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(01-10-2019 03:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:06 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  am not going any further with this nonsense. if you can't understand the white privilege this person's thoughts are based in then i can't help you. it is very blatant and exceedingly predominant in his views and in his words.

i'll be straight i'm not going to apologize for anything i've said. nothing i said is wrong or untrue. i stated this a while back...this person right here is the reason i stayed off this board. this type of thinking that as players we are a commodity and not actual human beings with goals aspirations, and souls. we are nothing more than pieces on a chessboard that people like ourland brag to their friends about supporting with their money, and because they do they, like the chess pieces, feel they own us and can control us. the person simply stated what many people think but are afraid to say.

be blessed and happy new year to all

this whole post has run me hot and has truly hit a nerve with me. i will end by saying that these young men have feelings, dreams, and free will. always remember that when you speak on what you feel they should do and not do.

nightowl24 - worth noting that >90% of the people who have posted seem much closer to your view on the subject of grad transfers (or transfers in general) then Ourland. So please don't feel driven away again by 1 person. I completely agree with you regarding Abercrumbia's transfer. The only transfers I don't like are the guys who came to Rice never intending to graduate, but just hoping to use Rice as a springboard to a better athletic program/team. Can't usually identify these guys from the outside, but I feel like that type of player was just taking a very expensive and worthwhile scholarship who went to someone who actually wanted to be a part of the Rice community. Some guys come here legitimately believing Rice is the best choice for them, and then change their minds and transfer. I can respect that, even if it annoys or disappoints me as a fan.

I don't like the grad transfers, but I understand them and harbor no ill-will towards the players taking advantage of that situation.

They played/worked for the university for 3 to 4 years, got a degree (which is what the athletic scholarship is meant to be used for), and then decided to try something else. It sometimes means we can lose good players, but it's part of the game and you can't fault these players at the least for doing what they think is best for them.

We can hold complex feelings where we're sad that the players are leaving, but can celebrate their accomplishments while here and root for their success in the future.
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He was recruited by Bailiff not Bloom. Thus not surprising.
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(01-09-2019 02:23 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  Any word on Wilkins? We can lose one DT, losing 2 good 5th year interior line defenders is just brutal for Rice. What is usually a weakness (DT) was going to be a strength.

Transferring: https://twitter.com/RoeWilkins/status/10...7423256576
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(01-13-2019 09:02 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  https://oregonstate.rivals.com/news/rice...blowing-up

Not a bad list of suitors, to say the least. Best of luck to him
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(01-08-2019 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Wade Townsend is the Rice athletics version of John McAffee. Perhaps more toxic.

That is a description that has eluded me, but I couldn't think of a more apropriate analogy. I remain a fan of your posts.

(01-09-2019 10:15 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:09 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I blame the NCAA, the power conferences, and especially Rice. I blame a pathetic fan base that doesn't do its part to build exciting game day environments for these athletes.
I can tell you right now, with certainty, that Zach will not enroll at any university that doesn't have a winning program in a P5 conference. Why? Because he wants to be seen on television by as many scouts as possible. It has nothing to do with a graduate degree.
I hope Zach reads this board. I want him to know how disgusted I am at his leaving. You're no team captain. You're selfish and your letting your teammates down. All these other dolts are okay with it, but not me.
and who are you? what have you done for this school? have you played a down of football for this school? have you been in his shoes? yeah he's upping his chances. yeah he is trying to get drafted as high as he possibly can, so what? he graduated he fulfilled his part of the deal. you make absolutely no sense what so ever. so he shouldn't do the best he can for himself within the rules?
again who are you to judge him so harshly?

I'll add that if he does read the board, I greatly appreciate his efforts on the field, and am proud of him for getting his Rice degree. He has done everything we ask of our student athletes and has been a great representative of Rice University and the football team.
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(01-10-2019 04:49 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 03:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  nightowl24 - worth noting that >90% of the people who have posted seem much closer to your view on the subject of grad transfers (or transfers in general) then Ourland.
That is true regarding those who have posted.
But, I'd be willing to bet that there are many who disagree with nightowl24, but won't post because they do not wish to risk being slandered simply because they have a different point of view.

Knowing when to speak out and when to shut up are signs of maturity, and they are to be congratulated in this case for choosing the latter in this case. I suspect that good old decency and discretion are more at play for those that make that choice.

I will note that fear of being slandered on an anonymous bbs is honestly a pretty pathetic excuse in this day and age.
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(01-14-2019 09:03 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 04:49 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 03:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  nightowl24 - worth noting that >90% of the people who have posted seem much closer to your view on the subject of grad transfers (or transfers in general) then Ourland.
That is true regarding those who have posted.
But, I'd be willing to bet that there are many who disagree with nightowl24, but won't post because they do not wish to risk being slandered simply because they have a different point of view.

