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If he would just start boxing out, things would go so much better for him. Every single possession he is muscled out of position. I just don't get it. Look at the effort from Ezikpe and even sometimes Dickens and compare to Robinson. It is night and day.

(01-18-2019 01:46 AM)Obiwan Wrote:  Carver provides too much basic needs and needs to be on court - it’s obvious he’s not an offensive threat but the other intangibles are pretty solid.

I don't disagree with this, in general. I certainly think he has been good enough to get minutes this year. Where I have a concern, and don't know the best answer, is that if the other big is not offering any offense, they can't both be on the court at the same time. You can sacrifice offense from one player, but not two. Last night worked out well because Dajour was an offensive threat, but in many games so far this year, neither post has been a threat, and in that case, we really need to have BJ at the 4.

(01-17-2019 11:13 PM)ODUgrad81+82 Wrote:  

I have an unsolicited theory on Robinson starting. Maybe JJ starts him at each half to see what he has for the game. He seems to play long enough to see if he is on. Once he travels, fouls, and/or gets beat for score, Jeff moves on.

In a nutshell...yes.

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Last night Kithcart had 0 turnovers in 18 minutes. So I did a check on the season stats for him. He has 7 turnovers in 181 minutes played. That's about 1 every 25 minutes, hardly a string of turnovers. I agree he may have some defensive breakdowns but who hasn't? He looks pretty solid on defense to me. He does a pretty good job of keeping his man in front of him.

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

(01-17-2019 11:27 PM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  My take on Robinson is he really doesn't want to play basketball! But at 7'1" he has to. He is soft gets pushed around and doesn't make any attempt to intimidate his opponents! He needs to decide if this is really for him and if not, stop wasting a scholarship and get on with your life. Until then, he doesn't need to play. much less start. I think Dickins and Ezipke are working out just fine in the frontcourt.

I've got employees like him. Don't want to work but they have to in order to eat!

In all honesty though I have been disappointed in him too, but he is an asset underneath just because of his size. Definitely keeps teams honest down low. He hasn't had a lot of blocks but he's definitely had an effect. He is too slow on the offensive end to be effective unfortunately.

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

(01-18-2019 02:23 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

And Western. He hasn’t gotten quality minutesuntil Godwin went down, and he was injured earlier in the season. Because of Kithcart emergence and if he doesn’t get in JJs doghouse, and the addition of Cooper and a sled of sophomores and freshmen we should be better next year. He was clearly quicker than Bracey,

(01-18-2019 02:23 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

I don’t think anyone suggested he start over Caver, but when he goes in Kithcart runs the point more effectively lately.

(01-18-2019 02:55 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 02:23 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

And Western. He hasn’t gotten quality minutesuntil Godwin went down, and he was injured earlier in the season. Because of Kithcart emergence and if he doesn’t get in JJs doghouse, and the addition of Cooper and a sled of sophomores and freshmen we should be better next year. He was clearly quicker than Bracey,

When was he injured earlier in the season?

(01-18-2019 02:56 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  I don’t think anyone suggested he start over Caver, but when he goes in Kithcart runs the point more effectively lately.

He's going to need to continue/increase this, as teams will keep going after Ahmad/BJ, making others to have to step up to beat them.

(01-18-2019 02:56 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 02:23 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

I don’t think anyone suggested he start over Caver, but when he goes in Kithcart runs the point more effectively lately.

Exactly, at the least I hope JJ learned last night that he doesn't have to play Caver 40 minutes. Our depth is not what it was after losing Godwin, but I still worry about the thought of playing Caver every minute. It seems to be the theme a lot unless he is in foul trouble. Same with BJ but even more so with Caver. I think Kithcart and even Wade have shown we can play at least a few minutes each half with them running the show.

IMHO - Next week with 3 games on the road in 6 days (including 2 in Texas) we are going to need all the depth we can muster. I would add that more folks playing more minutes is the way to go, especially if Caver and BJ are going to be a 100% (not just not hurt but energy too) for the tournament at the end.

I think Kithcart has replaced some of the perimeter shooting ODU lost when Godwin got hurt, but I'm not seeing the play at PG that others are seeing. He had 2 stints at PG last night; the last 4:06 of the first half he went 2-3 3s, had an assist and fouled Bracey twice on defense as ODU built the lead from 26-23 to 38-31...12 pts for ODU in 4 mins-nice job. In the second half he replaced Caver for 5:24, went 0-3 FG (0-1 3s) with 2 assists and the lead went from 40-37 to 47-44...a 5:24 stretch of really ugly BB where Dickens kept us in the game. Fine overall PG play for giving Caver a blow, but I see his value more as a SG that extends defenses and opens the lane for Caver.

(01-18-2019 04:09 PM)bigblue78 Wrote:  I think Kithcart has replaced some of the perimeter shooting ODU lost when Godwin got hurt, but I'm not seeing the play at PG that others are seeing. He had 2 stints at PG last night; the last 4:06 of the first half he went 2-3 3s, had an assist and fouled Bracey twice on defense as ODU built the lead from 26-23 to 38-31...12 pts for ODU in 4 mins-nice job. In the second half he replaced Caver for 5:24, went 0-3 FG (0-1 3s) with 2 assists and the lead went from 40-37 to 47-44...a 5:24 stretch of really ugly BB where Dickens kept us in the game. Fine overall PG play for giving Caver a blow, but I see his value more as a SG that extends defenses and opens the lane for Caver.

