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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 09:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just to let you in on it UNCW did play some zone last night and got heat checked by #12. They saw the zone and attacked it immediately with corner 3’s that went in every time. I personally don’t know what else you can do except change defenses maybe every other trip down but sometimes you just get smoked and that is what I saw. Delaware just could not miss from wherever they shot the ball. Offensively UNCW had some really bad trips with quick bad shots by Fornes,Cylla and that is what put Fornes on the bench. Cylla had his worst game of the year on both ends and should see his time go down.

Agree. As bad as our defense is, a more concerning trend is how bad our offense has become. When your D sucks, you need lights out offense (Ex. W&M). It seemed we just started jacking up a bunch of shots without moving the ball around. I understand they want to play fast, but we have to run an offensesive scheme to get a good shot.

Teams are doubling and tripling Cacok when he gets it inside and he tries to shoot through it which results in missed shots or a turnover recently. If he is getting double teamed kick it out to the open man.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 10:09 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just to let you in on it UNCW did play some zone last night and got heat checked by #12. They saw the zone and attacked it immediately with corner 3’s that went in every time. I personally don’t know what else you can do except change defenses maybe every other trip down but sometimes you just get smoked and that is what I saw. Delaware just could not miss from wherever they shot the ball. Offensively UNCW had some really bad trips with quick bad shots by Fornes,Cylla and that is what put Fornes on the bench. Cylla had his worst game of the year on both ends and should see his time go down.

Agree. As bad as our defense is, a more concerning trend is how bad our offense has become. When your D sucks, you need lights out offense (Ex. W&M). It seemed we just started jacking up a bunch of shots without moving the ball around. I understand they want to play fast, but we have to run an offensesive scheme to get a good shot.

Teams are doubling and tripling Cacok when he gets it inside and he tries to shoot through it which results in missed shots or a turnover recently. If he is getting double teamed kick it out to the open man.

The W&M offense thrives on a lot of back cuts and passing. Our offense usually consists of "who's hot tonight?", a lot of one on one dribbling, forced passes into the paint, and recently a lot of ball reverses at the top of the key while the others stand in the corners or Cacok at the free throw line. We don't cut. I thought we had made some progress the last couple games by our offense finding a balanced combination of driving and perimeter shooting but last night was back to the same garbage. Try to take your opponent 1 on 1, or 1 on 2/3. It doesn't work. We don't have any real identity in terms of offensive schemes, and we all know we don't have a defensive scheme identity so there's no point in even mentioning that anymore.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 06:16 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:50 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:43 PM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:22 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  right, but you know what you do with a game plan that's not working? You change it up at halftime, not complain about it in a postgame interview

Agreed... Not trying to defend him. Just adding to 70s post. At least he took some of the blame. I know that's been a knock against his post games interviews in the past. Not many post game comments are going to satisfy fans after a loss anyway. Let's be real.

I thought I heard Coach say he didn't do a good enough job in getting them prepared, which I took to mean that he thought he didn't do a good enough job in getting them to understand his game plan - not that his plan was possibly flawed, or at least needed to be adjusted.

It's really baffling to me. If I had a plan to defend my house from home invasions that centered on barricading the doors, and then when the invaders showed up they started crawling through windows, I believe I would change my defense plan - not say that I should have done a better job of getting my family prepared for executing my defense-of-the-doors scheme.

I'm sure CB McGrath has forgotten more about basketball than I will ever know. But after one guy drops 3 after 3 after 3 on me, I believe I wouldn't leave him alone anymore to see if he can keep on doing it.

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Media TO First half, after he drained 4, i believe we were down 3 maybe? He switches to a Box & 1 at that point with Gadsen defending as much as possible, who knows what happens. I can tell you one thing for certain, he wouldn't haven made another 5 threes!
When a guy gets hot like that you force someone else to beat you. Someone else beats you, you tip your cap.

A box and one is a zone defense. which leaves the middle wide open. We would have gotten killed on the drive, in the post and on the kick out. Plus, I haevn't seen a college team or pro team play a box in one since i've watched basketball. That's at best a HS move and usually a rec move. Futhermore, what are the odds we've practiced a box and one ever?

