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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 10:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A pretty straight forward question here: Would it be in the ACC's interest to leverage for more that the 5 promised games?

The flat answer is No. They have zero leverage, contracts are locked in for the next 18 years. The ACC and Notre Dame already are contractually committed to 5 game per season through 2037 (probably for scheduling availability reasons preexisting contracts they have 6 in 2020, 2023 and 4 in 2022, 2024). This is included in the ACC Grant of Rights which runs through 2035-36. They'd have top blow everything up to change that.

Note also that Notre Dame and the Navy have an agreement to play that game into perpetuity. That is your "6th" game from Notre Dame's standpoint. They are also likely to continue the Stanford and USC deals for a very long time to get access to California (the largest State, 53% Catholic, many of the strongest Catholic High Schools) and 2 additional games in Mid-October and Late-November. From Notre dame's standpoint they have 8 locked in quality games, at least 7 of those in October and November (the hard time for Independents to schedule), and as pointed out above, have no problem lining up at least one premium P5 opponent and for that matter a second strong one every year. The Irish are under no schedule or financial pressure.

On the positive for the ACC (as if the current situation has any negative impact, which I don't see) Notre Dame is locked into the ACC membership through the 2035-36 year, and Football is effectively tied to the ACC deal through 2037 (2 additional years). This means if Notre Dame decides to join a Football conference, it has to be the ACC up to 2035. Why blow that up.


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(01-11-2019 01:23 PM)ken d Wrote:  Over the last five years, the ACC record in regular season games against Notre Dame is 7-18. Why would they be saying to themselves "golly, I want me some more of that"?

If Notre Dame were to approach the ACC, instead of the other way around, with this proposal, would the ACC accept it without hesitation? I suppose it's possible, but I don't think it's a slam dunk.

ND went 1-4 against the ACC in that dismal 4-8 2016 season.

For all other years, ND is 17-3 against the ACC in the regular season five games per year.
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(01-11-2019 01:50 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND and Michigan buried the hatchet a while back. And ND probably scheduled Arkansas when they weren't as bad as they were last year.

I never understood that ND did not want to play Michigan, or Purdue or Michigan State for that matter. ND needed to guaranty the availability of P5 opponents during the portion of the season dedicated to conference games, they needed to provide a quality home for their basketball teams and Olympic sports, and they needed quality bowl tie ins for years in which they don't qualify for an NY6 bowl. The ACC addressed all of these needs in exchange for ND's agreement to play 5 games per year (on average) against ACC opponents. However, five annual games needed to go to ensure the availability of these windows. The five windows were created by dropping Michigan, Purdue, Michigan State, Pittsburgh and Boston College as annual games. However, Notre Dame retains two slots in its schedule for home and homes versus P5 opponents outside of the ACC and is happy to use at least one of these each year, sometimes two, to schedule a Big Ten opponent, including Michigan, Purdue and Michigan State.

Lots of bad blood between ND and the Big Ten, particularly Michigan.

Plus, the Big Ten used to insist that the ND games had to be at the beginning of the season.

So, ND had to make room for the ACC games. Annual games against the three Big Ten schools it used to play had to go.
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 01:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There is a contract mandating 5 games per season thorough 2036.

ND is not going to agree to another ACC game.

The ACC has no legal leverage to force that issue.

I don't see any indication that the ACC will try to "force" Notre Dame to do anything. My guess is that this could happen - but if it does, the driving force will be the other P5 conferences becoming harder to schedule home-and-aways. It's already somewhat tougher for Notre Dame now, but it could become even harder down the road. If and when the Irish need another P5 game, the ACC will be available to them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that could eventually (perhaps over decades!) creep up to 6, then 7, then 8 games per year - at which point, might as well play for the conference title, right Terry?
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ND is having no problems scheduling P5 teams like Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, etc...

Georgia (2018/2019)

Michigan (2018/2019)

Arkansas (2020/2025)

Wisconsin (2020/2021)

Purdue (2021/2024/2025/2026)

Ohio State (2022/2023)

Texas A&M (2024/2025)

Alabama (2028/2029)

Why did these Big Ten and SEC schools agree to play ND in football, all the way out to 2029?

Why did the ACC want to play five games per season against ND?

