn't merely that they internally decided not to expand, but they were PAID not to expand. Ultimately, the Big XII is just not a viable conference, IMO...no more viable than the Southwestern Conference was.

I'd have to agree with that. I think the conference is doomed long-term since they've refused to expand. I just wonder what the logic was for ESPN to pay them not to expand this last go round.
 
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