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(01-12-2019 01:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:58 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

I believe that's the law today. Those crossing over illegally are not worried about citizenship. When you have states willing not to ask are you here legally, give out state IDs to them...

so if there's laws in place yet millions still try crossing the border. Why not do something to stop the flow? Walls work and only people that close their eyes and stick their finger in their ears and refuse to see or hear the data....

believe they dont

That’s not the law today. Some do want citizenship and some are awful criminals. If we disincentivize the reason to come here perhaps we can stop the flow even more before it starts. Someone who posted before had some great ideas about legislation for prevention and addressing their incentives.

Show me a law that allows a illegal immigrant become a citizen of the united states other than a child that is born here? Also show me where its legal to get US Government social benefits?

You cant and there's already laws on the books today to deal with those illegal immigrant but some states refuse to enforce them and the federal government cant make them.

walls work...its the only thing that has slowed the numbers without any effort or people interfering . I will wait for the links to the questions I asked
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(01-12-2019 01:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 01:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:58 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

I believe that's the law today. Those crossing over illegally are not worried about citizenship. When you have states willing not to ask are you here legally, give out state IDs to them...

so if there's laws in place yet millions still try crossing the border. Why not do something to stop the flow? Walls work and only people that close their eyes and stick their finger in their ears and refuse to see or hear the data....

believe they dont

That’s not the law today. Some do want citizenship and some are awful criminals. If we disincentivize the reason to come here perhaps we can stop the flow even more before it starts. Someone who posted before had some great ideas about legislation for prevention and addressing their incentives.

Show me a law that allows a illegal immigrant become a citizen of the united states other than a child that is born here? Also show me where its legal to get US Government social benefits?

You cant and there's already laws on the books today to deal with those illegal immigrant but some states refuse to enforce them and the federal government cant make them.

walls work...its the only thing that has slowed the numbers without any effort or people interfering . I will wait for the links to the questions I asked

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Hou...e-Programs

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-...-stay.html

Under cancellation, next just google yourself.
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(01-12-2019 01:46 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
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(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

You totally missed the point. They begin the journey with the hopes of breaking into the country undetected. Very few get in via the asylum route. If they KNOW ahead of time that they can no longer go to that vast open desert area to walk across the border into the USA, but would have to try to scale a very high wall instead, THAT is the deterrent to endure the rest of the hardship. The wall presents not only a huge physical obstacle but a physiological one as well. Not many women are going to successfully scale a significant border wall built specifically to make such a thing difficult.

Sure, they can still come and wait for a year or more in Tijuana till their name is called to present their case for asylum, at which point it will most likely be denied and they will then either remain in Mexico or return to their homeland.

I didn’t miss the point. You underestimate the human will. This woman was 9 months pregnant and jumped the fence to give birth.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/honduran-woma...-mile-trip

And this is another glaring example WHY we need INCREASED border security.

People are coming here SPECIFICALLY to have babies.

I know Arabs whose family members come here to give birth and go right back home. The only reason is so their child will be an American citizen.
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(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 01:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 01:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:58 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

I believe that's the law today. Those crossing over illegally are not worried about citizenship. When you have states willing not to ask are you here legally, give out state IDs to them...

so if there's laws in place yet millions still try crossing the border. Why not do something to stop the flow? Walls work and only people that close their eyes and stick their finger in their ears and refuse to see or hear the data....

believe they dont

That’s not the law today. Some do want citizenship and some are awful criminals. If we disincentivize the reason to come here perhaps we can stop the flow even more before it starts. Someone who posted before had some great ideas about legislation for prevention and addressing their incentives.

Show me a law that allows a illegal immigrant become a citizen of the united states other than a child that is born here? Also show me where its legal to get US Government social benefits?

You cant and there's already laws on the books today to deal with those illegal immigrant but some states refuse to enforce them and the federal government cant make them.

walls work...its the only thing that has slowed the numbers without any effort or people interfering . I will wait for the links to the questions I asked

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Hou...e-Programs

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-...-stay.html

Under cancellation, next just google yourself.

You can find an article on Google to say anything you want even if it is an extremely stupid stance to take. There are nuts all over the place. I hear there are even some crazies that are pushing Socialist policies for this country to undertake.

I'm sure you must be a strong proponent of getting the wall because you can surely find hundreds of articles via Google in support of it, right?
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(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
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(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.


What you suggest is a decent start, what else you got in mind? How do you deal with the sex traffickers, drug dealers and coyotes?


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(01-12-2019 07:29 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.


What you suggest is a decent start, what else you got in mind? How do you deal with the sex traffickers, drug dealers and coyotes?


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Interesting question. I’m not sure perhaps better extradition cooperation. A majority of drugs come through legal ports of entry. I actually heard on the news the other day that the DEA can only act of 1/4 of drugs shipments they have intel on bc of resources or lack thereof. Punishing those that hire illegal immigrants is also a good idea. Someone earlier mentioned how Az will take a person’s business license after a 2nd infraction.

I’m no expert but I think we could make some preliminary fixes at least before we attempt a wall.
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I'm still waiting on all the examples of the cartels & illegals using weapons of warfare to penetrate the border barriers we have now.
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(01-12-2019 09:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 07:29 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.