No, this was simple. Mix it up, TRY playing zone. And regardless if the top basketball minds in the world say we shouldn't do it against a team that shoots well, i'm telling you, WE defend the three better when we play zone. Especially against the style of offense played by Delaware. They slide three shooters behind the three point line on the weak side. Because we cheat so much on the weak side, there is ALWAYS an open shooter. It's the reason we see Toews constantly leaping in the air at the last second to defend the three ball. We are literally 10 feet or more away from their offensive players on our weak side, because we intentionally sag so much. And why do we sag so much? Because we can't stop dribble penetration playing man to man and are counting on weak side help. Another great reason to play zone. It's obviously our strategy, and the Delaware coaches devised a plan to take advantage of it.

The problem is WE did NOTHING to counter what they were doing. ZERO, NADA, no adjustments whatsoever. Our only strategy was to HOPE they stopped hitting shots at a high percentage rate. Quite frankly, that is ALWAYS our strategy. I warned that we were getting all excited about beating two of the crappiest teams in the CAA and it was true. Now it looks like CofC wasn't all they were cracked up to be either.

We're 2-2 and have yet to play Hofstra, William and Mary and NU. And Drexel just took down CofC. My only excitement was that I THOUGHT our coach had learned to make adjustments in the face of a losing strategy, but apparently my enthusiasm was wrong.

I know. Move on and learn from this. But, what will we learn and what will we do about what we learned?

This analysis of our weakside 'overload' defense and late closeouts is 100% accurate and can be verified with statistics. There are moments where I feel sorry for the players because they know by now that they will give up a 3 but they are taught to play to the ball side in help position. It's a little insane at this stage of the season after being burned this many times. I would say the 3pt defensive issue is as big or bigger than the turnover issue which has improved as of late. If the HC looked completely bewildered in his press conference it's because he is. He even admitted he had no answers. This has become abundantly clear.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 06:35 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:11 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 08:52 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 08:39 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  For what it's worth, here I present my analysis of the key points of emphasis vs Delaware:

1. CARTER IS THE KEY. (Which means Cacock is also the key). Team Post Up stats are among their most efficient as they score at a rate ff almost 1 PPP. Carter has an adjusted FG % of 61%. Cacock's ability to defend without fouling is obviously important. I do not believe that outside of Defensive Rebounding he has done enough to merit a selection as a member of the ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM. I suspect that Delaware/Carter will go hard at him early.

2. PICK & ROLL DEFENSE. Passes going to the Pick & Roll Man (Roll guy) are extremely efficient translating to almost 1.2 PPP. However, the number of possessions is small since most teams so far have prioritized the roll man. Pick & Roll Handler is less efficient but when ANDERSON is the one attacking he has scored nearly 1 point on all possessions. Since he is the primary ball handler, and a suitable backup is absent, he should be a point of emphasis in game planning.

3.CUTTING. Most troublesome, and mark my words, the Nationally ranked 8th team in this category will cause problems for the Hawks. As far as I have seen so far the only team to present any challenge to UNCW in terms of off ball cutting has been Davidson and they did not fare well in terms of keeping that team to a low point total. I am not talking about cuts where the receiver just makes a layup but rather cuts where the defense helps on the cut freeing up another player who gets open as a result. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the Hawks are one of the worst teams in terms of off ball defensive IQ.

4. POTENT OFFENSE BUT BELOW AVERAGE DEFENSE. As they say, "Ball Don't Lie." Well neither do defensive stats. The Hens rank near the bottom of the NCAA as a team (#294 to UNCW's #331 as of today). To put it in layman's terms, 'They cannot defend the Post, defend in transition or any DHO (Dribble Hand Off). The only thing worse according to SYNERGY is their defense versus the Pick & Roll Handler. This means TOEWS. If he is aggressive and looking to score IF Delaware decides to stay with shooters instead of help, which I suspect will be the norm from here on, then he will have a lot of opportunity to prove he can finish or get to the FTL (Free Throw Line). He is almost a 80% FT guy.

