But now all of a sudden it will ruin the country forever going forward if Trump declares one.
National Emergencies

Quote:As noted in the first installment on this topic, Congress has given a president the power to declare a national emergency by 50 U.S.C. 1621 and 50 U.S.C. 1622. A declaration of an emergency allows the President to reprogram funds in the military budget. See 33 U.S. Code § 2293 “Reprogramming during national emergencies.”

3 of Obama's national emergencies should have been:

1. His DOJ
2. His FBI
3. His state department

(01-10-2019 05:47 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  3 of Obama's national emergencies should have been:

1. His DOJ
2. His FBI
3. His state department

Those were his legacy. His crowning glory. He forever tarnished the reputation of all three.

The southern border issue is arguably a bigger deal for our nation than any of the "emergencies" Obama declared.

And you can't even name them offhand. Are any of them even controversial? Basically, most of them are done with bipartisan support, and are so uncontroversial that no one in Congress has bothered to pass legislation to enact or correct them. Declaring a national emergency, simply because you lost an election, for the precise purpose of thwarting the Constitutional power of the elected majority is a new case entirely.

Trump calls a national emergency on the wall....and you deserve one on guns. And the environment.

(01-10-2019 06:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The southern border issue is arguably a bigger deal for our nation than any of the "emergencies" Obama declared.

Considering the USA has more illegals here than all other countries on planet Earth combined yeah.

Here are some examples.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli.../16851775/

(01-10-2019 08:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And you can't even name them offhand. Are any of them even controversial? Basically, most of them are done with bipartisan support, and are so uncontroversial that no one in Congress has bothered to pass legislation to enact or correct them. Declaring a national emergency, simply because you lost an election, for the precise purpose of thwarting the Constitutional power of the elected majority is a new case entirely.

Trump calls a national emergency on the wall....and you deserve one on guns. And the environment.

Who did that?

(01-10-2019 11:20 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  Here are some examples.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli.../16851775/

So. That article basically states what trump wants to do is perfectly logical as Americans are dying and it is costing the country (tax payers) tens of billions of dollars every year. What is sad is if he does declare a national emergency it will be the first time in history the president will be sued for declaring one.

Rush predicted what is going to happen PERFECTLY yesterday on his show. I'm 100% in agreement:

1) Trump will finally realize (if he hasn't already) that Chuck & Nancy will never sign anything that has border wall money in it. They would let the country fall apart before they'd ever give Trump the opportunity to tout "The Art of the Deal" and be seen as a good negotiator. They won't be seen as letting Trump "win", regardless. It is 100% politics.

2) Trump will eventually re-open the government without any funding for the border wall. At that point, Chuck, Nancy, and the MSM will have a collective gigantic orgasm and the "Trump is a terrible negotiator" "Trump lost" "Nancy and Chuck stared him down and he caved" proclamations will begin. The MSM will declare that Trump has lost his base and is a sure thing to lose in 2020. Celebrations galore.

3) Trump will declare a National Emergency to get funding for the wall.

4) Chuck, Nancy, & the MSM have ALREADY been shopping for a liberal judge willing to sue to claim that Trump doesn't have the authority to do that. They will find one, and the MSM will take that one judge's opinion as the law, and everyone will be told that Trump is abusing the Constitution and he's lost, again.

5) Like all the other times Trump has been sued by Chuck & Nancy (and has won on all of them) this will be dragged out 8-9 months in a court fight, and Trump will ultimately win... and there will be NO media coverage of it, except maybe on Fox.

(01-11-2019 09:13 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Rush predicted what is going to happen PERFECTLY yesterday on his show. I'm 100% in agreement:

1) Trump will finally realize (if he hasn't already) that Chuck & Nancy will never sign anything that has border wall money in it. They would let the country fall apart before they'd ever give Trump the opportunity to tout "The Art of the Deal" and be seen as a good negotiator. They won't be seen as letting Trump "win", regardless. It is 100% politics.

2) Trump will eventually re-open the government without any funding for the border wall. At that point, Chuck, Nancy, and the MSM will have a collective gigantic orgasm and the "Trump is a terrible negotiator" "Trump lost" "Nancy and Chuck stared him down and he caved" proclamations will begin. The MSM will declare that Trump has lost his base and is a sure thing to lose in 2020. Celebrations galore.