What you suggest is a decent start, what else you got in mind? How do you deal with the sex traffickers, drug dealers and coyotes?


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Interesting question. I’m not sure perhaps better extradition cooperation. A majority of drugs come through legal ports of entry. I actually heard on the news the other day that the DEA can only act of 1/4 of drugs shipments they have intel on bc of resources or lack thereof. Punishing those that hire illegal immigrants is also a good idea. Someone earlier mentioned how Az will take a person’s business license after a 2nd infraction.

I’m no expert but I think we could make some preliminary fixes at least before we attempt a wall.

That statement (and I have heard it before on the news myself) makes not sense. I believe it was some talking head for the Democrats that was pushing that in order to lessen the need for a barrier across the vast southern border.

How would "they" have any idea how much illegal drug trafficking is taking place in the huge territory between the legal entry points if they are not there to stop it?

We constantly hear from the left that a wall won't have much effect in stopping the flood of illegal drugs coming into the country because the cartels dig tunnels under the wall to bring in the drugs. Well, if they have that surefire way of getting across the border then why would they ever drive up to a legal border crossing to risk a drug sniffing dog or a keen eyed agent catching (for example) catching them?
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(01-12-2019 09:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 07:29 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.


What you suggest is a decent start, what else you got in mind? How do you deal with the sex traffickers, drug dealers and coyotes?


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Interesting question. I’m not sure perhaps better extradition cooperation. A majority of drugs come through legal ports of entry. I actually heard on the news the other day that the DEA can only act of 1/4 of drugs shipments they have intel on bc of resources or lack thereof. Punishing those that hire illegal immigrants is also a good idea. Someone earlier mentioned how Az will take a person’s business license after a 2nd infraction.

I’m no expert but I think we could make some preliminary fixes at least before we attempt a wall.

And that's the problem. Illegal immigration has been a problem for years now, if not decades. Neither political party has done anything to address.

What we have seen, however, is the willingness for politicians, state and federal, to disregard our laws.

Think about it. The very idea that an agency would even suggest ignoring, and thus violating, the law is incredibly disturbing.

Neither you nor I can do that. If we violate a law we will be punished be it fines or imprisonment.

And so here we are. We have a president who understands that we can no longer allow those who swore oaths to protect America to continue to harm her.

He demands we build a wall.

I hope he does not sway from his resolve.
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(01-12-2019 10:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm still waiting on all the examples of the cartels & illegals using weapons of warfare to penetrate the border barriers we have now.

Type it into google then
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(01-12-2019 10:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm still waiting on all the examples of the cartels & illegals using weapons of warfare to penetrate the border barriers we have now.

Type it into google then

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(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
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(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

Ummm...sounds like she got caught to me. Wouldnt that mean the wall worked? Basically the 97% effective number is probably fairly accurate. Im guessing only about 3 out of every 100 migrating moms are going to be this careless with their kids.
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(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
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(01-12-2019 01:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:58 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

I believe that's the law today. Those crossing over illegally are not worried about citizenship. When you have states willing not to ask are you here legally, give out state IDs to them...

so if there's laws in place yet millions still try crossing the border. Why not do something to stop the flow? Walls work and only people that close their eyes and stick their finger in their ears and refuse to see or hear the data....

believe they dont

That’s not the law today. Some do want citizenship and some are awful criminals. If we disincentivize the reason to come here perhaps we can stop the flow even more before it starts. Someone who posted before had some great ideas about legislation for prevention and addressing their incentives.

Show me a law that allows a illegal immigrant become a citizen of the united states other than a child that is born here? Also show me where its legal to get US Government social benefits?

You cant and there's already laws on the books today to deal with those illegal immigrant but some states refuse to enforce them and the federal government cant make them.

walls work...its the only thing that has slowed the numbers without any effort or people interfering . I will wait for the links to the questions I asked

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Hou...e-Programs

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-...-stay.html

Under cancellation, next just google yourself.

I asked you st show me laws where its legal for illegal immigrant to get welfare or become citizen of the united states. That wasn't what I asked for...

that was basically what I said, that some states dont care about laws they do as they want. I have no doubt in my mind that illegal immigrants are sucking at the government tit. But it's also against federal law for them to get welfare from federal dollars.

So why would more laws on the same issue work? The link you showed was all immigrants and not just the illegal ones. It also included free lunch and things like that. In some cities and states they refuse to enforce federal laws. So how do you expect the laws to work?

Again the only thing that has shown to actually address the problem as it was suppose to do....

A Wall, it addresses the flow coming in. Do that then work on stronger laws that can't be bypassed like the below do...
California
Colorado
Illinois
Massachusetts
New Mexico
Oregon
Vermont

A wall doesn't care if you are black, brown, yellow or white. It doesn't care if you are poor or rich. It doesn't care if you are male, female, young or old. A wall doesn't care who's in the White House or in control of Congress. It's going to do what it's intended purpose was. It's not going to be perfect but its been shown to be close to it. Helluva lot better than laws that are chosen to be enforced or not by which party is in control.
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RE: The Wall won’t work
(01-13-2019 02:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

Ummm...sounds like she got caught to me. Wouldnt that mean the wall worked? Basically the 97% effective number is probably fairly accurate. Im guessing only about 3 out of every 100 migrating moms are going to be this careless with their kids.

