(01-07-2019 08:33 PM)Claw Wrote:  Build 500 miles and then see how effective that 500 miles is.

I believe that several hundred miles exist already. A wall is a stupid and simple minded idea. However, barriers can be placed so as to funnel people into areas where they can be swept up by BP.

(01-07-2019 07:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

Does your yard have a fence?


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Yes but I’ve never considered a criminal deterrent. This is my exact point.

(01-07-2019 07:43 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Yall are wasting your time. Give me 3 examples in which a wall does not work is the question you ask.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DLVdi14ECCc

(01-07-2019 08:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 08:33 PM)Claw Wrote:  Build 500 miles and then see how effective that 500 miles is.

I believe that several hundred miles exist already. A wall is a stupid and simple minded idea. However, barriers can be placed so as to funnel people into areas where they can be swept up by BP.

And released because of over crowding. We got it. Build a big ass wall and fewer people will try to come.

(01-07-2019 08:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

Worlds of difference between warfare and border security. Anybody who doesn't see that is either partisan, stupid, or likely both.

Then you’re very simple minded. There’s no difference of will of the determined, as a war vet I know the similarities. Good day

Let me know when illegal immigrants have air strikes and precision artillery dumb***.

We already have physical barriers at certain spots on the border, and they work. Stick with "walls are immoral because reasons" pelosi argument. It's still a loser, but at least it isn't provably wrong.

You alt-leftists are boxed in and I'm loving it.

(01-07-2019 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 08:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

Worlds of difference between warfare and border security. Anybody who doesn't see that is either partisan, stupid, or likely both.

Then you’re very simple minded. There’s no difference of will of the determined, as a war vet I know the similarities. Good day

Let me know when illegal immigrants have air strikes and precision artillery dumb***.

Yes cause that’s what al Qaeda and insurgents do in Iraq right? Talk about something you have one iota of knowledge please. You’re too stupid to understand you’re stupid. If it’s a national security issue, you’d better address it like one.

(01-07-2019 09:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  We already have physical barriers at certain spots on the border, and they work. Stick with "walls are immoral because reasons" pelosi argument. It's still a loser, but at least it isn't provably wrong.

You alt-leftists are boxed in and I'm loving it.

Yeah I’m not a leftist nor an alt leftist bc I believe an actual wall is worthless.

(01-07-2019 09:18 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  We already have physical barriers at certain spots on the border, and they work. Stick with "walls are immoral because reasons" pelosi argument. It's still a loser, but at least it isn't provably wrong.

You alt-leftists are boxed in and I'm loving it.

Yeah I’m not a leftist nor an alt leftist bc I believe an actual wall is worthless.

Well, your opinion is provably wrong.

(01-07-2019 09:17 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 08:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

Worlds of difference between warfare and border security. Anybody who doesn't see that is either partisan, stupid, or likely both.

Then you’re very simple minded. There’s no difference of will of the determined, as a war vet I know the similarities. Good day

Let me know when illegal immigrants have air strikes and precision artillery dumb***.

Yes cause that’s what al Qaeda and insurgents do in Iraq right? Talk about something you have one iota of knowledge please. You’re too stupid to understand you’re stupid. If it’s a national security issue, you’d better address it like one.

OK moron....let me know when they are launching illegals over the border with rockets and mortars or using them to breach the walls already in place in San Diego, El Paso, and elsewhere. You know...the walls that drastically decreased illegal entries already.

And I'm all in favor of treating border security as a national security issue. Put machine gun nests in towers and employ snipers and kill everyone who crosses the border illicitly if they don't immediately surrender.

(01-07-2019 09:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:17 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 08:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Worlds of difference between warfare and border security. Anybody who doesn't see that is either partisan, stupid, or likely both.

Then you’re very simple minded. There’s no difference of will of the determined, as a war vet I know the similarities. Good day

Let me know when illegal immigrants have air strikes and precision artillery dumb***.

Yes cause that’s what al Qaeda and insurgents do in Iraq right? Talk about something you have one iota of knowledge please. You’re too stupid to understand you’re stupid. If it’s a national security issue, you’d better address it like one.

