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Pull up the NMSU vs. CSUB game on the WACDN. NMSU AD Mario Moccia Talks about Dixie State in the pregame.
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Solid add for the WAC. Told you guys the WAC ain't gonna die.
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Given Dixie State's basketball attendance for a D2 school and its location, it is a good add for the WAC. Moccia mentioned he would like the WAC to reach 10 members but the field of potential schools is limited. I would feel more comfortable if the WAC could reach ten members. At this point, I still feel the WAC is vulnerable to losing membership to other D1 conferences; possibly... UMKC to the Summit, UTRGV to the Southland... Seattle U, GCU, and/or Cal Baptist to the Religious based WCC... and possibly Chicago State to economics.
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(01-13-2019 03:50 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Solid add for the WAC. Told you guys the WAC ain't gonna die.

Yup. I think they'll find another D-II move up in a few years as well (no speculation here on who). They are getting a good core, and Dixie will be part of that. Good add, they will be a competitive program for the WAC, no question. Good luck Trailblazers!
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(01-13-2019 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 05:12 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  What do you think the future traveling partners will be once Dixie State starts WAC play?
It seems like Seattle would be the odd team out with the partners being:
DSU & UVU
CSU & UMKC
NMSU & UTRGV
CBU and GCU

The above is an exercise in stupidity.

Travel partners don't truly exist in the WAC. NMSU is "short 11 3/4 hour" drive from UT-RGV. Cal Baptist is actually closet to Dixie State, and Grand Canyon is pretty similar drive to New Mexico State (5 3/4 hours) as Cal Baptist (just under 5 hours). Chicago to KC is one heck of a drive too. The only "almost" travel partners would be UVU and Dixie State which are a little over 3 1/2 hours drive apart.

Bottom line, you do not play one team and head on a bus to arrive at the next school before Midnight. You fly in, play your game and fly home. So it doesn't matter who you play next. The WAC could minimize lost class time with a Friday-Saturday schedule like the WCC, so you'd fly to the next school Friday night after your game and be there Saturday morning.

A much better way to look at the conference (taken from CGU's standpoint, but it applies to all) is by flight and bus time:

Dixie State: 1hr flight to St. George Regional Airport (small), 20 minute bus ride to campus
New Mexico State: 1hr, 10min flight to El Paso, 48 minute bus ride to Las Cruces campus
Cal Baptist: 1hr, 10min flight to Riverside, 6 minute bus ride to CBU campus
Utah Valley: 1hr, 30min flight to Provo, 12 minute bus ride to UVU
UMKC: 2hr, 25min flight to KC, 30 minute bus ride to campus
Seattle U: 2hr, 50min flight to Seattle, 18 minute bus ride to SU campus
Chicago State: 3hr, 10min flight to Chicago, 31 minute bus ride to CSU campus
Yeah, travel partners was a bad choice of words. What I meant was scheduling partners. Thanks for the feedback here.
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(01-13-2019 09:14 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 05:12 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  What do you think the future traveling partners will be once Dixie State starts WAC play?
It seems like Seattle would be the odd team out with the partners being:
DSU & UVU
CSU & UMKC
NMSU & UTRGV
CBU and GCU

The above is an exercise in stupidity.

Travel partners don't truly exist in the WAC. NMSU is "short 11 3/4 hour" drive from UT-RGV. Cal Baptist is actually closet to Dixie State, and Grand Canyon is pretty similar drive to New Mexico State (5 3/4 hours) as Cal Baptist (just under 5 hours). Chicago to KC is one heck of a drive too. The only "almost" travel partners would be UVU and Dixie State which are a little over 3 1/2 hours drive apart.

Bottom line, you do not play one team and head on a bus to arrive at the next school before Midnight. You fly in, play your game and fly home. So it doesn't matter who you play next. The WAC could minimize lost class time with a Friday-Saturday schedule like the WCC, so you'd fly to the next school Friday night after your game and be there Saturday morning.

A much better way to look at the conference (taken from CGU's standpoint, but it applies to all) is by flight and bus time:

Dixie State: 1hr flight to St. George Regional Airport (small), 20 minute bus ride to campus
New Mexico State: 1hr, 10min flight to El Paso, 48 minute bus ride to Las Cruces campus
Cal Baptist: 1hr, 10min flight to Riverside, 6 minute bus ride to CBU campus
Utah Valley: 1hr, 30min flight to Provo, 12 minute bus ride to UVU
UMKC: 2hr, 25min flight to KC, 30 minute bus ride to campus
Seattle U: 2hr, 50min flight to Seattle, 18 minute bus ride to SU campus
Chicago State: 3hr, 10min flight to Chicago, 31 minute bus ride to CSU campus
Yeah, travel partners was a bad choice of words. What I meant was scheduling partners. Thanks for the feedback here.

