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(01-09-2019 12:10 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Considering suspension for summer camp for our head coach and AD, losing possibly the #1 player in the draft early in the year, having a closer than it looked game vs. TCU, being given like a 1-2% chance of winning at one point in the 4th quarter vs. Penn State, getting killed by Purdue, being a 2-point conversion away from losing to Maryland, and constant rumors our head coach was going to retire from health issues, I think this Ohio State season was one of the most impressive I've seen from the Buckeyes.

This was far from the best team I've seen from them, but if you told me all that above would happen I'd have guessed this would be 8-4 or 9-3 regular season. To finish 13-1, Big Ten and Rose Bowl champs, and #3 in the country. I'll very gladly take it.

Urban Meyer is a tremendous college football coach.
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(01-10-2019 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 08:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 11:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 11:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 10:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And all 3 teams finished with the exact same number of losses.

Georgia had more wins (11 vs. 10) and also the best losses.

UGA lost to #2 Alabama (neutral) by 7, at #6 LSU by 20 and #9 Texas (neutral) by 7.
Florida lost to #7 UGA (neutral) by 19, #12 Kentucky (home) by 11, unranked Missouri (home) by 21.
LSU lost to #2 Alabama (home) by 29, at #7 Florida by 8, at #16 Texas A&M by 2 in 6 OTs.

but what about best wins outside of each other?
Georgia- #12 Kentucky, #32 Auburn
Florida- #14 Michigan, #28 Mississippi St
LSU- #11 UCF, #28 Mississippi St, #32 Auburn

It's pretty close. It's definitely far from absurd to have LSU at the top.

Yes, we had all predicted that LSU, Georgia, and Florida would be very close, because they all had the same losses but there was a 3-way H2H issue where A beat B who beat C who beat A.

So no use arguing about the final results as they were indeed close. Sounds like a peeved Georgia fan.

No, just a few people who value a bowl game over the whole season and come up with nonsensical results. But you aren't any different from most pollsters. And not terribly different from the CFP which seems to have even more of a recency bias. Its why we need to get away from a system so dependent on individual opinions.

Its not the first time the polls have nonsensical results. Its pretty common and didn't surprise me at all.

LSU, UGA, and UF obviously had very similar seasons so the only nonsensical result would be if there was a big disparity among them. As long as you have them close doesn"t mattet what order they are in. The AP result is defensible.
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(didn't format well-1st column is Georgia, 2nd Florida)
*bowl team (final rank AP poll)
FCSAustin Peay 45 0 FCSCharleston So 53 6
Umass 66 27 Colorado St. 48 10
*Middle TN 49 7 FCSIdaho 63 10
*Georgia Tech 45 21 At FSU 41 14
*Auburn 27 10 *At Miss. St. 13 6
*At Kentucky(12) 34 17 *Kentucky(12) 16 27 L
*At S. Carolina 41 17 *S. Carolina 35 31
Tennessee 38 12 At Tennessee 47 21
*At Missouri 43 29 *Missouri 17 38 L
Vanderbilt 41 13 *At Vanderbilt 37 27
*(N) Florida(7) 36 17 *(N) Georgia(7) 17 36 L
*At LSU(6) 16 36 L *LSU(6) 27 19
*(N) Texas (9) 21 28 L *(N) Michigan(14) 41 15
*(N) Alabama(2) 28 35 L

Georgia 11-3. Florida 10-3
Georgia 10-3 vs. FBS. Florida 8-3
Georgia 7-3 vs. bowl teams. Florida 5-3
Georgia had big wins over #7 (Florida at a neutral site) and #12 on the road among ranked teams.
Florida had close wins over #6 at home, and a bigger win over #14 at a neutral site among ranked teams.
Georgia lost by 7 to #2 and 7 to #9 on neutral sites and 20 to #6 on the road.
Florida lost by 19 to #7 at a neutral site, 11 to #12 at home and 21 to unranked at home.
Common opponents UGA was 6-1. Florida 4-3.

Massey Composite. UGA 5.12. Florida 10.69. Only 3 out of 65 computer polls had Florida rated higher.
Sagarin Strength of schedule-UGA 10. Florida 32. ESPN UGA 8. Florida 37.