You are missing the bolded part. The argument was that when Justice was on the court, the offense ran better., not that Justice himself provided so much offense that it changed the game. The fact that other guys scored, is kind of the point.

(01-18-2019 04:35 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 04:09 PM)bigblue78 Wrote:  I think Kithcart has replaced some of the perimeter shooting ODU lost when Godwin got hurt, but I'm not seeing the play at PG that others are seeing. He had 2 stints at PG last night; the last 4:06 of the first half he went 2-3 3s, had an assist and fouled Bracey twice on defense as ODU built the lead from 26-23 to 38-31...12 pts for ODU in 4 mins-nice job. In the second half he replaced Caver for 5:24, went 0-3 FG (0-1 3s) with 2 assists and the lead went from 40-37 to 47-44...a 5:24 stretch of really ugly BB where Dickens kept us in the game. Fine overall PG play for giving Caver a blow, but I see his value more as a SG that extends defenses and opens the lane for Caver.

You are missing the bolded part. The argument was that when Justice was on the court, the offense ran better., not that Justice himself provided so much offense that it changed the game. The fact that other guys scored, is kind of the point.

Exactly. I am not saying Kithcart should be the pg but it certainly appears we move the ball better when he is in as opposed to being on the bench, whether he is playing the 1 or the 2.

(01-18-2019 02:56 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 02:23 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:31 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  Kithcart, Caver and Stith have got to start! The flexibility comes with Dickins, Ezipke, Wade, Carver and Green. Who's hot, who matches up, etc. determines who starts.

My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

I don’t think anyone suggested he start over Caver, but when he goes in Kithcart runs the point more effectively lately.

Only seen a few games this season, but was surprised last night seeing Caver and Kithcart on court together for quality time in 2nd half. I remember thinking at the time they were playing well. But, team missed a bunch of reasonable shots while they were treading water and ultimately falling behind.

Have they played at same time much in earlier games? If so, has the team looked good on those occasions? Thoughts on how this helps or hurts us?

From what i read on Florida swing and what I saw last night, what's happened to our defense? Over the past few years, have really been impressed by how hard the team worked on D. Last night looked like a completely different team. Looking for better tomorrow and another W.

(01-18-2019 10:10 PM)ODUgrad81+82 Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 02:56 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 02:23 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 11:55 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  My take is that, if everyone stays healthy, Kithcart will continue to come off the bench. From what I've seen, he's been real good in spurts, giving us life on the offensive end. However, every game looks the same in that he'll make a few shots, then have a string of turnovers/bad fouls/defensive breakdown (his man typically can do whatever he want with him)...then repeat.

Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

I don’t think anyone suggested he start over Caver, but when he goes in Kithcart runs the point more effectively lately.

Only seen a few games this season, but was surprised last night seeing Caver and Kithcart on court together for quality time in 2nd half. I remember thinking at the time they were playing well. But, team missed a bunch of reasonable shots while they were treading water and ultimately falling behind.

Have they played at same time much in earlier games? If so, has the team looked good on those occasions? Thoughts on how this helps or hurts us?

From what i read on Florida swing and what I saw last night, what's happened to our defense? Over the past few years, have really been impressed by how hard the team worked on D. Last night looked like a completely different team. Looking for better tomorrow and another W.

What's happened to our defense? What's happened to our intensity!

(01-19-2019 09:57 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:10 PM)ODUgrad81+82 Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 02:56 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 02:23 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:50 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  Huh Kithcart was all money on the Florida trip. Probably one of the best players on the floor. People need to pay attention more....

Yes, during the FL trip, he had solid showing. But I've also watched every game so far this season. I'm not saying he isn't a valuable asset to the team, HOWEVER some people are sounding off like he should be the starting PG right now. I'm not sure how many times I've heard coaches and/or player say in game that he's lost on both offense & defensive plays. Does that show up in the box score? No. But it does effect the flow. Just last night, was the example of coaches trying to encourage him to be better when he doesn't have the ball. There were 2 straight possessions where Ahmad/BJ held the ball at the top, to only end up driving/taking a poor, tough, contested shot. JJ then turned to the coaches and yelled out something to the effect of they can't actually run the offense if he doesn't go where he's supposed to go.

Again, he's been an integral part of our success, and I look forward to seeing how he develops, but I currently don't see how putting him in the starting lineup is effective. Look how well it's working out for Robinson.

I don’t think anyone suggested he start over Caver, but when he goes in Kithcart runs the point more effectively lately.

Only seen a few games this season, but was surprised last night seeing Caver and Kithcart on court together for quality time in 2nd half. I remember thinking at the time they were playing well. But, team missed a bunch of reasonable shots while they were treading water and ultimately falling behind.

Have they played at same time much in earlier games? If so, has the team looked good on those occasions? Thoughts on how this helps or hurts us?

From what i read on Florida swing and what I saw last night, what's happened to our defense? Over the past few years, have really been impressed by how hard the team worked on D. Last night looked like a completely different team. Looking for better tomorrow and another W.

What's happened to our defense? What's happened to our intensity!

Points per possession last few games:

Marshall 1.19
WKY 0.97
FAU 1.25
FIU .97
LT .93

Defense hasn't been that bad; though Marshall and FAU were bad games. Defense vs. FAU was pretty solid.

The offense needs to pick it up; mainly BJ, who has struggled over the past few games since shoulder injury. Green has also been really bad and no one has really recognized that.

If Kithcart keeps playing well, him and Wade may need to steal some of Greens minutes.