OK moron....let me know when they are launching illegals over the border with rockets and mortars or using them to breach the walls already in place in San Diego, El Paso, and elsewhere. You know...the walls that drastically decreased illegal entries already.

And I'm all in favor of treating border security as a national security issue. Put machine gun nests in towers and employ snipers and kill everyone who crosses the border illicitly if they don't immediately surrender.

Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about and cartels do fire into our country with heavy grade military weapons. They have built sophisticated tunnels with air pumps and electricity. Is it really that far fetched for them to use breaching tools? You know how easy it to construct a bomb right?
Like I originally said, you’d be better off mining the entire thing and saving a ton of money and man power

(01-07-2019 09:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:17 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 08:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Worlds of difference between warfare and border security. Anybody who doesn't see that is either partisan, stupid, or likely both.

Then you’re very simple minded. There’s no difference of will of the determined, as a war vet I know the similarities. Good day

Let me know when illegal immigrants have air strikes and precision artillery dumb***.

Yes cause that’s what al Qaeda and insurgents do in Iraq right? Talk about something you have one iota of knowledge please. You’re too stupid to understand you’re stupid. If it’s a national security issue, you’d better address it like one.

OK moron....let me know when they are launching illegals over the border with rockets and mortars or using them to breach the walls already in place in San Diego, El Paso, and elsewhere. You know...the walls that drastically decreased illegal entries already.

And I'm all in favor of treating border security as a national security issue. Put machine gun nests in towers and employ snipers and kill everyone who crosses the border illicitly if they don't immediately surrender.

This, if that would have been done 40 years ago, there would be no problem today.


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Imagine talking about cartels, heavy machine guns, and bombs, and then in the same breath argue that it’s not a crisis.

Declare it, Mr. President. Bring in the Army Corps of Engineers.

Hungary proves that border walls/fences work

(01-07-2019 09:55 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Hungary proves that border walls/fences work

Go back and reread.

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

Facts to back this up that walls dont work? You and I both know Patton was talking about in a war setting where you had tanks and bombs that could destroy walls and fortifications or cut off their supply lines and wait them out.

Explain how that works with the wall?

Two simple question that you should be able to defend and back up with facts. Not your opinion, no one wants that...just facts

(01-07-2019 10:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

Facts to back this up that walls dont work? You and I both know Patton was talking about in a war setting where you had tanks and bombs that could destroy walls and fortifications or cut off their supply lines and wait them out.

Explain how that works with the wall?

Two simple question that you should be able to defend and back up with facts. Not your opinion, no one wants that...just facts

Go back and reread, but let’s also address your point. Hadrians wall was built by the romans to keep northern barbarians from invading into Roman controlled modern England, guess what it didn’t do.

A wall will not work when there are people on both sides trying to make it ineffective.

(01-07-2019 10:23 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 10:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

Facts to back this up that walls dont work? You and I both know Patton was talking about in a war setting where you had tanks and bombs that could destroy walls and fortifications or cut off their supply lines and wait them out.

Explain how that works with the wall?

Two simple question that you should be able to defend and back up with facts. Not your opinion, no one wants that...just facts

Go back and reread, but let’s also address your point. Hadrians wall was built by the romans to keep northern barbarians from invading into Roman controlled modern England, guess what it didn’t do.

Go back and reread what? I asked questions based off what your opinion was and a quote by Patton. So your answer is it didn't work for the Romans? That's the best you have?

(01-07-2019 10:14 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:55 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Hungary proves that border walls/fences work

Go back and reread.

Didn't see anything about Hungary. I did see someone mention Israel which is another solid example of walls/fences working.

Your only substantive point is that cartels and criminals can find ways around a wall/fence so we shouldn't have any. Basically, you seem to be arguing that even if something is 99% effective or even just somewhat effective, we shouldn't bother with it because someone can defeat it on some level. A completely open border surely isn't the answer.

I prefer the Israeli and Hungary approach, i.e. walls and fencing with a strong border patrol force.