5. TRASK. These guys have been on the road. The last time they were at home there were no students. They have momentum. Delaware knows this is a 'prove it to the non-believers' kind of game. As far as big games go this early in the Conference schedule this is HUGE! Big for the Hens but absolutely HUGE for the home team. The season certainly does not depend on this game, however, I can imagine that a win at home will do enough to repair the confidence loss this team suffered in the Non-Conference schedule and restore a little 'swag' to UNCW Basketball going forward.

Personally, it is my hope that everybody gets behind this team for this game because that's what true fans do. Especially considering we have seen a very abrupt change in the 'tone' of posts on this Discussion Board going from 'Doom & Gloom' to 'Let's All Drink the Kool-Aid' in the last 3 weeks.

WINNING CURES EVERYTHING

Go Hawks!


Awesome, awesome stuff. Please post analyses like these for every game. They make mine look like kids stuff, haha.

Could an uptick in our utilization of zone defense be a good counter to their strengths in cutting and pick 'n' roll, as well as keeping Cacok out of foul trouble due to the Carter effect? 82Hawk, your time to shine perhaps?

Thank you. Everybody has something to add to these discussions no matter the level of experience in the sport.

Delaware has played vs ZONE for 189 possessions this season scoring 160 points which means 0.8 PPP. This ranks their Zone Offense at #266 out of 351 teams compared to UNCW at #232 (More teams should play zone vs the Hawks because of their penchant to shoot outside anated lack of 'gap drivers'.

UNCW should experiment with ZONE after time outs or start/end of quarters (ATO) to stop any offensive momentum and/or to just keep the other team off balance. Matchup Zone would be better but takes time and player IQ to run effectively.

Just looked back at this. Great prognostication which we completely ignored. ZONE defense is the Kryptonite for Delaware and we played ZERO zone defense. Can we possibly donate money so our coaches have access to Synergy statistics? Specifically, look at #3. The suggestion to play zone was spot on and the statistics of how poorly Delaware scores against the zone supports it.

This analysis is EXACTLY what happened. If a bunch of people on a message board can figure this out, why can't our coaches?

I resent being referred to as 'a bunch of people' in reference to my pre-game analysis. (Kidding) It's normally nice to be acknowledged to be right after the fact but in this case it saddens me to be so. This loss was completely avoidable and access to high level basketball software stats has little to do with it. (I am SURE that UNCW uses SYNERGY, which makes it even worse) No in game adjustment and a faulty defensive scheme that allows open threes on the weak side because of over help usually putting TOEWS as the bottom defender position while his man lifts to the 3pt line. Confirm it on video and you will see the same pattern again and again.
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I don't know what you guys think a coach can do from the sidelines to stop a guy from making shots. The blame game is just a lame approach to something that can just flat out happen to great players,teams,programs. The sky is not falling here and CB is getting some good young talent to commit here. Not making excuses for losing but to throw the guy under the bus is just stupid. He came into a very tough spot with no incoming class,best offensive player leaves with Keatts and the expectation to win right now. Take a step back and try to see the big picture,it does the program no good to trash CB after every loss. Give the dude a real chance and if after 3 seasons he is not getting it done then it might be time to have that talk. I think he gets it done and they start turning it around. 2-2 at this point is not great but certainly nothing to jump off the bridge about either.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 10:55 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 06:35 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:11 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 08:52 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 08:39 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  For what it's worth, here I present my analysis of the key points of emphasis vs Delaware:

1. CARTER IS THE KEY. (Which means Cacock is also the key). Team Post Up stats are among their most efficient as they score at a rate ff almost 1 PPP. Carter has an adjusted FG % of 61%. Cacock's ability to defend without fouling is obviously important. I do not believe that outside of Defensive Rebounding he has done enough to merit a selection as a member of the ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM. I suspect that Delaware/Carter will go hard at him early.

2. PICK & ROLL DEFENSE. Passes going to the Pick & Roll Man (Roll guy) are extremely efficient translating to almost 1.2 PPP. However, the number of possessions is small since most teams so far have prioritized the roll man. Pick & Roll Handler is less efficient but when ANDERSON is the one attacking he has scored nearly 1 point on all possessions. Since he is the primary ball handler, and a suitable backup is absent, he should be a point of emphasis in game planning.