Just for the record, teams that fly commercial to travel to CBU, usually land in Ontario. Ontario Airport is about 15 miles from the CBU campus. The other options are John Wayne Airport in Orange County, which is 40 miles from CBU, LAX 65 miles, Long Beach Airport 50 miles, Palm Springs about 60 miles or Bob Hope Burbank about 70 miles.

Riverside Municipal Airport is probably 10-15 minutes from the CBU campus. The airport is used more for flight training and education. CBU has an aviation science program and flight school that operates out of the airport. FedEx donated a 727 to the program. The plane has a CBU logo on it that can be seen as you drive by the airport.
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Adjusted list from Feedback. Also Added Ut-RGV -- they are actually the worst outlier from a flight time POV: it's a 4 hr, 10 min flight to El Paso (NMSU is still 50 minutes drive away), and the same to KC (they are still 30 minutes away). Those are the closest ones, and you waste the better part of a day getting to these or anywhere else in the WAC, and you are not coming home that day.

Ranked in order for GCU. You can probably add 60 to 90 minutes to all travel for getting to Phoenix Airport and collecting everyone and everything at the other end, even with expedited security processing and luggage handling.

Dixie State: (1 hr, 20 min total) 1hr flight to St. George Regional Airport (small), 20 minute bus ride to campus
Cal Baptist: (1 hr, 32 min total) 1hr, 10min flight to Ontario, 22 minute bus ride to CBU campus
Utah Valley: (1 hr, 42 min total) 1hr, 30min flight to Provo, 12 minute bus ride to UVU
New Mexico State: (1 hr, 58 min total) 1hr, 10min flight to El Paso, 48 minute bus ride to Las Cruces campus

UMKC: (2 hr, 55 min total) 2hr, 25min flight to KC, 30 minute bus ride to campus
Seattle U: (3 hr, 8 min total) 2hr, 50min flight to Seattle, 18 minute bus ride to SU campus
Chicago State: (3 hr, 41 min total) 3hr, 10min flight to Chicago, 31 minute bus ride to CSU campus
UT-RGV: (4 hr, 56 min total) 4hr, 35min flight to McAllen Int'l, 21 minute bus ride to RGV campus

If you look at it this way, from GCU's standpoint, with a Thursday-Saturday game schedule, you want one of the first four on Thursday Night, so your guy can be back home in bed to still make Friday classes, and those long flights on Saturday.

Note, the drive from KC to Chicago is 7 3/4 hours. But a flight from KC to Chicago is only 1 hr 20 min. These two sort of work as travel partners from that perspective for a Friday-Saturday schedule, as you can fly to KC, play the game and be in Chicago by Midnight for a Saturday game and not miss class.

Seattle and UT-RGV only work as Saturday games and play at one of NMSU, UVU, DSU or CBU on Thursday.

From the Perspective of Seattle you probably do stay overnight when you play any of GCU, CBU, DSU, UVU, NMSU, then commuter hop to any other in that group. The only real destination pair that actually should be locked are Chicago State and UMKC, since it's a long flight to get to either, but a short hop between them.
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I doubt anyone goes into Provo airport. I would assume that all go into SLC. Provo only has Allegiant.
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(01-13-2019 06:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 03:50 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Solid add for the WAC. Told you guys the WAC ain't gonna die.

Yup. I think they'll find another D-II move up in a few years as well (no speculation here on who). They are getting a good core, and Dixie will be part of that. Good add, they will be a competitive program for the WAC, no question. Good luck Trailblazers!

Its amazing what this conference has done with not only staying alive, but their recent/current place in the conference RPI ranks.

And, STILL....people around various boards here and there seem to think the WAC is on its last leg! The conference has value even outside its members as a launch pad for Western DII schools willing to make the jump, if for no other reason.
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(01-14-2019 03:01 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 03:50 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Solid add for the WAC. Told you guys the WAC ain't gonna die.

Yup. I think they'll find another D-II move up in a few years as well (no speculation here on who). They are getting a good core, and Dixie will be part of that. Good add, they will be a competitive program for the WAC, no question. Good luck Trailblazers!

Its amazing what this conference has done with not only staying alive, but their recent/current place in the conference RPI ranks.

And, STILL....people around various boards here and there seem to think the WAC is on its last leg! The conference has value even outside its members as a launch pad for Western DII schools willing to make the jump, if for no other reason.