Knowing when to speak out and when to shut up are signs of maturity, and they are to be congratulated in this case for choosing the latter in this case. I suspect that good old decency and discretion are more at play for those that make that choice.

I will note that fear of being slandered on an anonymous bbs is honestly a pretty pathetic excuse in this day and age.


This is no anonymous bbs for me. this is the Rice forum, where I talk about rice things with my Rice friends and frenemies. It cannot be replaced. I try to be careful here, as i don't want to lose this place. It is irreplaceable.
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(01-14-2019 09:03 AM)I45owl Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 04:49 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 03:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  nightowl24 - worth noting that >90% of the people who have posted seem much closer to your view on the subject of grad transfers (or transfers in general) then Ourland.
That is true regarding those who have posted.
But, I'd be willing to bet that there are many who disagree with nightowl24, but won't post because they do not wish to risk being slandered simply because they have a different point of view.

Knowing when to speak out and when to shut up are signs of maturity, and they are to be congratulated in this case for choosing the latter in this case. I suspect that good old decency and discretion are more at play for those that make that choice.

I will note that fear of being slandered on an anonymous bbs is honestly a pretty pathetic excuse in this day and age.

Not everyone on The Parliament is anonymous.
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Lot of noise here on this thread but the core issue is why do you redshirt a smart kid in first place? You know as the coach that the probability of a kid graduating while still having eligibility is high at a school like Rice.

DB had a philosophy of letting true Frosh get an extra year of physical seasoning, learn the system, etc. OK and rational approach if you are at Texas St. but not at Rice.

Unintended consequence of that philosophy is now a long list of kids who served Rice well but need to manage their lives/futures and that means Rice FB does not get their most productive FB year.

Hope Bloom continues to play as many True Frosh as possible. That is the solution. Blaming the player for being the problem is wrong.
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(01-14-2019 02:32 PM)owl40 Wrote:  Lot of noise here on this thread but the core issue is why do you redshirt a smart kid in first place? You know as the coach that the probability of a kid graduating while still having eligibility is high at a school like Rice.

DB had a philosophy of letting true Frosh get an extra year of physical seasoning, learn the system, etc. OK and rational approach if you are at Texas St. but not at Rice.

Unintended consequence of that philosophy is now a long list of kids who served Rice well but need to manage their lives/futures and that means Rice FB does not get their most productive FB year.

Hope Bloom continues to play as many True Frosh as possible. That is the solution. Blaming the player for being the problem is wrong.

Given the new redshirt rule, he will have to play them a lot.
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OT - SMU starting QB Ben Hicks is graduate transferring to Arkansas, to play for his former coach Chad Morris.
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(01-14-2019 04:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 02:32 PM)owl40 Wrote:  Lot of noise here on this thread but the core issue is why do you redshirt a smart kid in first place? You know as the coach that the probability of a kid graduating while still having eligibility is high at a school like Rice.

DB had a philosophy of letting true Frosh get an extra year of physical seasoning, learn the system, etc. OK and rational approach if you are at Texas St. but not at Rice.

Unintended consequence of that philosophy is now a long list of kids who served Rice well but need to manage their lives/futures and that means Rice FB does not get their most productive FB year.

Hope Bloom continues to play as many True Frosh as possible. That is the solution. Blaming the player for being the problem is wrong.

Given the new redshirt rule, he will have to play them a lot.
Unfortunately, Rice better get used to players transferring to more positive programs. This staff treats these athletes like garbage. Many of the players are ready to leave when they get a chance. You will see more losses coming soon and i don't mean just the Baliff recruits. I thought Bloom was the answer early on with the energy he was bringing to the program but his true colors came out around game 4 this year. The program is not in a good place. Bloom told the kids early in the season he would sign all their transfer papers if they wanted to leave.. Now he is mad that they did just what he asked them to do. I am happy to see them moving to better situations. Bloom better change the atmosphere or they will continue to leave coaches they don't trust.
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(01-27-2019 11:53 PM)Nocturnal Wrote:  Unfortunately, Rice better get used to players transferring to more positive programs. This staff treats these athletes like garbage. Many of the players are ready to leave when they get a chance. You will see more losses coming soon and i don't mean just the Baliff recruits. I thought Bloom was the answer early on with the energy he was bringing to the program but his true colors came out around game 4 this year. The program is not in a good place. Bloom told the kids early in the season he would sign all their transfer papers if they wanted to leave.. Now he is mad that they did just what he asked them to do. I am happy to see them moving to better situations. Bloom better change the atmosphere or they will continue to leave coaches they don't trust.