3.CUTTING. Most troublesome, and mark my words, the Nationally ranked 8th team in this category will cause problems for the Hawks. As far as I have seen so far the only team to present any challenge to UNCW in terms of off ball cutting has been Davidson and they did not fare well in terms of keeping that team to a low point total. I am not talking about cuts where the receiver just makes a layup but rather cuts where the defense helps on the cut freeing up another player who gets open as a result. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the Hawks are one of the worst teams in terms of off ball defensive IQ.

4. POTENT OFFENSE BUT BELOW AVERAGE DEFENSE. As they say, "Ball Don't Lie." Well neither do defensive stats. The Hens rank near the bottom of the NCAA as a team (#294 to UNCW's #331 as of today). To put it in layman's terms, 'They cannot defend the Post, defend in transition or any DHO (Dribble Hand Off). The only thing worse according to SYNERGY is their defense versus the Pick & Roll Handler. This means TOEWS. If he is aggressive and looking to score IF Delaware decides to stay with shooters instead of help, which I suspect will be the norm from here on, then he will have a lot of opportunity to prove he can finish or get to the FTL (Free Throw Line). He is almost a 80% FT guy.

5. TRASK. These guys have been on the road. The last time they were at home there were no students. They have momentum. Delaware knows this is a 'prove it to the non-believers' kind of game. As far as big games go this early in the Conference schedule this is HUGE! Big for the Hens but absolutely HUGE for the home team. The season certainly does not depend on this game, however, I can imagine that a win at home will do enough to repair the confidence loss this team suffered in the Non-Conference schedule and restore a little 'swag' to UNCW Basketball going forward.

Personally, it is my hope that everybody gets behind this team for this game because that's what true fans do. Especially considering we have seen a very abrupt change in the 'tone' of posts on this Discussion Board going from 'Doom & Gloom' to 'Let's All Drink the Kool-Aid' in the last 3 weeks.

WINNING CURES EVERYTHING

Go Hawks!


Awesome, awesome stuff. Please post analyses like these for every game. They make mine look like kids stuff, haha.

Could an uptick in our utilization of zone defense be a good counter to their strengths in cutting and pick 'n' roll, as well as keeping Cacok out of foul trouble due to the Carter effect? 82Hawk, your time to shine perhaps?

Thank you. Everybody has something to add to these discussions no matter the level of experience in the sport.

Delaware has played vs ZONE for 189 possessions this season scoring 160 points which means 0.8 PPP. This ranks their Zone Offense at #266 out of 351 teams compared to UNCW at #232 (More teams should play zone vs the Hawks because of their penchant to shoot outside anated lack of 'gap drivers'.

UNCW should experiment with ZONE after time outs or start/end of quarters (ATO) to stop any offensive momentum and/or to just keep the other team off balance. Matchup Zone would be better but takes time and player IQ to run effectively.

Just looked back at this. Great prognostication which we completely ignored. ZONE defense is the Kryptonite for Delaware and we played ZERO zone defense. Can we possibly donate money so our coaches have access to Synergy statistics? Specifically, look at #3. The suggestion to play zone was spot on and the statistics of how poorly Delaware scores against the zone supports it.

This analysis is EXACTLY what happened. If a bunch of people on a message board can figure this out, why can't our coaches?

I resent being referred to as 'a bunch of people' in reference to my pre-game analysis. (Kidding) It's normally nice to be acknowledged to be right after the fact but in this case it saddens me to be so. This loss was completely avoidable and access to high level basketball software stats has little to do with it. (I am SURE that UNCW uses SYNERGY, which makes it even worse) No in game adjustment and a faulty defensive scheme that allows open threes on the weak side because of over help usually putting TOEWS as the bottom defender position while his man lifts to the 3pt line. Confirm it on video and you will see the same pattern again and again.