Why in the world would the ACC want to schedule a sixth game per year with ND?

I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND and Michigan buried the hatchet a while back. And ND probably scheduled Arkansas when they weren't as bad as they were last year.

The ND-Arkansas series was inked in summer 2017, at which time the Hogs were coming off a 7-6 season in Bret Bielema's fourth year (25-26 record at the time).
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 10:54 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  When first being negotiated ND wanted it to be only 4 games while the ACC wanted it to be 6. The compromise was 5...

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There is a contract mandating 5 games per season thorough 2036.

ND is not going to agree to another ACC game.

The ACC has no legal leverage to force that issue.

I don't see any indication that the ACC will try to "force" Notre Dame to do anything. My guess is that this could happen - but if it does, the driving force will be the other P5 conferences becoming harder to schedule home-and-aways. It's already somewhat tougher for Notre Dame now, but it could become even harder down the road. If and when the Irish need another P5 game, the ACC will be available to them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that could eventually (perhaps over decades!) creep up to 6, then 7, then 8 games per year - at which point, might as well play for the conference title, right Terry?
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ND is having no problems scheduling P5 teams like Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, etc...

Georgia (2018/2019)

Michigan (2018/2019)

Arkansas (2020/2025)

Wisconsin (2020/2021)

Purdue (2021/2024/2025/2026)

Ohio State (2022/2023)

Texas A&M (2024/2025)

Alabama (2028/2029)

Why did these Big Ten and SEC schools agree to play ND in football, all the way out to 2029?

Why did the ACC want to play five games per season against ND?

Why in the world would the ACC want to schedule a sixth game per year with ND?

I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. Arkansas’ population is mostly Baptists and Pentecostals, with very few Catholics. Arkansas doesn’t have many football recruits either . ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND gets 2 wins - one in 2020 and one in 2025. 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 03-nutkick 03-nutkick 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-shhhh 03-shhhh COGS COGS 04-cheers
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 01:50 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND and Michigan buried the hatchet a while back. And ND probably scheduled Arkansas when they weren't as bad as they were last year.

I never understood that ND did not want to play Michigan, or Purdue or Michigan State for that matter. ND needed to guaranty the availability of P5 opponents during the portion of the season dedicated to conference games, they needed to provide a quality home for their basketball teams and Olympic sports, and they needed quality bowl tie ins for years in which they don't qualify for an NY6 bowl. The ACC addressed all of these needs in exchange for ND's agreement to play 5 games per year (on average) against ACC opponents. However, five annual games needed to go to ensure the availability of these windows. The five windows were created by dropping Michigan, Purdue, Michigan State, Pittsburgh and Boston College as annual games. However, Notre Dame retains two slots in its schedule for home and homes versus P5 opponents outside of the ACC and is happy to use at least one of these each year, sometimes two, to schedule a Big Ten opponent, including Michigan, Purdue and Michigan State.

I was referring to the historical opposition Michigan had expressed regarding ND's entry into the Big Ten. I take from the fact that they are playing each other that they've gotten over it.
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(01-11-2019 01:56 PM)YNot Wrote:  ...another creative idea could be to add Navy for football only. Then, Notre Dame could *technically* play 6 ACC games - including Navy every year. There would be no change to Notre Dame's current scheduling philosophy.

I've thought about this. For the price of adding a partial member (payout TBD) the ACC would increase the Notre Dame games from 2.5/year to 3.0/year.
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Quote:But, Notre Dame would likely still have little desire to play more than those 6 ACC games and would still run into the question of whether the rest of the ACC would really want ND to have a path to the CCG without a full ACC schedule.

That's an easy one to answer: NO!
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 02:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:50 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND and Michigan buried the hatchet a while back. And ND probably scheduled Arkansas when they weren't as bad as they were last year.

I never understood that ND did not want to play Michigan, or Purdue or Michigan State for that matter. ND needed to guaranty the availability of P5 opponents during the portion of the season dedicated to conference games, they needed to provide a quality home for their basketball teams and Olympic sports, and they needed quality bowl tie ins for years in which they don't qualify for an NY6 bowl. The ACC addressed all of these needs in exchange for ND's agreement to play 5 games per year (on average) against ACC opponents. However, five annual games needed to go to ensure the availability of these windows. The five windows were created by dropping Michigan, Purdue, Michigan State, Pittsburgh and Boston College as annual games. However, Notre Dame retains two slots in its schedule for home and homes versus P5 opponents outside of the ACC and is happy to use at least one of these each year, sometimes two, to schedule a Big Ten opponent, including Michigan, Purdue and Michigan State.

