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Way Too Soon To Discuss Expansion Says Playoff Committee
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/spor...on/486244/

Not trying to be a kill joy, but the presidents of the universities are just not behind this and the playoff committee put it to rest until next year's dead space between the regular season and the end of the bowl season when I'm sure beat writers with nada to discuss will resurrect the topic again. I guess it beats conference expansion rumors and I know this will not stop board speculation. I Just thought you should at least get a small dose of reality.
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I remember similar comments regarding the BCS up until the day they expanded to 4.

I’m not predicting anything but we won’t hear anything until it’s decided
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(01-08-2019 09:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  I remember similar comments regarding the BCS up until the day they expanded to 4.

I’m not predicting anything but we won’t hear anything until it’s decided

Nothing will be happening until after at least 2024.

1 There's no point proceeding until after Alston is settled.

2. There's no point in proceeding until the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC TV contracts have been formalized which means until after any possibility of conference expansion has passed. Any additions to any of the present P5 could alter conference structures and thereby impact any playoff structure changes.

3. The CFP contract is up after the 2025-6 season so why do anything until then?

4. If anything changes between now and then it will be in the priorities used to select the 4 team field. Delany is pushing for more emphasis on conference championships. If we have any change between now and 2025-6 it will be procedural and not structural.
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Hmm, I’d wait and see who gets left out next year first on whether it’s totally dead yet.
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(01-08-2019 09:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  I remember similar comments regarding the BCS up until the day they expanded to 4.

I’m not predicting anything but we won’t hear anything until it’s decided

True. There will be discussion at the NCAA convention in a couple of weeks. Doesn't mean anything will come of it, but they will be talking.
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If the BCS had been in effect today, the CG would probably have been the same, the last 3 years.


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I still say we go to eight around the time the deal is up.
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(01-08-2019 11:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If the BCS had been in effect today, the CG would probably have been the same, the last 3 years.


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Last year Alabama was the 4 seed, would've been Clemson and UGA
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(01-08-2019 08:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/spor...on/486244/

Not trying to be a kill joy, but the presidents of the universities are just not behind this and the playoff committee put it to rest until next year's dead space between the regular season and the end of the bowl season when I'm sure beat writers with nada to discuss will resurrect the topic again. I guess it beats conference expansion rumors and I know this will not stop board speculation. I Just thought you should at least get a small dose of reality.

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There are always exceptions, of course, but when it comes to conference expansion or playoff expansion, most of the noise is going to come from people who are on the outside wanting in, or those who are afraid that they will be left out in the future due to their perceived disadvantages.

The urgency behind that noise is directly proportional to the fear that future decisions by others will be to their disadvantage. Those anxious souls would like to change one of life's truisms:

Big dogs gonna eat.

So be careful what you wish for.
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(01-08-2019 09:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  I remember similar comments regarding the BCS up until the day they expanded to 4.

I’m not predicting anything but we won’t hear anything until it’s decided

Nothing will be happening until after at least 2024.

1 There's no point proceeding until after Alston is settled.

2. There's no point in proceeding until the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC TV contracts have been formalized which means until after any possibility of conference expansion has passed. Any additions to any of the present P5 could alter conference structures and thereby impact any playoff structure changes.

3. The CFP contract is up after the 2025-6 season so why do anything until then?

4. If anything changes between now and then it will be in the priorities used to select the 4 team field. Delany is pushing for more emphasis on conference championships. If we have any change between now and 2025-6 it will be procedural and not structural.

That sums it up nicely.

Nothing is going to change until the new media contracts are settled. Why change only to have to change again in a couple of years?

Once those contracts are set and any realignment takes place, only then could there be discussions about expansion. Even then I doubt it because if what most think will happen happens (the P4), there will be no push to change except from the G5 which will be summarily dismissed by the new P4. Four power conferences, four seats at the table. Why would they change?
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(01-08-2019 11:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If the BCS had been in effect today, the CG would probably have been the same, the last 3 years.