If that were part of the wall’s job to impale then yes, but it was rebar from construction equipment that caught her.
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RE: The Wall won’t work
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(01-12-2019 10:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm still waiting on all the examples of the cartels & illegals using weapons of warfare to penetrate the border barriers we have now.

Type it into google then

That's not how this message board works Sparky. You must defend your position per the AUP. Get to defending *****.

Here’s some using a carjack to breach it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc-kv7nzaU
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RE: The Wall won’t work
Let's say a wall is 97% effective. That's probably a pretty reasonable estimate. Does that eliminate the problem? Hell no, nothing will eliminate it. Does it reduce the problem substantially? Hell yes.

One of the really interesting things to me is how wall opponents like to tout the reduction in numbers of illegal immigrants in recent years. How much of that is attributable to construction of about 700 miles of walls along the border?

I don't like putting all of our eggs in the wall basket. But I also want to see some kind of rational and logical immigration policy. And democrats don't seem to want that. Yes, they say they are opposed to illegal immigration. But they then oppose every measure to reduce it. So I judge by their acts, not their words.
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RE: The Wall won’t work
(01-13-2019 11:36 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 12:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:15 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 10:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm still waiting on all the examples of the cartels & illegals using weapons of warfare to penetrate the border barriers we have now.

Type it into google then

That's not how this message board works Sparky. You must defend your position per the AUP. Get to defending *****.

Here’s some using a carjack to breach it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc-kv7nzaU

Which is another reason why I prefer the concrete wall concept.
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https://www.cato.org/publications/commen...-wont-work

A wall would probably be less easily damaged by man or nature. But in at least some areas, its impassibility could also become a maintenance liability. Border Patrol agents have told Fox News that a border wall would still “have to allow water to pass through, or the sheer force of raging water could damage its integrity, not to mention the legal rights of both the U.S. and Mexico to seasonal rains.” In 2011, for example, a flood in Arizona washed away 40 feet of steel fence


Much of the current fencing can be easily mounted with a ladder or from the roof of a truck. In some cases, border crossers can scale the fence without any additional equipment. One viral video from 2010 shows two women easily climbing an 18-foot steel bollard-style pedestrian fence in less than 20 seconds. Smugglers can even drive over the fence using ramps, a fact that was discovered only when a couple of foolish drug entrepreneurs managed to get their SUV stuck on top. (They took the dope and split.)

Fences or walls obstruct crossers’ paths, cutting off a straight shot into the interior of the country. But a barrier is not the permanent object that some people imagine. Natural events can knock down parts of a border fence. One storm in Texas left a hole for months. Fences and walls can also erode near rivers or beaches, as the one in San Diego did. And they can be penetrated: Some fencing can be cut in minutes, and the Border Patrol reported repairing more than 4,000 holes in one year alone. They neglected to mention whether that number equaled that year’s number of breaches.

If not over or through, some crossers may opt to go under. Tunnels are typically used more for drug smuggling, but they still create a significant vulnerability in any kind of physical barrier. From 2007 to 2010, the Border Patrol found more than one tunnel per month, on average. “For every tunnel we find, we feel they’re building another one somewhere,” Kevin Hecht, a Border Patrol tunnel expert, told The New York Times last year. A wall would likely increase the rewards for successful tunneling as other modes of transit grow more expensive.
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RE: The Wall won’t work
(01-13-2019 11:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Let's say a wall is 97% effective. That's probably a pretty reasonable estimate. Does that eliminate the problem? Hell no, nothing will eliminate it. Does it reduce the problem substantially? Hell yes.

One of the really interesting things to me is how wall opponents like to tout the reduction in numbers of illegal immigrants in recent years. How much of that is attributable to construction of about 700 miles of walls along the border?

I don't like putting all of our eggs in the wall basket. But I also want to see some kind of rational and logical immigration policy. And democrats don't seem to want that. Yes, they say they are opposed to illegal immigration. But they then oppose every measure to reduce it. So I judge by their acts, not their words.

All valid points, but if a wall would reduce illegal crossings to a couple of thousand a month instead of that many a day, our immigration courts should be able to handle the case load without backlogs. As far as courts go, we need better immigration laws that leave little room for judicial interpretation so lawyers don't "judge shop" and cases are decided in one day. My hope would be those kinds of reforms would end catch and release policy caused by judicial backlogs.
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RE: The Wall won’t work
(01-13-2019 11:36 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 12:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 11:15 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 10:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm still waiting on all the examples of the cartels & illegals using weapons of warfare to penetrate the border barriers we have now.

Type it into google then

That's not how this message board works Sparky. You must defend your position per the AUP. Get to defending *****.

Here’s some using a carjack to breach it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc-kv7nzaU

So we use a design that hi-lift jacks can't breach.

Still doesn't support your claim that the cartels & illegal immigrants are using weapons of war to defeat existing border walls.
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