No need to rewatch that. If you watched it the first time you saw it every single play. They'd bring the ball up, kick it around the perimeter, someone would cut with no intention of getting to the bucket, wait for all defenders to collapse and kick it outside. It was that play on loop, after loop, after loop.
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I agree Mullet. No need to kill the coach over this because it does no good. Heck, they doubled all night on Cacok and played some zone themselves. Hawks need to learn from this and move on. With that written, it's also good to hear very good insight from clearly a former college/pro player or coach. We just need to keep all of this constructive moving forward regardless of the frustration.
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(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't know what you guys think a coach can do from the sidelines to stop a guy from making shots. The blame game is just a lame approach to something that can just flat out happen to great players,teams,programs. The sky is not falling here and CB is getting some good young talent to commit here. Not making excuses for losing but to throw the guy under the bus is just stupid. He came into a very tough spot with no incoming class,best offensive player leaves with Keatts and the expectation to win right now. Take a step back and try to see the big picture,it does the program no good to trash CB after every loss. Give the dude a real chance and if after 3 seasons he is not getting it done then it might be time to have that talk. I think he gets it done and they start turning it around. 2-2 at this point is not great but certainly nothing to jump off the bridge about either.

I don't question at all his "big picture". I think you make very valid points there and I'm firmly in that camp of waiting to have that conversation at the end of the season. I also think we'll make some significant improvement in the long term in CAA play. So there's that.

My issue last night was the lack of adjustment. It just didn't happen, and it was easy to watch and think of 2 maybe 3 ideas to at least switch something up to raise the difficulty on Delaware. In the first two minutes of play, Horton was the only player that scored for Delaware. By the time they had 17 pts I think it was, it was him and one other player (the other player having 2 pts). I get that some nights there's a player that is just going to run game and be a stone cold assassin. But ADJUST something. There was no attempt to adjust. IMO, that's what drives a lot of fans criticism of last night. I thought 70's analogy of defending his home at the door vs window was spot on.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 11:10 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 10:55 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 06:35 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:11 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 08:52 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Awesome, awesome stuff. Please post analyses like these for every game. They make mine look like kids stuff, haha.

Could an uptick in our utilization of zone defense be a good counter to their strengths in cutting and pick 'n' roll, as well as keeping Cacok out of foul trouble due to the Carter effect? 82Hawk, your time to shine perhaps?

Thank you. Everybody has something to add to these discussions no matter the level of experience in the sport.

Delaware has played vs ZONE for 189 possessions this season scoring 160 points which means 0.8 PPP. This ranks their Zone Offense at #266 out of 351 teams compared to UNCW at #232 (More teams should play zone vs the Hawks because of their penchant to shoot outside anated lack of 'gap drivers'.

UNCW should experiment with ZONE after time outs or start/end of quarters (ATO) to stop any offensive momentum and/or to just keep the other team off balance. Matchup Zone would be better but takes time and player IQ to run effectively.

Just looked back at this. Great prognostication which we completely ignored. ZONE defense is the Kryptonite for Delaware and we played ZERO zone defense. Can we possibly donate money so our coaches have access to Synergy statistics? Specifically, look at #3. The suggestion to play zone was spot on and the statistics of how poorly Delaware scores against the zone supports it.

This analysis is EXACTLY what happened. If a bunch of people on a message board can figure this out, why can't our coaches?

I resent being referred to as 'a bunch of people' in reference to my pre-game analysis. (Kidding) It's normally nice to be acknowledged to be right after the fact but in this case it saddens me to be so. This loss was completely avoidable and access to high level basketball software stats has little to do with it. (I am SURE that UNCW uses SYNERGY, which makes it even worse) No in game adjustment and a faulty defensive scheme that allows open threes on the weak side because of over help usually putting TOEWS as the bottom defender position while his man lifts to the 3pt line. Confirm it on video and you will see the same pattern again and again.

No need to rewatch that. If you watched it the first time you saw it every single play. They'd bring the ball up, kick it around the perimeter, someone would cut with no intention of getting to the bucket, wait for all defenders to collapse and kick it outside. It was that play on loop, after loop, after loop.
Yup, and somehow in the midst of helping on the cutter that had no gimme the ball intentions, we'd lose a guy who literally couldn't miss. I just don't get it. Even if they were to stick with man, the message is simple, "whoever is guarding Horton stick to him like Glue, No doubles etc."
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 11:16 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:10 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 10:55 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 06:35 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:11 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  Thank you. Everybody has something to add to these discussions no matter the level of experience in the sport.