Aaron Torres of Fox Sports and The Athletic looked at me like I was crazy during an interview at the WAC tournament last year when I said I love that we're a part of the WAC. Some people just don't know and/or haven't been paying attention to what's been happening in the conference since the dog days of 2013-14.
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(01-14-2019 03:01 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 03:50 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Solid add for the WAC. Told you guys the WAC ain't gonna die.

Yup. I think they'll find another D-II move up in a few years as well (no speculation here on who). They are getting a good core, and Dixie will be part of that. Good add, they will be a competitive program for the WAC, no question. Good luck Trailblazers!

Its amazing what this conference has done with not only staying alive, but their recent/current place in the conference RPI ranks.

And, STILL....people around various boards here and there seem to think the WAC is on its last leg! The conference has value even outside its members as a launch pad for Western DII schools willing to make the jump, if for no other reason.

Pretty much why I am frustrated CSUB is leaving the conference. I think the Runners have a greater national presence in the WAC than it will have in the Big West; The California bus league. CSUB is too similar to the other Big West school... Cal State take-your-pick. In the WAC CSUB has an identity separate from NMSU, GCU, Seattle, Utah Valley...etc.
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(01-14-2019 03:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 03:01 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 03:50 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Solid add for the WAC. Told you guys the WAC ain't gonna die.

Yup. I think they'll find another D-II move up in a few years as well (no speculation here on who). They are getting a good core, and Dixie will be part of that. Good add, they will be a competitive program for the WAC, no question. Good luck Trailblazers!

Its amazing what this conference has done with not only staying alive, but their recent/current place in the conference RPI ranks.

And, STILL....people around various boards here and there seem to think the WAC is on its last leg! The conference has value even outside its members as a launch pad for Western DII schools willing to make the jump, if for no other reason.

Pretty much why I am frustrated CSUB is leaving the conference. I think the Runners have a greater national presence in the WAC than it will have in the Big West; The California bus league. CSUB is too similar to the other Big West school... Cal State take-your-pick. In the WAC CSUB has an identity separate from NMSU, GCU, Seattle, Utah Valley...etc.

I truly believe political reasons are why CSUB is leaving.
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(01-14-2019 04:54 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 03:19 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 03:01 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 03:50 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Solid add for the WAC. Told you guys the WAC ain't gonna die.

Yup. I think they'll find another D-II move up in a few years as well (no speculation here on who). They are getting a good core, and Dixie will be part of that. Good add, they will be a competitive program for the WAC, no question. Good luck Trailblazers!

Its amazing what this conference has done with not only staying alive, but their recent/current place in the conference RPI ranks.

And, STILL....people around various boards here and there seem to think the WAC is on its last leg! The conference has value even outside its members as a launch pad for Western DII schools willing to make the jump, if for no other reason.

Pretty much why I am frustrated CSUB is leaving the conference. I think the Runners have a greater national presence in the WAC than it will have in the Big West; The California bus league. CSUB is too similar to the other Big West school... Cal State take-your-pick. In the WAC CSUB has an identity separate from NMSU, GCU, Seattle, Utah Valley...etc.

I truly believe political reasons are why CSUB is leaving.

"I think the Runners have a greater national presence in the WAC than it will have in the Big West; The California bus league."

Oh, I absolutely agree. CPSLO (remember him? Hey, CP, check in) also strongly felt that way. Plus, I really liked how everyone in the conference built it up into a respected athletic conference.

"I truly believe political reasons are why CSUB is leaving."

Could be.....I really don't know / have not heard. But, honestly it also allows us to use funds now spent on travel into other areas we need to build up. Good and bad with our move, from my perspective. So, its a done deal and I really have to focus on the positive aspects for us and I try not to dwell on the downsides.
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(01-14-2019 02:17 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Adjusted list from Feedback. Also Added Ut-RGV -- they are actually the worst outlier from a flight time POV: it's a 4 hr, 10 min flight to El Paso (NMSU is still 50 minutes drive away), and the same to KC (they are still 30 minutes away). Those are the closest ones, and you waste the better part of a day getting to these or anywhere else in the WAC, and you are not coming home that day.

Ranked in order for GCU. You can probably add 60 to 90 minutes to all travel for getting to Phoenix Airport and collecting everyone and everything at the other end, even with expedited security processing and luggage handling.