I was referring to the historical opposition Michigan had expressed regarding ND's entry into the Big Ten. I take from the fact that they are playing each other that they've gotten over it.

Not really. Enough to play every now and then.
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 02:22 PM)panite Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There is a contract mandating 5 games per season thorough 2036.

ND is not going to agree to another ACC game.

The ACC has no legal leverage to force that issue.

I don't see any indication that the ACC will try to "force" Notre Dame to do anything. My guess is that this could happen - but if it does, the driving force will be the other P5 conferences becoming harder to schedule home-and-aways. It's already somewhat tougher for Notre Dame now, but it could become even harder down the road. If and when the Irish need another P5 game, the ACC will be available to them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that could eventually (perhaps over decades!) creep up to 6, then 7, then 8 games per year - at which point, might as well play for the conference title, right Terry?
03-shhhh

ND is having no problems scheduling P5 teams like Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, etc...

Georgia (2018/2019)

Michigan (2018/2019)

Arkansas (2020/2025)

Wisconsin (2020/2021)

Purdue (2021/2024/2025/2026)

Ohio State (2022/2023)

Texas A&M (2024/2025)

Alabama (2028/2029)

Why did these Big Ten and SEC schools agree to play ND in football, all the way out to 2029?

Why did the ACC want to play five games per season against ND?

Why in the world would the ACC want to schedule a sixth game per year with ND?

I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. Arkansas’ population is mostly Baptists and Pentecostals, with very few Catholics. Arkansas doesn’t have many football recruits either . ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND gets 2 wins - one in 2020 and one in 2025. 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 03-nutkick 03-nutkick 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-shhhh 03-shhhh COGS COGS 04-cheers

Yeah, playing Arkansas is the same as an FCS school..an easy win. Is that what you are saying?

They are playing Arkansas because Swarbrick wants a "marker" against an SEC school. They are playing Georgia, Alabama and Texas A&M too.
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(01-11-2019 02:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:56 PM)YNot Wrote:  ...another creative idea could be to add Navy for football only. Then, Notre Dame could *technically* play 6 ACC games - including Navy every year. There would be no change to Notre Dame's current scheduling philosophy.

I've thought about this. For the price of adding a partial member (payout TBD) the ACC would increase the Notre Dame games from 2.5/year to 3.0/year.
04-rock

Quote:But, Notre Dame would likely still have little desire to play more than those 6 ACC games and would still run into the question of whether the rest of the ACC would really want ND to have a path to the CCG without a full ACC schedule.

That's an easy one to answer: NO!
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Mark, you know that ND has no interest in qualifying for the ACC title, even if it meant playing only five games per year.
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(01-11-2019 03:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 02:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:50 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND and Michigan buried the hatchet a while back. And ND probably scheduled Arkansas when they weren't as bad as they were last year.

I never understood that ND did not want to play Michigan, or Purdue or Michigan State for that matter. ND needed to guaranty the availability of P5 opponents during the portion of the season dedicated to conference games, they needed to provide a quality home for their basketball teams and Olympic sports, and they needed quality bowl tie ins for years in which they don't qualify for an NY6 bowl. The ACC addressed all of these needs in exchange for ND's agreement to play 5 games per year (on average) against ACC opponents. However, five annual games needed to go to ensure the availability of these windows. The five windows were created by dropping Michigan, Purdue, Michigan State, Pittsburgh and Boston College as annual games. However, Notre Dame retains two slots in its schedule for home and homes versus P5 opponents outside of the ACC and is happy to use at least one of these each year, sometimes two, to schedule a Big Ten opponent, including Michigan, Purdue and Michigan State.

I was referring to the historical opposition Michigan had expressed regarding ND's entry into the Big Ten. I take from the fact that they are playing each other that they've gotten over it.

Not really. Enough to play every now and then.