Delaware has played vs ZONE for 189 possessions this season scoring 160 points which means 0.8 PPP. This ranks their Zone Offense at #266 out of 351 teams compared to UNCW at #232 (More teams should play zone vs the Hawks because of their penchant to shoot outside anated lack of 'gap drivers'.

UNCW should experiment with ZONE after time outs or start/end of quarters (ATO) to stop any offensive momentum and/or to just keep the other team off balance. Matchup Zone would be better but takes time and player IQ to run effectively.

Just looked back at this. Great prognostication which we completely ignored. ZONE defense is the Kryptonite for Delaware and we played ZERO zone defense. Can we possibly donate money so our coaches have access to Synergy statistics? Specifically, look at #3. The suggestion to play zone was spot on and the statistics of how poorly Delaware scores against the zone supports it.

This analysis is EXACTLY what happened. If a bunch of people on a message board can figure this out, why can't our coaches?

I resent being referred to as 'a bunch of people' in reference to my pre-game analysis. (Kidding) It's normally nice to be acknowledged to be right after the fact but in this case it saddens me to be so. This loss was completely avoidable and access to high level basketball software stats has little to do with it. (I am SURE that UNCW uses SYNERGY, which makes it even worse) No in game adjustment and a faulty defensive scheme that allows open threes on the weak side because of over help usually putting TOEWS as the bottom defender position while his man lifts to the 3pt line. Confirm it on video and you will see the same pattern again and again.

No need to rewatch that. If you watched it the first time you saw it every single play. They'd bring the ball up, kick it around the perimeter, someone would cut with no intention of getting to the bucket, wait for all defenders to collapse and kick it outside. It was that play on loop, after loop, after loop.
Yup, and somehow in the midst of helping on the cutter that had no gimme the ball intentions, we'd lose a guy who literally couldn't miss. I just don't get it. Even if they were to stick with man, the message is simple, "whoever is guarding Horton stick to him like Glue, No doubles etc."

I thought Hawking said it best in terms of all the sagging. Watching the games, you can literally watch the space and watch their offensive players just setting up for it and once a double or missed switch from a screen happen, boom they're ready and knocking them down.

All the talk about opponents game planning to exploit our 3 pt defense is beyond obvious and we didn't need our color commentator to point it out, but whatever. It's clear the opponents know that McGrath is sticking PRIMARILY with a man defense and that they can efficiently screen until it opens someone up or watch 2-3 defenders crash on someone driving and leave their man because of all the sagging aforementioned. That's quite clear, and I don't blame them for planning for it and exploiting it.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 11:28 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:16 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:10 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 10:55 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 06:35 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Just looked back at this. Great prognostication which we completely ignored. ZONE defense is the Kryptonite for Delaware and we played ZERO zone defense. Can we possibly donate money so our coaches have access to Synergy statistics? Specifically, look at #3. The suggestion to play zone was spot on and the statistics of how poorly Delaware scores against the zone supports it.

This analysis is EXACTLY what happened. If a bunch of people on a message board can figure this out, why can't our coaches?

I resent being referred to as 'a bunch of people' in reference to my pre-game analysis. (Kidding) It's normally nice to be acknowledged to be right after the fact but in this case it saddens me to be so. This loss was completely avoidable and access to high level basketball software stats has little to do with it. (I am SURE that UNCW uses SYNERGY, which makes it even worse) No in game adjustment and a faulty defensive scheme that allows open threes on the weak side because of over help usually putting TOEWS as the bottom defender position while his man lifts to the 3pt line. Confirm it on video and you will see the same pattern again and again.