Can you elaborate?
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(01-27-2019 11:53 PM)Nocturnal Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 04:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 02:32 PM)owl40 Wrote:  Lot of noise here on this thread but the core issue is why do you redshirt a smart kid in first place? You know as the coach that the probability of a kid graduating while still having eligibility is high at a school like Rice.

DB had a philosophy of letting true Frosh get an extra year of physical seasoning, learn the system, etc. OK and rational approach if you are at Texas St. but not at Rice.

Unintended consequence of that philosophy is now a long list of kids who served Rice well but need to manage their lives/futures and that means Rice FB does not get their most productive FB year.

Hope Bloom continues to play as many True Frosh as possible. That is the solution. Blaming the player for being the problem is wrong.

Given the new redshirt rule, he will have to play them a lot.
Unfortunately, Rice better get used to players transferring to more positive programs. This staff treats these athletes like garbage. Many of the players are ready to leave when they get a chance. You will see more losses coming soon and i don't mean just the Baliff recruits. I thought Bloom was the answer early on with the energy he was bringing to the program but his true colors came out around game 4 this year. The program is not in a good place. Bloom told the kids early in the season he would sign all their transfer papers if they wanted to leave.. Now he is mad that they did just what he asked them to do. I am happy to see them moving to better situations. Bloom better change the atmosphere or they will continue to leave coaches they don't trust.

Well coaches really have no choice but to sign “transfer papers” these days.

I think Bloomgren was genuinely surprised by the lack of talent on the Rice roster when he arrived. Sure, there were 5-10 good players, but absolutely zero depth.

I don’t doubt that there’s some degree of discontent in the locker room right now, but you say that you expect some Bloom recruits to leave. If they were to leave, wouldn’t they have transferred before spring semester? If you’re unhappy, it literally makes no sense to wait around... Start working at the school you want to be at... I’m sure guys like Calderon, Montero, etc would have plenty of transfer opportunities if they want them.
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(01-28-2019 01:30 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(01-27-2019 11:53 PM)Nocturnal Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 04:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 02:32 PM)owl40 Wrote:  Lot of noise here on this thread but the core issue is why do you redshirt a smart kid in first place? You know as the coach that the probability of a kid graduating while still having eligibility is high at a school like Rice.

DB had a philosophy of letting true Frosh get an extra year of physical seasoning, learn the system, etc. OK and rational approach if you are at Texas St. but not at Rice.

Unintended consequence of that philosophy is now a long list of kids who served Rice well but need to manage their lives/futures and that means Rice FB does not get their most productive FB year.

Hope Bloom continues to play as many True Frosh as possible. That is the solution. Blaming the player for being the problem is wrong.

Given the new redshirt rule, he will have to play them a lot.
Unfortunately, Rice better get used to players transferring to more positive programs. This staff treats these athletes like garbage. Many of the players are ready to leave when they get a chance. You will see more losses coming soon and i don't mean just the Baliff recruits. I thought Bloom was the answer early on with the energy he was bringing to the program but his true colors came out around game 4 this year. The program is not in a good place. Bloom told the kids early in the season he would sign all their transfer papers if they wanted to leave.. Now he is mad that they did just what he asked them to do. I am happy to see them moving to better situations. Bloom better change the atmosphere or they will continue to leave coaches they don't trust.

Well coaches really have no choice but to sign “transfer papers” these days.

I think Bloomgren was genuinely surprised by the lack of talent on the Rice roster when he arrived. Sure, there were 5-10 good players, but absolutely zero depth.

I don’t doubt that there’s some degree of discontent in the locker room right now, but you say that you expect some Bloom recruits to leave. If they were to leave, wouldn’t they have transferred before spring semester? If you’re unhappy, it literally makes no sense to wait around... Start working at the school you want to be at... I’m sure guys like Calderon, Montero, etc would have plenty of transfer opportunities if they want them.

I prefer not to give too much detail since i don't want it tracked back to any players. I didn't say Bloom's recruits are wanting to transfer per se... Some may want to but some are talking about quitting. Those that can leave will leave. They are bullied by the staff and told that are fat pieces of sh_t and don't deserve their scholarships. Staff talks about other players when they aren't around to defend themselves. They have absolutely zero fun it's all about being punished in the off season if times aren't met. If everyone makes the times then the times get lowered so there will be punishment. Players are so worried about workouts and the punishment they can't focus on their studies. Someone needs to look into the program. The new tuition policy coming in the fall is making some players rethink the benefits of football.
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(01-28-2019 12:44 PM)Nocturnal Wrote:  I prefer not to give too much detail since i don't want it tracked back to any players. I didn't say Bloom's recruits are wanting to transfer per se... Some may want to but some are talking about quitting. Those that can leave will leave. They are bullied by the staff and told that are fat pieces of sh_t and don't deserve their scholarships. Staff talks about other players when they aren't around to defend themselves. They have absolutely zero fun it's all about being punished in the off season if times aren't met. If everyone makes the times then the times get lowered so there will be punishment. Players are so worried about workouts and the punishment they can't focus on their studies. Someone needs to look into the program. The new tuition policy coming in the fall is making some players rethink the benefits of football.