They've played 32 times since 1978.
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(01-11-2019 03:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 02:22 PM)panite Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I don't see any indication that the ACC will try to "force" Notre Dame to do anything. My guess is that this could happen - but if it does, the driving force will be the other P5 conferences becoming harder to schedule home-and-aways. It's already somewhat tougher for Notre Dame now, but it could become even harder down the road. If and when the Irish need another P5 game, the ACC will be available to them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that could eventually (perhaps over decades!) creep up to 6, then 7, then 8 games per year - at which point, might as well play for the conference title, right Terry?
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ND is having no problems scheduling P5 teams like Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, etc...

Georgia (2018/2019)

Michigan (2018/2019)

Arkansas (2020/2025)

Wisconsin (2020/2021)

Purdue (2021/2024/2025/2026)

Ohio State (2022/2023)

Texas A&M (2024/2025)

Alabama (2028/2029)

Why did these Big Ten and SEC schools agree to play ND in football, all the way out to 2029?

Why did the ACC want to play five games per season against ND?

Why in the world would the ACC want to schedule a sixth game per year with ND?

I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. Arkansas’ population is mostly Baptists and Pentecostals, with very few Catholics. Arkansas doesn’t have many football recruits either . ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND gets 2 wins - one in 2020 and one in 2025. 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 03-nutkick 03-nutkick 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-shhhh 03-shhhh COGS COGS 04-cheers

Yeah, playing Arkansas is the same as an FCS school..an easy win. Is that what you are saying?

They are playing Arkansas because Swarbrick wants a "marker" against an SEC school. They are playing Georgia, Alabama and Texas A&M too.

Did not say Arkansas was FCS. Just said really there wasn’t anything in it for ND. Georgia makes sense because of recruiting (we are not too far behind the states of California & Texas, Terry), history (do you remember a Sugar Bowl you played against a Georgia team coached by Vince Dooley, Terry??), and the state of Georgia does have a sizable Catholic population, unlike the state of Arkansas. As for Alabama, Terry, have you forgotten all about the Notre Dame vs Alabama matchups of the past??? Alabama also has a sizable Catholic population, and the state offers good recruiting too. While Texas A&M doesn’t have the history vs ND, the state of Texas has a huge number of Catholic residents and Texas recruiting would actually exceed California recruiting in my personal opinion.
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(01-11-2019 10:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A pretty straight forward question here: Would it be in the ACC's interest to leverage for more that the 5 promised games?


ACC adds Navy for Notre Dame to agree to play 6 games. That is one rival ND wants to keep.
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(01-11-2019 03:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 02:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:56 PM)YNot Wrote:  ...another creative idea could be to add Navy for football only. Then, Notre Dame could *technically* play 6 ACC games - including Navy every year. There would be no change to Notre Dame's current scheduling philosophy.

I've thought about this. For the price of adding a partial member (payout TBD) the ACC would increase the Notre Dame games from 2.5/year to 3.0/year.
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Quote:But, Notre Dame would likely still have little desire to play more than those 6 ACC games and would still run into the question of whether the rest of the ACC would really want ND to have a path to the CCG without a full ACC schedule.

That's an easy one to answer: NO!
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Mark, you know that ND has no interest in qualifying for the ACC title, even if it meant playing only five games per year.

Right, because then they might get wiped out by Clemson in the CCG rather than the CFP. 03-wink
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(01-11-2019 03:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 02:22 PM)panite Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I don't see any indication that the ACC will try to "force" Notre Dame to do anything. My guess is that this could happen - but if it does, the driving force will be the other P5 conferences becoming harder to schedule home-and-aways. It's already somewhat tougher for Notre Dame now, but it could become even harder down the road. If and when the Irish need another P5 game, the ACC will be available to them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that could eventually (perhaps over decades!) creep up to 6, then 7, then 8 games per year - at which point, might as well play for the conference title, right Terry?
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ND is having no problems scheduling P5 teams like Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, etc...

Georgia (2018/2019)

Michigan (2018/2019)

Arkansas (2020/2025)

Wisconsin (2020/2021)

Purdue (2021/2024/2025/2026)

Ohio State (2022/2023)

Texas A&M (2024/2025)

Alabama (2028/2029)

Why did these Big Ten and SEC schools agree to play ND in football, all the way out to 2029?