No need to rewatch that. If you watched it the first time you saw it every single play. They'd bring the ball up, kick it around the perimeter, someone would cut with no intention of getting to the bucket, wait for all defenders to collapse and kick it outside. It was that play on loop, after loop, after loop.
Yup, and somehow in the midst of helping on the cutter that had no gimme the ball intentions, we'd lose a guy who literally couldn't miss. I just don't get it. Even if they were to stick with man, the message is simple, "whoever is guarding Horton stick to him like Glue, No doubles etc."

I thought Hawking said it best in terms of all the sagging. Watching the games, you can literally watch the space and watch their offensive players just setting up for it and once a double or missed switch from a screen happen, boom they're ready and knocking them down.

All the talk about opponents game planning to exploit our 3 pt defense is beyond obvious and we didn't need our color commentator to point it out, but whatever. It's clear the opponents know that McGrath is sticking PRIMARILY with a man defense and that they can efficiently screen until it opens someone up or watch 2-3 defenders crash on someone driving and leave their man because of all the sagging aforementioned. That's quite clear, and I don't blame them for planning for it and exploiting it.
Don't blame them one bit. If i'm on
the other bench my game plan is to exploit the hell out of it. That's coaching.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 09:18 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just to let you in on it UNCW did play some zone last night and got heat checked by #12. They saw the zone and attacked it immediately with corner 3’s that went in every time. I personally don’t know what else you can do except change defenses maybe every other trip down but sometimes you just get smoked and that is what I saw. Delaware just could not miss from wherever they shot the ball. Offensively UNCW had some really bad trips with quick bad shots by Fornes,Cylla and that is what put Fornes on the bench. Cylla had his worst game of the year on both ends and should see his time go down.

but but but but, ZONE is the answer03-banghead


It WAS and IS the answer for UNCW, period. We suck defending man to man, we've proven that. I watched the entire game, if we played zone it was for two possesions at the most. Furthermore, statistics(aka facts) show that Delaware is least efficient in scoring against the zone. If they hit a two threes against the zone, it means they hit at least 13 against m-m. They rely on the drive and kickout for spot up, open threes and they need a m-m defense to get those drives that collapse our defenders.

We got all hyped because we beat JMU in double OT and beat a really crappy Towson team. All it took to deflate that bubble was a decent team with a decent game plan and boom, our defense disappeared.

Cacok is gone this year, we'd better get it while we can.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 01:00 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:18 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just to let you in on it UNCW did play some zone last night and got heat checked by #12. They saw the zone and attacked it immediately with corner 3’s that went in every time. I personally don’t know what else you can do except change defenses maybe every other trip down but sometimes you just get smoked and that is what I saw. Delaware just could not miss from wherever they shot the ball. Offensively UNCW had some really bad trips with quick bad shots by Fornes,Cylla and that is what put Fornes on the bench. Cylla had his worst game of the year on both ends and should see his time go down.

but but but but, ZONE is the answer03-banghead


It WAS and IS the answer for UNCW, period. We suck defending man to man, we've proven that. I watched the entire game, if we played zone it was for two possesions at the most. Furthermore, statistics(aka facts) show that Delaware is least efficient in scoring against the zone. If they hit a two threes against the zone, it means they hit at least 13 against m-m. They rely on the drive and kickout for spot up, open threes and they need a m-m defense to get those drives that collapse our defenders.

We got all hyped because we beat JMU in double OT and beat a really crappy Towson team. All it took to deflate that bubble was a decent team with a decent game plan and boom, our defense disappeared.

Cacok is gone this year, we'd better get it while we can.

Stats also show they are not a very good 3 point shooting team. But.... last night they were.
I'm going to let this die after this post because you clearly don't get it. The drive and kick as you put it is the Blueprint for how to beat a zone, that and quick passes.
We agree that they should have tried something different earlier, I'll leave it at that
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 01:00 PM)82hawk Wrote:  We got all hyped because we beat JMU in double OT and beat a really crappy Towson team. All it took to deflate that bubble was a decent team with a decent game plan and boom, our defense disappeared.

I wasn't. I recall taking some flack from some here for putting us 6th in the Power Rankings behind both Northeastern and Delaware.

The wins over JMU and Towson were nice to put into the bank. Any time you can get road wins in this league is big, regardless of opponent. And while I think our ceiling is still very high, we've clearly got a lot of work to do.