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Georgia and Alabama would have been left out last year. They were 3 and 4
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(01-09-2019 09:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  I remember similar comments regarding the BCS up until the day they expanded to 4.

I’m not predicting anything but we won’t hear anything until it’s decided

Nothing will be happening until after at least 2024.

1 There's no point proceeding until after Alston is settled.

2. There's no point in proceeding until the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC TV contracts have been formalized which means until after any possibility of conference expansion has passed. Any additions to any of the present P5 could alter conference structures and thereby impact any playoff structure changes.

3. The CFP contract is up after the 2025-6 season so why do anything until then?

4. If anything changes between now and then it will be in the priorities used to select the 4 team field. Delany is pushing for more emphasis on conference championships. If we have any change between now and 2025-6 it will be procedural and not structural.

That sums it up nicely.

Nothing is going to change until the new media contracts are settled. Why change only to have to change again in a couple of years?

Once those contracts are set and any realignment takes place, only then could there be discussions about expansion. Even then I doubt it because if what most think will happen happens (the P4), there will be no push to change except from the G5 which will be summarily dismissed by the new P4. Four power conferences, four seats at the table. Why would they change?
You change to get more money and more access. Even Hancock said they need to look about doing things better
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(01-09-2019 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 11:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If the BCS had been in effect today, the CG would probably have been the same, the last 3 years.


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Georgia and Alabama would have been left out last year. They were 3 and 4

I'd bet the ranch that if there were only a two team playoff, the rankings would have been different. Bama and Georgia were #3 and #4 because voting that way didn't keep them out of the playoff.
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(01-09-2019 09:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  I remember similar comments regarding the BCS up until the day they expanded to 4.

I’m not predicting anything but we won’t hear anything until it’s decided

Nothing will be happening until after at least 2024.

1 There's no point proceeding until after Alston is settled.

2. There's no point in proceeding until the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC TV contracts have been formalized which means until after any possibility of conference expansion has passed. Any additions to any of the present P5 could alter conference structures and thereby impact any playoff structure changes.

3. The CFP contract is up after the 2025-6 season so why do anything until then?

4. If anything changes between now and then it will be in the priorities used to select the 4 team field. Delany is pushing for more emphasis on conference championships. If we have any change between now and 2025-6 it will be procedural and not structural.

That sums it up nicely.

Nothing is going to change until the new media contracts are settled. Why change only to have to change again in a couple of years?

Once those contracts are set and any realignment takes place, only then could there be discussions about expansion. Even then I doubt it because if what most think will happen happens (the P4), there will be no push to change except from the G5 which will be summarily dismissed by the new P4. Four power conferences, four seats at the table. Why would they change?
You change to get more money and more access. Even Hancock said they need to look about doing things better

Assuming there's some level of realignment, the conferences would get exactly that by leaving it at 4. The conference championship games would serve as (and could be considered) a pseudo quarterfinal allowing them to negotiate for more $$$ for those rights. All four conferences get access to the CFP at the same time.

The only fly in the proverbial ointment would be ND. I'm sure there would be a clause written into the contract that would allow an undefeated ND to take the place of the lowest ranked P4 champ, especially if that champion had multiple losses.
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(01-09-2019 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 11:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If the BCS had been in effect today, the CG would probably have been the same, the last 3 years.


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Georgia and Alabama would have been left out last year. They were 3 and 4

I'd bet the ranch that if there were only a two team playoff, the rankings would have been different. Bama and Georgia were #3 and #4 because voting that way didn't keep them out of the playoff.

Clemson was unbeaten. Alabama didn't win their division. Georgia had gotten thrashed by Auburn just a few weeks before. People have simulated the BCS and come up with the same top 4.
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(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  I remember similar comments regarding the BCS up until the day they expanded to 4.

I’m not predicting anything but we won’t hear anything until it’s decided

Nothing will be happening until after at least 2024.