Why did the ACC want to play five games per season against ND?

Why in the world would the ACC want to schedule a sixth game per year with ND?

I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. Arkansas’ population is mostly Baptists and Pentecostals, with very few Catholics. Arkansas doesn’t have many football recruits either . ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

ND gets 2 wins - one in 2020 and one in 2025. 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 03-nutkick 03-nutkick 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-shhhh 03-shhhh COGS COGS 04-cheers

Yeah, playing Arkansas is the same as an FCS school..an easy win. Is that what you are saying?

They are playing Arkansas because Swarbrick wants a "marker" against an SEC school. They are playing Georgia, Alabama and Texas A&M too.

It would make more sense for Notre Dame to rotate LSU, Florida, Missouri, and Texas A&M if they want "markers" against SEC schools. Especially LSU - Louisiana is far and away the most Catholic state in the South.

Alabama is a prestige game, I get that.

But scheduling Georgia makes little sense - ND already plays more games in the (predominantly Baptist) Piedmont region than they want to.

And Arkansas is completely baffling.
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If they could wring a 6th game out of ND, the next step toward integrating the Irish into the ACC after that might be having them play a full division every year. ND could alternate between divisions every two years, meaning each full ACC member would play ND twice every four years instead of roughly every six years. ND plays 7 conference games, while the teams in their division play 9 games and the teams in the other division play 8. With the exception of the ND games, the ACC's conference schedule is identical to its current one. ND is eligible for the CCG, but the catch is that winning the division is based on total number of conference wins. ND is at a disadvantage because they play 2 fewer conference games than their division mates. Thus you set the stage for the eventual 8th conference game, making ND a full member and allowing all schools to have just 8 conference games again.
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 10:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A pretty straight forward question here: Would it be in the ACC's interest to leverage for more that the 5 promised games?

Yes, IF

-The ACC supports ND's desire for the "13th Game" without participating in a Conference Championship (and not scheduling Hawai'i).

-In return, Notre Dame has to schedule an ACC team for that 13th game.

I could see that working to satisfy both parties involved.
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
(01-11-2019 05:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 02:22 PM)panite Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND is having no problems scheduling P5 teams like Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, etc...

Georgia (2018/2019)

Michigan (2018/2019)

Arkansas (2020/2025)

Wisconsin (2020/2021)

Purdue (2021/2024/2025/2026)

Ohio State (2022/2023)

Texas A&M (2024/2025)

Alabama (2028/2029)

Why did these Big Ten and SEC schools agree to play ND in football, all the way out to 2029?

Why did the ACC want to play five games per season against ND?

Why in the world would the ACC want to schedule a sixth game per year with ND?

I thought ND did NOT want to play Michigan anymore, Terry. Also, the game against Arkansas is strange, IMO. Arkansas’ population is mostly Baptists and Pentecostals, with very few Catholics. Arkansas doesn’t have many football recruits either . ND doesn’t really get anything out of it whatsoever. Why bother scheduling it , Terry??

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Yeah, playing Arkansas is the same as an FCS school..an easy win. Is that what you are saying?

They are playing Arkansas because Swarbrick wants a "marker" against an SEC school. They are playing Georgia, Alabama and Texas A&M too.

It would make more sense for Notre Dame to rotate LSU, Florida, Missouri, and Texas A&M if they want "markers" against SEC schools. Especially LSU - Louisiana is far and away the most Catholic state in the South.

Alabama is a prestige game, I get that.

But scheduling Georgia makes little sense - ND already plays more games in the (predominantly Baptist) Piedmont region than they want to.

And Arkansas is completely baffling.

Take a short drive from Athens to Atlanta. A whole bunch of Catholics there. And I’m sure UGA has a good sized Catholic student population as well. Also, ND played UGA in a Sugar Bowl back during Vince Dooley’s years that was a classic.
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
Maybe with the new ACC Network
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RE: Could the ACC leverage ND for a 6th FB game?
Notre Dame isn’t going to do anything to jeopardize its chances of making the Playoff semis once or twice every decade by increasing the frequency with which they get spanked by Clemson, Pitt, Miami or Syracuse. Unless and until there is a conference champion requirement, which will never happen, Notre Dame Will has zero incentive to actually join a conference.
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