Getting Gadsden back has already been big, but I'd like to see him return to the starting lineup as soon as possible. He needs big minutes, and has the ability to play both guard spots. There's no reason to be exclusively playing him at PG, and only when Toews is out, like we did for much of last night's contest.

Toews-Gadsden-Estime-Cylla-Cacok, with Fornes, Sims and Taylor coming off the bench. Gadsden stays in at PG when Toews exits.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
No O’Connell?
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
I’m just glad to see chatter on this board. I think everyone is being generally constructive with comments. It’s a message board and opinions are welcome. I’ve seen Mullet dog Brownell, TJ Carter, Keatts (list goes on and on) on here so he must really like this CB dude. Personally, I enjoyed his pessimistic contributions so don’t take it the wrong way.

I watched most of the last three games. Nothing much more I can say that hasn’t been said but home loses like this are not a good sign. But we’re 2-2 in the CAA with some really nasty OOC performances. No ones comments on this board are going to impact the results on the court. Don’t let Mullet and others guilt trip you. The staff and team control their own destiny. At this point Jimmy would probably be happy people still care enough to rant on here.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't know what you guys think a coach can do from the sidelines to stop a guy from making shots. The blame game is just a lame approach to something that can just flat out happen to great players,teams,programs. The sky is not falling here and CB is getting some good young talent to commit here. Not making excuses for losing but to throw the guy under the bus is just stupid. He came into a very tough spot with no incoming class,best offensive player leaves with Keatts and the expectation to win right now. Take a step back and try to see the big picture,it does the program no good to trash CB after every loss. Give the dude a real chance and if after 3 seasons he is not getting it done then it might be time to have that talk. I think he gets it done and they start turning it around. 2-2 at this point is not great but certainly nothing to jump off the bridge about either.

Nothing. That's what you do. Nothing. You hope he quits htting wide open three pointers and hits just 9 instead of 14. If he only hits nine, he breaks the all time record at Delaware, but only by one. If he hits 14, it's probably a record which will never be broken. So, I like what we did.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-12-2019 07:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't know what you guys think a coach can do from the sidelines to stop a guy from making shots. The blame game is just a lame approach to something that can just flat out happen to great players,teams,programs. The sky is not falling here and CB is getting some good young talent to commit here. Not making excuses for losing but to throw the guy under the bus is just stupid. He came into a very tough spot with no incoming class,best offensive player leaves with Keatts and the expectation to win right now. Take a step back and try to see the big picture,it does the program no good to trash CB after every loss. Give the dude a real chance and if after 3 seasons he is not getting it done then it might be time to have that talk. I think he gets it done and they start turning it around. 2-2 at this point is not great but certainly nothing to jump off the bridge about either.

Nothing. That's what you do. Nothing. You hope he quits htting wide open three pointers and hits just 9 instead of 14. If he only hits nine, he breaks the all time record at Delaware, but only by one. If he hits 14, it's probably a record which will never be broken. So, I like what we did.
An excellent example of satire and of course still bitter.
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RE: Delaware (Thursday, Jan 10, 7 PM)
(01-12-2019 10:09 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 07:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't know what you guys think a coach can do from the sidelines to stop a guy from making shots. The blame game is just a lame approach to something that can just flat out happen to great players,teams,programs. The sky is not falling here and CB is getting some good young talent to commit here. Not making excuses for losing but to throw the guy under the bus is just stupid. He came into a very tough spot with no incoming class,best offensive player leaves with Keatts and the expectation to win right now. Take a step back and try to see the big picture,it does the program no good to trash CB after every loss. Give the dude a real chance and if after 3 seasons he is not getting it done then it might be time to have that talk. I think he gets it done and they start turning it around. 2-2 at this point is not great but certainly nothing to jump off the bridge about either.

Nothing. That's what you do. Nothing. You hope he quits htting wide open three pointers and hits just 9 instead of 14. If he only hits nine, he breaks the all time record at Delaware, but only by one. If he hits 14, it's probably a record which will never be broken. So, I like what we did.
An excellent example of satire and of course still bitter.
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