1 There's no point proceeding until after Alston is settled.

2. There's no point in proceeding until the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC TV contracts have been formalized which means until after any possibility of conference expansion has passed. Any additions to any of the present P5 could alter conference structures and thereby impact any playoff structure changes.

3. The CFP contract is up after the 2025-6 season so why do anything until then?

4. If anything changes between now and then it will be in the priorities used to select the 4 team field. Delany is pushing for more emphasis on conference championships. If we have any change between now and 2025-6 it will be procedural and not structural.

That sums it up nicely.

Nothing is going to change until the new media contracts are settled. Why change only to have to change again in a couple of years?

Once those contracts are set and any realignment takes place, only then could there be discussions about expansion. Even then I doubt it because if what most think will happen happens (the P4), there will be no push to change except from the G5 which will be summarily dismissed by the new P4. Four power conferences, four seats at the table. Why would they change?
You change to get more money and more access. Even Hancock said they need to look about doing things better

Assuming there's some level of realignment, the conferences would get exactly that by leaving it at 4. The conference championship games would serve as (and could be considered) a pseudo quarterfinal allowing them to negotiate for more $$$ for those rights. All four conferences get access to the CFP at the same time.

The only fly in the proverbial ointment would be ND. I'm sure there would be a clause written into the contract that would allow an undefeated ND to take the place of the lowest ranked P4 champ, especially if that champion had multiple losses.

ESPN has a say. They don't want ONLY conference champions. No NCAA sport has ONLY conference champions. A P4 with a 4 team playoff may seem nice and neat, but it won't happen. And yes, there is Notre Dame and totally shutting out the G5. Just not realistic at all.
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(01-09-2019 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 11:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If the BCS had been in effect today, the CG would probably have been the same, the last 3 years.


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Georgia and Alabama would have been left out last year. They were 3 and 4

I'd bet the ranch that if there were only a two team playoff, the rankings would have been different. Bama and Georgia were #3 and #4 because voting that way didn't keep them out of the playoff.

Clemson was unbeaten. Alabama didn't win their division. Georgia had gotten thrashed by Auburn just a few weeks before. People have simulated the BCS and come up with the same top 4.

Clemson lost to Syracuse
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(01-09-2019 11:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Nothing will be happening until after at least 2024.

1 There's no point proceeding until after Alston is settled.

2. There's no point in proceeding until the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC TV contracts have been formalized which means until after any possibility of conference expansion has passed. Any additions to any of the present P5 could alter conference structures and thereby impact any playoff structure changes.

3. The CFP contract is up after the 2025-6 season so why do anything until then?

4. If anything changes between now and then it will be in the priorities used to select the 4 team field. Delany is pushing for more emphasis on conference championships. If we have any change between now and 2025-6 it will be procedural and not structural.

That sums it up nicely.

Nothing is going to change until the new media contracts are settled. Why change only to have to change again in a couple of years?

Once those contracts are set and any realignment takes place, only then could there be discussions about expansion. Even then I doubt it because if what most think will happen happens (the P4), there will be no push to change except from the G5 which will be summarily dismissed by the new P4. Four power conferences, four seats at the table. Why would they change?
You change to get more money and more access. Even Hancock said they need to look about doing things better

Assuming there's some level of realignment, the conferences would get exactly that by leaving it at 4. The conference championship games would serve as (and could be considered) a pseudo quarterfinal allowing them to negotiate for more $$$ for those rights. All four conferences get access to the CFP at the same time.

The only fly in the proverbial ointment would be ND. I'm sure there would be a clause written into the contract that would allow an undefeated ND to take the place of the lowest ranked P4 champ, especially if that champion had multiple losses.

ESPN has a say. They don't want ONLY conference champions. No NCAA sport has ONLY conference champions. A P4 with a 4 team playoff may seem nice and neat, but it won't happen. And yes, there is Notre Dame and totally shutting out the G5. Just not realistic at all.

