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RE: Dixie State to join WAC
The Big West isn't going to invite Portland State as a full member. They are a bus league. That's a nine hour bus trip from nearest current member. Two hours longer than the longest trip (outside of Hawai'i, who subsides travel). And in reality, Davis is the outlier now that Pacific is gone - four hours from nearest member.
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(01-14-2019 05:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 04:01 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 02:55 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Nobody in the Big Sky is leaving for the WAC or anywhere else. The WAC is for schools that are actually trying, while the Big Sky is a pathetic holding tank for the west's least ambitious universities. In order to leave, a Big Sky member would first need to be able to fog a mirror.

Some of the WAC schools are tying, others are not (Chicago State). So really not much different than pretty much any other bottom tier D1 conference. WAC made some great adds by getting private schools willing to invest in athletics (GCU, CBU) which will be good for the WAC in the long run.

The WAC is different than the Big Sky. The WAC is an Olympic sports league, the Big Sky is a football conference. Basketball is the #1 sport for the WAC. Basketball is secondary to football for Big Sky schools. The Big Sky does not have baseball or men's soccer. Two Big Sky schools, Sac State and Northern Colorado, play baseball in the WAC.

No Big Sky school is going to join a WAC without football and no WAC school is going to join a Big Sky without baseball and men's soccer. The WAC does have advantages in basketball because schools like GCU, Seattle and NMSU have larger basketball budgets and the because the WAC is in better markets for recruiting.

As for schools that don't try, I think Chicago State and Sacramento State both try in basketball. Each school has had one winning season in the last 25 years. Chicago State basketball has limited financial resources but they do have a 7,000 seat arena. Sac State basketball does not get the support of their administration, which explains why they are playing in a 1,012 seat gym.

I mean, the players and coaches try. The schools don't. Chicago St. was a desperate add at a desperate time and will probably be gone as soon as the rest of the conference feels like they can safely part company, but other than that one outlier I'm a lot more impressed and optimistic about the effort, interest, and future of most of the WAC schools than I am about anybody in the Big Sky.
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(01-14-2019 09:44 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I mean, the players and coaches try. The schools don't. Chicago St. was a desperate add at a desperate time and will probably be gone as soon as the rest of the conference feels like they can safely part company, but other than that one outlier I'm a lot more impressed and optimistic about the effort, interest, and future of most of the WAC schools than I am about anybody in the Big Sky.

I know you are tied in with a few higher up peeps at Idaho. At the risk of sounding too much like NoDak, could you ever imagine a scenario where Idaho is part of a WAC FBS revival?

NMSU
Idaho
Dixie State
UTRGV??
Azusa Pacific??

Perhaps Liberty and the Dakota schools could be convinced to come play? It's a stretch but I'm just thinking out loud a bit.
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(01-15-2019 09:52 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I know you are tied in with a few higher up peeps at Idaho. At the risk of sounding too much like NoDak, could you ever imagine a scenario where Idaho is part of a WAC FBS revival?

NMSU
Idaho
Dixie State
UTRGV??
Azusa Pacific??

Perhaps Liberty and the Dakota schools could be convinced to come play? It's a stretch but I'm just thinking out loud a bit.

There aren't any higher up peeps at Idaho. The State Board refused to renew the President's contract (thank God). He's finishing up his lame duck year and will be gone in May. The AD was fired before the school year started, and the President was specifically disallowed from hiring his replacement, so we have a fired President and a powerless Acting AD.

If history is any guide, we'll hire another dweeb with zero political/PR sense and the school will continue its slide into oblivion. But if we get lucky and hire someone with a pulse, he/she might realize that perception matters to a university and try to actually fix the 8,000 problems plaguing the athletic department.

Your guess is as good as mine, but the idea of Idaho in any FBS scenarios right now is unfortunately very hard to believe. We are finally breaking ground on a new basketball arena this spring, so a few good things are happening. But it's a long way from where Idaho sits now to FBS football.
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(01-15-2019 09:52 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 09:44 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I mean, the players and coaches try. The schools don't. Chicago St. was a desperate add at a desperate time and will probably be gone as soon as the rest of the conference feels like they can safely part company, but other than that one outlier I'm a lot more impressed and optimistic about the effort, interest, and future of most of the WAC schools than I am about anybody in the Big Sky.