So no, the human poll results are not justified.
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(01-10-2019 11:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  FCSAustin Peay 45 0 FCSCharleston So 53 6
Umass 66 27 Colorado St. 48 10
*Middle TN 49 7 FCSIdaho 63 10
*Georgia Tech 45 21 At FSU 41 14
*Auburn 27 10 *At Miss. St. 13 6
*At Kentucky(12) 34 17 *Kentucky(12) 16 27 L
*At S. Carolina 41 17 *S. Carolina 35 31
Tennessee 38 12 At Tennessee 47 21
*At Missouri 43 29 *Missouri 17 38 L
Vanderbilt 41 13 *At Vanderbilt 37 27
*(N) Florida(7) 36 17 *(N) Georgia(7) 17 36 L
*At LSU(6) 16 36 L *LSU(6) 27 19
*(N) Texas (9) 21 28 L *(N) Michigan(14) 41 15
*(N) Alabama(2) 28 35 L

Georgia 11-3. Florida 10-3
Georgia 10-3 vs. FBS. Florida 8-3
Georgia 7-3 vs. bowl teams. Florida 5-3
Georgia had big wins over #7 (Florida at a neutral site) and #12 on the road among ranked teams.
Florida had close wins over #6 at home and #14 at a neutral site among ranked teams.
Georgia lost by 7 to #2 and 7 to #9 on neutral sites and 20 to #6 on the road.
Florida lost by 19 to #7 at a neutral site, 11 to #12 at home and 21 to unranked at home.
Common opponents UGA was 6-1. Florida 4-3.

Massey Composite. UGA 5.12. Florida 10.69. Only 3 out of 65 computer polls had Florida rated higher.
Sagarin Strength of schedule-UGA 10. Florida 32. ESPN UGA 8. Florida 37.

So no, the human poll results are not justified.
But it's not just Georgia vs Florida for the billionth time. LSU is in there and Florida beat them and Georgia got killed by them. That changes the math, no matter how much you dislike that fact....
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Also I would hardly call a win by 26 points as a close win..... Florida absolutely boat raced Michigan, and you damn well know it.
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(01-10-2019 09:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 08:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 11:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 11:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 10:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And all 3 teams finished with the exact same number of losses.

Georgia had more wins (11 vs. 10) and also the best losses.

UGA lost to #2 Alabama (neutral) by 7, at #6 LSU by 20 and #9 Texas (neutral) by 7.
Florida lost to #7 UGA (neutral) by 19, #12 Kentucky (home) by 11, unranked Missouri (home) by 21.
LSU lost to #2 Alabama (home) by 29, at #7 Florida by 8, at #16 Texas A&M by 2 in 6 OTs.

but what about best wins outside of each other?
Georgia- #12 Kentucky, #32 Auburn
Florida- #14 Michigan, #28 Mississippi St
LSU- #11 UCF, #28 Mississippi St, #32 Auburn

It's pretty close. It's definitely far from absurd to have LSU at the top.

Yes, we had all predicted that LSU, Georgia, and Florida would be very close, because they all had the same losses but there was a 3-way H2H issue where A beat B who beat C who beat A.

So no use arguing about the final results as they were indeed close. Sounds like a peeved Georgia fan.

No, it's a peeved Texas fan who wants to stick out his chest and say we beat the #5 team in the country....
Now that comment is even more idiotic than the polls. UGA and Florida are tied for #7. So either Texas beat #7 or beat a team tied for #7. I haven't argued LSU being ranked ahead of Georgia. I think Georgia is a better team, but that one is very close and LSU won decisively.

If you watched these teams a lot, Georgia and LSU are both much more talented than Florida. Neither Georgia nor LSU got manhandled by a Kentucky or Missouri.
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And I stated on this board before the bowls that I thought Florida and Michigan were the two most overrated teams in the country. Probably said it more than once.
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(01-11-2019 03:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
it'd be interesting to see if this was independent of the UCF G5 spot.