ESPN also knows where their bread is buttered when it comes to college sports (namely football) and that's the power conferences. There's no way the Powers will agree to expansion without automatic qualifiers. If there's realignment to P4, teams will have their opportunities to qualify in the CCG's which would be the defacto quarterfinals.

To be brutally honest, I doubt Fox or The Mouse give a damn about what the G5 think and I also doubt the P5(4) give a damn about shutting them out.

ND is the only wildcard but they'd pretty much have to go undefeated to make it a sticky situation.
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(01-09-2019 11:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Nothing will be happening until after at least 2024.

1 There's no point proceeding until after Alston is settled.

2. There's no point in proceeding until the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC TV contracts have been formalized which means until after any possibility of conference expansion has passed. Any additions to any of the present P5 could alter conference structures and thereby impact any playoff structure changes.

3. The CFP contract is up after the 2025-6 season so why do anything until then?

4. If anything changes between now and then it will be in the priorities used to select the 4 team field. Delany is pushing for more emphasis on conference championships. If we have any change between now and 2025-6 it will be procedural and not structural.

That sums it up nicely.

Nothing is going to change until the new media contracts are settled. Why change only to have to change again in a couple of years?

Once those contracts are set and any realignment takes place, only then could there be discussions about expansion. Even then I doubt it because if what most think will happen happens (the P4), there will be no push to change except from the G5 which will be summarily dismissed by the new P4. Four power conferences, four seats at the table. Why would they change?
You change to get more money and more access. Even Hancock said they need to look about doing things better

Assuming there's some level of realignment, the conferences would get exactly that by leaving it at 4. The conference championship games would serve as (and could be considered) a pseudo quarterfinal allowing them to negotiate for more $$$ for those rights. All four conferences get access to the CFP at the same time.

The only fly in the proverbial ointment would be ND. I'm sure there would be a clause written into the contract that would allow an undefeated ND to take the place of the lowest ranked P4 champ, especially if that champion had multiple losses.

ESPN has a say. They don't want ONLY conference champions. No NCAA sport has ONLY conference champions. A P4 with a 4 team playoff may seem nice and neat, but it won't happen. And yes, there is Notre Dame and totally shutting out the G5. Just not realistic at all.

Alston changes all of that in a heartbeat. There are no G5 schools with less than a 25% subsidy. If there is no cap on paying players (even if we call it a stipend) the gap becomes untenable for those already heavily subsidized. So Bullet it's quite realistic, and would probably thin the P5 herd as well. Realignment and Contract renewals will follow the Alston ruling. So again if Alston wins it likely reshapes conferences. So a P4 becomes more likely in the subsequent few years after this year's ruling.

It's why I keep saying nothing is going to happen until Alston is settled and then it could be the catalyst for significant change.

All of the 8 team playoff, G5 inclusion, and continuance of a P5 is just whistling past the graveyard when set against the potential of the Alston ruling. That's why there will be no move on the CFP, no talk of realignment, nothing, until that case is settled.

If Alston loses, then we will hear whether or not there is any real intention for further realignment within the P5. Then we might hear more serious discussion about playoff expansion once the contracts are finalized for TV rights. Then we might actually hear something about G5 inclusion.

But if Alston loses, particularly on their chief point "a fixed payout standard" all bets are off. Regrouping of schools willing to operate without "pay caps" will occur. That means realignment and likely the reduction of the total number of P conferences, possibly the formation of a tweener tier between the "no caps" upper tier and the no stipend FCS. It would mean separation from the G5 by category as that tweener position would suit the vast majority of them budget wise. It wold likely mean that some present P5s would move down by choice. And yes Bullet it would mean that only having 4 in a playoff would be more than enough.

That ruling should be in by sometime in early February, or possibly sooner. When we know the reality of that case then speculation will be in order. It's simply not prior to that.

I'd say enjoy the January basketball schedule because message board speculation may be at fever pitch by Valentines' Day.
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