There is always dissension when a new coaching staff comes in, particularly when the new staff replaces what has been called the country club approach under Bailiff to more demanding routine. See Paul Bryant's Junction Boys at aTm for perhaps the extreme example. You can't do Junction Boys in today's world. You'd get hammered for it from so many different angles. Plus two-platoon football requires a lot more depth than in those one-platoon days.

What would be worth knowing is whether this is really widespread to an unusual degree or is simply a bunch of bellyaching about what's normal. The last regime appeared to set a pretty low bar. Having to perform to a higher level may look pretty demanding by comparison. I'm concerned about the "bullying" and cursing and talking about players behind their backs. Those things are not acceptable.

Bryant's approach was strength and conditioning in the off-season, beat the crap out of each other in spring training, run your butts off in two-a-days, and then taper off and spend most of the in-season practices in shorts and sweats. I repeat that not because I worship at the altar of Bryant, but because I think that approach makes a lot of sense. He'd have people quit in the spring or during 2-a-days, then want back in the fall after they found out how easy it was then.
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(01-28-2019 12:44 PM)Nocturnal Wrote:  I prefer not to give too much detail since i don't want it tracked back to any players. I didn't say Bloom's recruits are wanting to transfer per se... Some may want to but some are talking about quitting. Those that can leave will leave. They are bullied by the staff and told that are fat pieces of sh_t and don't deserve their scholarships. Staff talks about other players when they aren't around to defend themselves. They have absolutely zero fun it's all about being punished in the off season if times aren't met. If everyone makes the times then the times get lowered so there will be punishment. Players are so worried about workouts and the punishment they can't focus on their studies. Someone needs to look into the program.

Thanks for the detail. And of course, definitely don't want specifics told in confidence to be shared.

Part of me wonders if this is a reaction to the correction from the last regime. The feeling I got from watching the last regime was a laissez faire attitude where mistakes were tolerated; by comparison, the normal would seem downright brutal. A guy who is used to getting to start the next game after 3 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in a game and a half might feel upset or slighted or demeaned by (IMO, rightfully) being made to run laps and ride the pine. This is speculation based on watching some of the dynamics and some practices (early on).

Behavior like calling people fat pieces of sh*t etc. is certainly unacceptable.

(01-28-2019 12:44 PM)Nocturnal Wrote:  The new tuition policy coming in the fall is making some players rethink the benefits of football.

This might be a widespread thing. Why bother beating yourself up daily in the worst league in the country against a bunch of directional nobodies in front on no one when you can... not?
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(01-28-2019 01:49 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-28-2019 12:44 PM)Nocturnal Wrote:  I prefer not to give too much detail since i don't want it tracked back to any players. I didn't say Bloom's recruits are wanting to transfer per se... Some may want to but some are talking about quitting. Those that can leave will leave. They are bullied by the staff and told that are fat pieces of sh_t and don't deserve their scholarships. Staff talks about other players when they aren't around to defend themselves. They have absolutely zero fun it's all about being punished in the off season if times aren't met. If everyone makes the times then the times get lowered so there will be punishment. Players are so worried about workouts and the punishment they can't focus on their studies. Someone needs to look into the program.

Thanks for the detail. And of course, definitely don't want specifics told in confidence to be shared.

Part of me wonders if this is a reaction to the correction from the last regime. The feeling I got from watching the last regime was a laissez faire attitude where mistakes were tolerated; by comparison, the normal would seem downright brutal. A guy who is used to getting to start the next game after 3 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in a game and a half might feel upset or slighted or demeaned by (IMO, rightfully) being made to run laps and ride the pine. This is speculation based on watching some of the dynamics and some practices (early on).

Behavior like calling people fat pieces of sh*t etc. is certainly unacceptable.

I agree it would be unacceptable . . . if it happened. However, we have no idea if these words were actually said, or if -- as seems far more likely to me -- this is either a sensationalist paraphrase by the poster or a typically millennial hyperbolization of criticism by the player(s), e.g., "clean your room" invariably becomes "dad yelled at me" in my teenage daughter's retelling.

Frankly, if stuff of this nature was actually happening, there likely would be video/audio of it. See: Knight, Bobby; Garrido, Augie; and about a thousand others.
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(01-28-2019 01:49 PM)Antarius Wrote:  A guy who is used to getting to start the next game after 3 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in a game and a half

Did this happen?
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