I know you are tied in with a few higher up peeps at Idaho. At the risk of sounding too much like NoDak, could you ever imagine a scenario where Idaho is part of a WAC FBS revival?

NMSU
Idaho
Dixie State
UTRGV??
Azusa Pacific??

Perhaps Liberty and the Dakota schools could be convinced to come play? It's a stretch but I'm just thinking out loud a bit.

Dixie St. has a long way to grow before they can be considered for membership in an FBS conference, if ever. Even more so for UTRGV and Asuza Pacific.

It is more likely that Dixie St. would move to the Big Sky (football only) to replace a few Big Sky football schools that move up to a new western FBS conference (which could be the WAC, for football only).

New Mexico State
Idaho
North Dakota State
Montana
Montana State

Other?
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(01-11-2019 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 05:34 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Have they officially announced what's happening with football?

FCS Indy.

They already have S. Utah on the schedule in 2020.

They will have no problem filling an Indy schedule. Every FCS school west of the Mississippi are looking for FCS schools to play OOC games. They will need to travel, but schools like NDSU, SDSU, Montana, etc. will pay them to do so.
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(01-15-2019 09:52 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 09:44 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I mean, the players and coaches try. The schools don't. Chicago St. was a desperate add at a desperate time and will probably be gone as soon as the rest of the conference feels like they can safely part company, but other than that one outlier I'm a lot more impressed and optimistic about the effort, interest, and future of most of the WAC schools than I am about anybody in the Big Sky.

I know you are tied in with a few higher up peeps at Idaho. At the risk of sounding too much like NoDak, could you ever imagine a scenario where Idaho is part of a WAC FBS revival?

NMSU
Idaho
Dixie State
UTRGV??
Azusa Pacific??

Perhaps Liberty and the Dakota schools could be convinced to come play? It's a stretch but I'm just thinking out loud a bit.

There is no more FBS for the WAC. It is dead and gone. They can be a FCS conference and perhaps adding Dixie St is the first step.
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(01-15-2019 12:16 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(01-15-2019 09:52 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I know you are tied in with a few higher up peeps at Idaho. At the risk of sounding too much like NoDak, could you ever imagine a scenario where Idaho is part of a WAC FBS revival?

NMSU
Idaho
Dixie State
UTRGV??
Azusa Pacific??

Perhaps Liberty and the Dakota schools could be convinced to come play? It's a stretch but I'm just thinking out loud a bit.

There aren't any higher up peeps at Idaho. The State Board refused to renew the President's contract (thank God). He's finishing up his lame duck year and will be gone in May. The AD was fired before the school year started, and the President was specifically disallowed from hiring his replacement, so we have a fired President and a powerless Acting AD.

If history is any guide, we'll hire another dweeb with zero political/PR sense and the school will continue its slide into oblivion. But if we get lucky and hire someone with a pulse, he/she might realize that perception matters to a university and try to actually fix the 8,000 problems plaguing the athletic department.

Your guess is as good as mine, but the idea of Idaho in any FBS scenarios right now is unfortunately very hard to believe. We are finally breaking ground on a new basketball arena this spring, so a few good things are happening. But it's a long way from where Idaho sits now to FBS football.

Interesting, thank you. I know the outgoing president was extremely unpopular so good to see there is some change there.
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https://weberstatesports.com/news/2019/1...state.aspx

Weber State football has announced a three-game football series with Dixie State for the 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons.

The two teams will meet twice in Ogden and once in St. George in the series.

Dixie State announced last week its plans to move to Division I and will compete as an FCS independent, beginning in 2020.

The first game of the series will be played on Oct. 10, 2020, at Stewart Stadium in Ogden. The Wildcats will return a game in St. George in 2021, and will host the Trailblazers again in Ogden in 2022. Exact dates of those games will be announced later.
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(01-15-2019 05:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  https://weberstatesports.com/news/2019/1...state.aspx

Weber State football has announced a three-game football series with Dixie State for the 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons.