3) Trump will declare a National Emergency to get funding for the wall.

4) Chuck, Nancy, & the MSM have ALREADY been shopping for a liberal judge willing to sue to claim that Trump doesn't have the authority to do that. They will find one, and the MSM will take that one judge's opinion as the law, and everyone will be told that Trump is abusing the Constitution and he's lost, again.

5) Like all the other times Trump has been sued by Chuck & Nancy (and has won on all of them) this will be dragged out 8-9 months in a court fight, and Trump will ultimately win... and there will be NO media coverage of it, except maybe on Fox.

One more thing he said may happen. Trump could say he cares less what some judge in Hawaii says and starts building the wall and asks the SC to immediately rule on the case because that’s where it will go anyhow. Build the freakin wall!

(01-11-2019 09:13 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Rush predicted what is going to happen PERFECTLY yesterday on his show. I'm 100% in agreement:

1) Trump will finally realize (if he hasn't already) that Chuck & Nancy will never sign anything that has border wall money in it. They would let the country fall apart before they'd ever give Trump the opportunity to tout "The Art of the Deal" and be seen as a good negotiator. They won't be seen as letting Trump "win", regardless. It is 100% politics.

2) Trump will eventually re-open the government without any funding for the border wall. At that point, Chuck, Nancy, and the MSM will have a collective gigantic orgasm and the "Trump is a terrible negotiator" "Trump lost" "Nancy and Chuck stared him down and he caved" proclamations will begin. The MSM will declare that Trump has lost his base and is a sure thing to lose in 2020. Celebrations galore.

3) Trump will declare a National Emergency to get funding for the wall.

4) Chuck, Nancy, & the MSM have ALREADY been shopping for a liberal judge willing to sue to claim that Trump doesn't have the authority to do that. They will find one, and the MSM will take that one judge's opinion as the law, and everyone will be told that Trump is abusing the Constitution and he's lost, again.

5) Like all the other times Trump has been sued by Chuck & Nancy (and has won on all of them) this will be dragged out 8-9 months in a court fight, and Trump will ultimately win... and there will be NO media coverage of it, except maybe on Fox.

That sounds about right.

(01-11-2019 09:13 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Rush predicted what is going to happen PERFECTLY yesterday on his show. I'm 100% in agreement:

1) Trump will finally realize (if he hasn't already) that Chuck & Nancy will never sign anything that has border wall money in it. They would let the country fall apart before they'd ever give Trump the opportunity to tout "The Art of the Deal" and be seen as a good negotiator. They won't be seen as letting Trump "win", regardless. It is 100% politics.

2) Trump will eventually re-open the government without any funding for the border wall. At that point, Chuck, Nancy, and the MSM will have a collective gigantic orgasm and the "Trump is a terrible negotiator" "Trump lost" "Nancy and Chuck stared him down and he caved" proclamations will begin. The MSM will declare that Trump has lost his base and is a sure thing to lose in 2020. Celebrations galore.

3) Trump will declare a National Emergency to get funding for the wall.

4) Chuck, Nancy, & the MSM have ALREADY been shopping for a liberal judge willing to sue to claim that Trump doesn't have the authority to do that. They will find one, and the MSM will take that one judge's opinion as the law, and everyone will be told that Trump is abusing the Constitution and he's lost, again.

5) Like all the other times Trump has been sued by Chuck & Nancy (and has won on all of them) this will be dragged out 8-9 months in a court fight, and Trump will ultimately win... and there will be NO media coverage of it, except maybe on Fox.

which is XACLY! what some have said would happen since this bs began.....

once Chuck said 'he would never get a wall', it was basically a given how this would play out.....

what I find interesting is how they react after the subsequent SCOTUS ruling most likely tosses that sand back in their face with the '20 election cycle hanging in the balance....

do they continue acting like children or not (rhetorical)

(01-10-2019 08:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And you can't even name them offhand. Are any of them even controversial? Basically, most of them are done with bipartisan support, and are so uncontroversial that no one in Congress has bothered to pass legislation to enact or correct them. Declaring a national emergency, simply because you lost an election, for the precise purpose of thwarting the Constitutional power of the elected majority is a new case entirely.

Trump calls a national emergency on the wall....and you deserve one on guns. And the environment.