Dixie State: (1 hr, 20 min total) 1hr flight to St. George Regional Airport (small), 20 minute bus ride to campus
Cal Baptist: (1 hr, 32 min total) 1hr, 10min flight to Ontario, 22 minute bus ride to CBU campus
Utah Valley: (1 hr, 42 min total) 1hr, 30min flight to Provo, 12 minute bus ride to UVU
New Mexico State: (1 hr, 58 min total) 1hr, 10min flight to El Paso, 48 minute bus ride to Las Cruces campus

UMKC: (2 hr, 55 min total) 2hr, 25min flight to KC, 30 minute bus ride to campus
Seattle U: (3 hr, 8 min total) 2hr, 50min flight to Seattle, 18 minute bus ride to SU campus
Chicago State: (3 hr, 41 min total) 3hr, 10min flight to Chicago, 31 minute bus ride to CSU campus
UT-RGV: (4 hr, 56 min total) 4hr, 35min flight to McAllen Int'l, 21 minute bus ride to RGV campus

If you look at it this way, from GCU's standpoint, with a Thursday-Saturday game schedule, you want one of the first four on Thursday Night, so your guy can be back home in bed to still make Friday classes, and those long flights on Saturday.

Note, the drive from KC to Chicago is 7 3/4 hours. But a flight from KC to Chicago is only 1 hr 20 min. These two sort of work as travel partners from that perspective for a Friday-Saturday schedule, as you can fly to KC, play the game and be in Chicago by Midnight for a Saturday game and not miss class.

Seattle and UT-RGV only work as Saturday games and play at one of NMSU, UVU, DSU or CBU on Thursday.

From the Perspective of Seattle you probably do stay overnight when you play any of GCU, CBU, DSU, UVU, NMSU, then commuter hop to any other in that group. The only real destination pair that actually should be locked are Chicago State and UMKC, since it's a long flight to get to either, but a short hop between them.

Seattle did stay overnight for GCU and left sometime in the afternoon/evening on Sunday this past week for reference
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(01-13-2019 03:59 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Given Dixie State's basketball attendance for a D2 school and its location, it is a good add for the WAC. Moccia mentioned he would like the WAC to reach 10 members but the field of potential schools is limited. I would feel more comfortable if the WAC could reach ten members. At this point, I still feel the WAC is vulnerable to losing membership to other D1 conferences; possibly... UMKC to the Summit, UTRGV to the Southland... Seattle U, GCU, and/or Cal Baptist to the Religious based WCC... and possibly Chicago State to economics.

Pistol. There is no way in hell (for religious purposes I used hell) that the WCC is going to take any of the WAC schools you mentioned. Gonzaga will not want Seattle U, GCU is still for profit in the shadows with a non-existent academic rating (sorry my GCU brethen that are here, I love you guys on this board but it's true), and Cal Baptist just moved up from D2. WCC is not the Big West. The WCC sees themselves as an elite western conference and they do not want any schools from the WAC. The Summit does not want UMKC. UMKC has nothing to offer and they are still pissed at them for leaving for the WAC. UTRGV is a possiblity to the Southland as the Southland has some non-football schools already and I don't think for political purposes is the state of Illinois going to let Chicago State go away. No one wants NMSU cause of their horrible football program and we can't afford to join any other conference, especially the MWC which is the one Aggie fans lust for but think Moccia and the regents fart money to pay for the entry fee. Aggie fans complain and ***** and moan about being in the WAC but don't show up to the games to generate income and whine about paying for tickets. We must have the largest superficial fan base in college sports. I see daily in Las Cruces 30 people wearing Aggie shirts, hats, etc. but probably none of them go to games. Its weird.
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(01-14-2019 09:55 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 03:59 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Given Dixie State's basketball attendance for a D2 school and its location, it is a good add for the WAC. Moccia mentioned he would like the WAC to reach 10 members but the field of potential schools is limited. I would feel more comfortable if the WAC could reach ten members. At this point, I still feel the WAC is vulnerable to losing membership to other D1 conferences; possibly... UMKC to the Summit, UTRGV to the Southland... Seattle U, GCU, and/or Cal Baptist to the Religious based WCC... and possibly Chicago State to economics.

Pistol. There is no way in hell (for religious purposes I used hell) that the WCC is going to take any of the WAC schools you mentioned. Gonzaga will not want Seattle U, GCU is still for profit in the shadows with a non-existent academic rating (sorry my GCU brethen that are here, I love you guys on this board but it's true), and Cal Baptist just moved up from D2. WCC is not the Big West. The WCC sees themselves as an elite western conference and they do not want any schools from the WAC. The Summit does not want UMKC. UMKC has nothing to offer and they are still pissed at them for leaving for the WAC. UTRGV is a possiblity to the Southland as the Southland has some non-football schools already and I don't think for political purposes is the state of Illinois going to let Chicago State go away. No one wants NMSU cause of their horrible football program and we can't afford to join any other conference, especially the MWC which is the one Aggie fans lust for but think Moccia and the regents fart money to pay for the entry fee. Aggie fans complain and ***** and moan about being in the WAC but don't show up to the games to generate income and whine about paying for tickets. We must have the largest superficial fan base in college sports. I see daily in Las Cruces 30 people wearing Aggie shirts, hats, etc. but probably none of them go to games. Its weird.