SBC ahead of CUSA. wow. don't know that I saw that coming.
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(01-10-2019 11:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  FCSAustin Peay 45 0 FCSCharleston So 53 6
Umass 66 27 Colorado St. 48 10
*Middle TN 49 7 FCSIdaho 63 10
*Georgia Tech 45 21 At FSU 41 14
*Auburn 27 10 *At Miss. St. 13 6
*At Kentucky(12) 34 17 *Kentucky(12) 16 27 L
*At S. Carolina 41 17 *S. Carolina 35 31
Tennessee 38 12 At Tennessee 47 21
*At Missouri 43 29 *Missouri 17 38 L
Vanderbilt 41 13 *At Vanderbilt 37 27
*(N) Florida(7) 36 17 *(N) Georgia(7) 17 36 L
*At LSU(6) 16 36 L *LSU(6) 27 19
*(N) Texas (9) 21 28 L *(N) Michigan(14) 41 15
*(N) Alabama(2) 28 35 L

Georgia 11-3. Florida 10-3
Georgia 10-3 vs. FBS. Florida 8-3
Georgia 7-3 vs. bowl teams. Florida 5-3
Georgia had big wins over #7 (Florida at a neutral site) and #12 on the road among ranked teams.
Florida had close wins over #6 at home and #14 at a neutral site among ranked teams.
Georgia lost by 7 to #2 and 7 to #9 on neutral sites and 20 to #6 on the road.
Florida lost by 19 to #7 at a neutral site, 11 to #12 at home and 21 to unranked at home.
Common opponents UGA was 6-1. Florida 4-3.

Massey Composite. UGA 5.12. Florida 10.69. Only 3 out of 65 computer polls had Florida rated higher.
Sagarin Strength of schedule-UGA 10. Florida 32. ESPN UGA 8. Florida 37.

So no, the human poll results are not justified.
But it's not just Georgia vs Florida for the billionth time. LSU is in there and Florida beat them and Georgia got killed by them. That changes the math, no matter how much you dislike that fact....

Again, expand your mind to consider more than 2 games in a 13-14 game season.
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(01-10-2019 11:10 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Also I would hardly call a win by 26 points as a close win..... Florida absolutely boat raced Michigan, and you damn well know it.

I wasn't referring to that as a close win, although the way I wrote it wasn't clear.
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(01-11-2019 03:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
it'd be interesting to see if this was independent of the UCF G5 spot.

SBC ahead of CUSA. wow. don't know that I saw that coming.

CUSA picked the SBC schools who spent the most on athletics, but did not pick the best football programs at the time. They probably would have taken ULL, Troy and Arkansas St. instead of 3 of the ones they did take (UNT, MTSU, WKU, FIU, FAU) if they were doing that. UNCC, ODU and UTSA were gambles too. The new SBC schools have built up pretty fast. It takes 5 years to roll in a class recruited solely for FBS and that's about how long it took to catch up.

I wouldn't say I expected it, but it is understandable.
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(01-10-2019 10:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:10 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Considering suspension for summer camp for our head coach and AD, losing possibly the #1 player in the draft early in the year, having a closer than it looked game vs. TCU, being given like a 1-2% chance of winning at one point in the 4th quarter vs. Penn State, getting killed by Purdue, being a 2-point conversion away from losing to Maryland, and constant rumors our head coach was going to retire from health issues, I think this Ohio State season was one of the most impressive I've seen from the Buckeyes.

This was far from the best team I've seen from them, but if you told me all that above would happen I'd have guessed this would be 8-4 or 9-3 regular season. To finish 13-1, Big Ten and Rose Bowl champs, and #3 in the country. I'll very gladly take it.

Urban Meyer is a tremendous college football coach.

and a horrible horrible human being. His retirement from coaching is good for the game.
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(01-11-2019 04:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
it'd be interesting to see if this was independent of the UCF G5 spot.

SBC ahead of CUSA. wow. don't know that I saw that coming.

CUSA picked the SBC schools who spent the most on athletics, but did not pick the best football programs at the time. They probably would have taken ULL, Troy and Arkansas St. instead of 3 of the ones they did take (UNT, MTSU, WKU, FIU, FAU) if they were doing that. UNCC, ODU and UTSA were gambles too. The new SBC schools have built up pretty fast. It takes 5 years to roll in a class recruited solely for FBS and that's about how long it took to catch up.

I wouldn't say I expected it, but it is understandable.


MTSU, WKU, ODU and UTSA were good right out of the starting gates in C-USA.
FIU and FAU were 2017 great teams and North Texas 2018. Charlotte are becoming get their act together. They started out unbeaten and fell off in 2018.

UTSA last year lost close games, and ODU got a P5 scalp. I would not say all the schools in C-USA are really terrible except for Charlotte. Starting off in the year against P5 could kill your momentum from last year.
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