Actually I can name them. Sudan? Yemen? The Central African Republic? Burundi? Almost none of his “national emergencies” are even close to being as relevant to the US as our own southern border. The reality is a wall or barrier along the southern border is hardly controversial. Chuck and Nancy want it to be—-but it’s not. They are common around the world as every single nation secures it’s border by whatever means necessary. The wall is an effective peaceful non-lethal non-violent method of border security.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/...index.html

(01-10-2019 05:44 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  But now all of a sudden it will ruin the country forever going forward if Trump declares one.
National Emergencies

Quote:As noted in the first installment on this topic, Congress has given a president the power to declare a national emergency by 50 U.S.C. 1621 and 50 U.S.C. 1622. A declaration of an emergency allows the President to reprogram funds in the military budget. See 33 U.S. Code § 2293 “Reprogramming during national emergencies.”

Well yeah.

Barry's emergencies are "correct" emergencies since they were declared by the savior.

The wall is a bad emergency since it's been suggested by the evil orange man.

Boils down to.....

Demmies = GOOD

GOP = BAD

2014,

Child migrants at Texas border: an immigration crisis that's hardly new
While the sudden rise of unaccompanied children at the Texas border has quickly become a humanitarian problem and a political tussle, minors trying to enter the US in significant numbers are not a new phenomenon.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j...dren-texas

The 2014 Central American migrant crisis
Smuggling. The rapid increase in 2014, in particular, was probably due to an expansion of criminal smuggling networks. Smuggling can be voluntary on the part of the family, or it can be coerced — in which case it's called trafficking.
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/10/18088638/...mmigration

Obama calls wave of children across U.S.-Mexican border ‘urgent humanitarian situation’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...0dbe045cd5

Fine. Call your emergency and strip Harvey relief funds to build a wall that won't stop migration. Then lose the 2020 election and watch President Harris use it on

1) Health Care for all
2) Gun Control
3) Redistricting
4) Climate Change

The list is endless. Trump "wins" on this and you better cancel the 2020 elections. Because they comin'. And with 51% of the American people so mad at Trump that they'll vote for any liberal over him, no matter what garbage ads you throw at them, plus 10% that's deeply concerned with him, and with the GOP doing everything they can to harden opposition them (as well as Dem control of elections in Wisconsin and Michigan) and you've got a recipe for disaster.

(01-11-2019 10:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  President Harris

Perhaps the two scariest words in the English language. Because she would certainly try to do exactly as you suggest.

Except maybe president Sanders or president Warren. That's why I'll register democrat again in 2020 and vote for Hillary in the primary.

(01-11-2019 10:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Fine. Call your emergency and strip Harvey relief funds to build a wall that won't stop migration. Then lose the 2020 election and watch President Harris use it on

1) Health Care for all
2) Gun Control
3) Redistricting
4) Climate Change

The list is endless. Trump "wins" on this and you better cancel the 2020 elections. Because they comin'. And with 51% of the American people so mad at Trump that they'll vote for any liberal over him, no matter what garbage ads you throw at them, plus 10% that's deeply concerned with him, and with the GOP doing everything they can to harden opposition them (as well as Dem control of elections in Wisconsin and Michigan) and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Oh for God sake, Harvey was a YEAR & A HALF ago. If the "relief" isn't done by now, then someone(s) is milking the system.


Speaking of opposition, let Kamala try that gun grab nonsense in those 2 states you listed and see how that works. It will also be interesting to see the "opposition" once they see what the bill will be for all that free stuff and climate change......

(01-11-2019 10:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Fine. Call your emergency and strip Harvey relief funds to build a wall that won't stop migration. Then lose the 2020 election and watch President Harris use it on

1) Health Care for all
2) Gun Control
3) Redistricting
4) Climate Change

The list is endless. Trump "wins" on this and you better cancel the 2020 elections. Because they comin'. And with 51% of the American people so mad at Trump that they'll vote for any liberal over him, no matter what garbage ads you throw at them, plus 10% that's deeply concerned with him, and with the GOP doing everything they can to harden opposition them (as well as Dem control of elections in Wisconsin and Michigan) and you've got a recipe for disaster.

which is XACLY! why it was CRITICAL #henceDJT won in '16....his SCOTUS appointments will hopefully protect the constitution and interior masses from future catastrophe....