I agree, nothing immediate will happen. As long as UTRGV doesn't play FCS football, the Southland is not interested. UMKC's only chance to get into the Summit hinges on conference realignment; which might have Summit teams leaving for better opportunities. Cal Baptist barely has its' feet wet in D1 so it's years away from making any bid toward the WCC. Gonzaga has no need for Seattle in the WCC. Once GCU "truly" becomes a non-profit school, maybe in time it can remove the stigma of its' past and possibly make the jump to the WCC. But that is in the distant future... if ever.

I guess what I am pointing out is there are better fits conference wise for some of the WAC schools. And, given the chance, they would make a leap... even NMSU. The WAC is not a destination conference (right now) like some of the, more compact, geographically solid, ones... i.e. Big West, Southland, MAC, MVC, WCC, etc. etc... where all the schools fit a similar profile.
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I figure one of the reasons Cal Bakersfield is leaving for the Big West is because besides traveling to Hawaii the rest of the conference is all in California which is easy travel
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(01-15-2019 04:17 AM)KingSean Wrote:  I figure one of the reasons Cal Bakersfield is leaving for the Big West is because besides traveling to Hawaii the rest of the conference is all in California which is easy travel

I inferred that with the term "bus league" when describing the Big West. CSUB will reduce its travel cost making it easier on the athletic budget; especially for the non-revenue sports. Overall attendance should be increased with natural rivalries nearby. My whole argument was directed strictly toward men's basketball (the one true revenue sport). I think being in a conference comprised of solely of California school hurts recruiting and CSUB's national brand. It is hard to differentiate one's self from the rest of the pack when almost all are CSU and UC schools; everything is similar across the board. Recruiting California is now a wash. In the WAC, there is an appeal for prospective California recruits to travel to places like Las Vegas, Washington (Seattle), Illinois (Chicago), Missouri (Kansas City), Utah (Salt Lake metro), Arizona (Phoenix), New Mexico, and Texas on a yearly basis. It also makes those places familiar with CSUB basketball for out of state recruiting.
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(01-14-2019 09:55 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 03:59 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Given Dixie State's basketball attendance for a D2 school and its location, it is a good add for the WAC. Moccia mentioned he would like the WAC to reach 10 members but the field of potential schools is limited. I would feel more comfortable if the WAC could reach ten members. At this point, I still feel the WAC is vulnerable to losing membership to other D1 conferences; possibly... UMKC to the Summit, UTRGV to the Southland... Seattle U, GCU, and/or Cal Baptist to the Religious based WCC... and possibly Chicago State to economics.

Pistol. There is no way in hell (for religious purposes I used hell) that the WCC is going to take any of the WAC schools you mentioned. Gonzaga will not want Seattle U, GCU is still for profit in the shadows with a non-existent academic rating (sorry my GCU brethen that are here, I love you guys on this board but it's true), and Cal Baptist just moved up from D2. WCC is not the Big West. The WCC sees themselves as an elite western conference and they do not want any schools from the WAC. The Summit does not want UMKC. UMKC has nothing to offer and they are still pissed at them for leaving for the WAC. UTRGV is a possiblity to the Southland as the Southland has some non-football schools already and I don't think for political purposes is the state of Illinois going to let Chicago State go away. No one wants NMSU cause of their horrible football program and we can't afford to join any other conference, especially the MWC which is the one Aggie fans lust for but think Moccia and the regents fart money to pay for the entry fee. Aggie fans complain and ***** and moan about being in the WAC but don't show up to the games to generate income and whine about paying for tickets. We must have the largest superficial fan base in college sports. I see daily in Las Cruces 30 people wearing Aggie shirts, hats, etc. but probably none of them go to games. Its weird.

Saying you're sorry and "it's true" does not make your statement any more genuine or true. GCU is absolutely a nonprofit institution, and there are multiple regulatory bodies that ensure this is the case, including the Higher Learning Commission and the IRS. Your claims about GCU's lack of academic integrity are also off base, as GCU and NMSU are accredited by the exact same governing body. Feel free to read about it on NMSU's website, if you are actually interested in the facts or what you're discussing. If you complaint is that GCU's not a Reasearch I intstitution, either are any of the schools in the WCC.
01-15-2019 07:33 AM
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RE: Dixie St Joins the WAC in 2020.
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