The two teams will meet twice in Ogden and once in St. George in the series.

Dixie State announced last week its plans to move to Division I and will compete as an FCS independent, beginning in 2020.

The first game of the series will be played on Oct. 10, 2020, at Stewart Stadium in Ogden. The Wildcats will return a game in St. George in 2021, and will host the Trailblazers again in Ogden in 2022. Exact dates of those games will be announced later.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/9000...d-nau.html

Dixie State also announced series with Southern Utah (3 games in '20, '22, and '24, including Dixie State's first ever FCS-level game in '20) and Northern Arizona (6 games, '23 to '28).

2020 - at SUU, at Weber State
2021 - Weber State
2022 - at SUU, at Weber State
2023 - at NAU
2024 - SUU, NAU
2025 - at NAU
2026 - NAU
2027 - at NAU
2028 - NAU
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Dixie State has more complete information. I think Montana State dates will be next.

https://dixiestateathletics.com/news/201...d-nau.aspx

2020
9/5 Dixie State at Southern Utah
10/10 Dixie State at Weber State

2021
(date TBA) Weber State at Dixie State

2022
9/3 Dixie State at Southern Utah
(date TBA) Dixie State at Weber State

2023
(date TBA) Dixie State at Northern Arizona

2024
9/7 Southern Utah at Dixie State
(date TBA) Northern Arizona at Dixie State

2025
(date TBA) Dixie State at Northern Arizona

2026
(date TBA) Northern Arizona at Dixie State

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(date TBA) Dixie State at Northern Arizona

2028
(date TBA) Northern Arizona at Dixie State
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Dixie St will find themselves with a steady supply of Big Sky schools wanting to play them. It would be nice to see Weber St, SUU, and NAU all be annual staples. Toss in two FBS money games and then hosting Azusa Pacific or another D2 school for old times sake.
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(01-14-2019 05:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 04:01 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 02:55 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Nobody in the Big Sky is leaving for the WAC or anywhere else. The WAC is for schools that are actually trying, while the Big Sky is a pathetic holding tank for the west's least ambitious universities. In order to leave, a Big Sky member would first need to be able to fog a mirror.

Some of the WAC schools are tying, others are not (Chicago State). So really not much different than pretty much any other bottom tier D1 conference. WAC made some great adds by getting private schools willing to invest in athletics (GCU, CBU) which will be good for the WAC in the long run.

The WAC is different than the Big Sky. The WAC is an Olympic sports league, the Big Sky is a football conference. Basketball is the #1 sport for the WAC. Basketball is secondary to football for Big Sky schools. The Big Sky does not have baseball or men's soccer. Two Big Sky schools, Sac State and Northern Colorado, play baseball in the WAC.

No Big Sky school is going to join a WAC without football and no WAC school is going to join a Big Sky without baseball and men's soccer. The WAC does have advantages in basketball because schools like GCU, Seattle and NMSU have larger basketball budgets and the because the WAC is in better markets for recruiting.

As for schools that don't try, I think Chicago State and Sacramento State both try in basketball. Each school has had one winning season in the last 25 years. Chicago State basketball has limited financial resources but they do have a 7,000 seat arena. Sac State basketball does not get the support of their administration, which explains why they are playing in a 1,012 seat gym.

Agree about the WAC/BSC having different sport priorities. Those priorities lead to having their differences in sponsored sports.

Fun fact: SUU dropped baseball when it joined the BSC.

Agree that past Sac State admin has dropped the ball on getting an events center built (student referendum passed in Spring '04), but Sac State has new leadership in place so I fully expect the events center to get addressed in the near future.
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(01-14-2019 09:25 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The Big West isn't going to invite Portland State as a full member. They are a bus league. That's a nine hour bus trip from nearest current member. Two hours longer than the longest trip (outside of Hawai'i, who subsides travel). And in reality, Davis is the outlier now that Pacific is gone - four hours from nearest member.

Not to mention PSU doesn't have baseball or men's soccer, 2 core BW sports.
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Dark Horses Who Could Save the WAC

This was made in 2012. Some changes since then as some schools joined, and others left.


1.CSU-Bakersfield joined and is leaving.
2.San Francisco State
3.CSU-L.A. Somebody in another thread that they seemed to be interested in rejoining D1.
4.Cal.Poly-Pomona
5.CSU-San Bernardino
6.Chico State
7.CSU-Dominguez Hills
8. and 9. won't join.
10.Azusa Pacific A strong candidate.
11.Academy of Art A for profit school like GCU was. It would be hard for the WAC to bring up another for-profit school since the got back lashed by the P5 conferences.
12.GCU already joined.
13.Hawaii-Hilo was a former WAC affiliate in baseball.
14.Hawaii Pacific
15.Alaska
16.Alaska-Fairbanks
17.University of British Columbia 18.Simon Fraser, UBC needs to join D2 first before going D1. Simon Fraser needs D1 to change rules to allow Canadian schools to join.
19.-23. Will not join.
24.UVU already joined.
25.Colorado School of the Mines is an R2 research school with a very larges endowment. They do need a makeover to attract students. Many R2 schools are in D1.
26.-28.will not join.
29.UMKC already joined, but looking to leave already. This is why WAC wants to add more schools right now.
30.Omaha, not sure they will join.
31.Happy to be in the Big East.
32.Wichita State if the WAC who could actually restart FBS football conference, Shockers could restart football and be a football only member, and work their way into AAC.
33.West Texas A&M could be a logic target since they used to be independent 1A in football from 1978 to 1982. They do have access to an FBS size stadium.
34.Abilene Christine if they want to go FBS.
35.Trinity Texas needs to join D2 first.
36.UTRGV already a member, but looking to add football.
37.Lamar University wants FBS.
38.Sam Houston State looked into going FBS.
39.UT-Dallas is looking at joining D2.
40.Central Oklahoma helped eastern schools like UMKC.
41.Oral Roberts, not sure they want to move.
42.Milwaukee could help Chicago State, but would be an upgrade in men's basketball.
43.Illinois-Chicago
44.Loyola-Chicago
46.Northern Kentucky
47.Eastern Kentucky
48.Jacksonville State

My dark horses.
49.SFAU
50.East Bay State
51.Western Oregon
52.Central Washington
53.Western Washington
54.Colorado Mesa
55.CSU-Peublo
57.Metro State
58.Montana State-Billings
59.Fort Hays State
60.Angelo State
61.Youngstown State
62.Midwestern State
63.Tarleton State
64.UTPB
65.Commerce
66.Kingsville
67.Dallas Baptist
68.Cameron
69.UAFS
70.Missouri Southern
71.Drury
72.Rockhurst
73.Missouri Western
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Missouri Western is too low.
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(01-16-2019 08:48 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Missouri Western is too low.

03-lmfao

Listing 73 schools that "could" join the WAC is like predicting who is going to win the Super Bowl by listing 32 teams.
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(01-16-2019 10:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 08:48 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Missouri Western is too low.

03-lmfao

Listing 73 schools that "could" join the WAC is like predicting who is going to win the Super Bowl by listing 32 teams.

Except his Super Bowl Dark Horse list would also have 73 teams on it. Just to name a few, Alabama, Ohio St., and the Philadelphia Soul, plus the New York Yankees have been signing a lot of big burly guys lately. Might they have a Super Bowl run planned?
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(01-17-2019 02:16 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 10:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 08:48 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Missouri Western is too low.

03-lmfao

Listing 73 schools that "could" join the WAC is like predicting who is going to win the Super Bowl by listing 32 teams.

Except his Super Bowl Dark Horse list would also have 73 teams on it. Just to name a few, Alabama, Ohio St., and the Philadelphia Soul, plus the New York Yankees have been signing a lot of big burly guys lately. Might they have a Super Bowl run planned?
And can't sleep on MLS champs Atlanta Utd FC ... they have some real speed threats on the wideouts (which for some reason they call "wingers").
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If Dixie State football thrives as an independent, your next most likely candidate will be a school like Central Washington, who can similarly leverage the Big Sky for OOC matchups. I think it’s more likely we will see someone from the Four Corners states, simply because there is no other place for them to go.
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