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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 02:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
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(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data

If the ice is like a mile thick how do those gases get in there? Is that reflective of what was going in ....... Central Asia at that time?

http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glacier...re-basics/
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 02:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data

In the longshot case that this is true (that you can tell me how much carbon is in the atmosphere based on an ice bubble), at that location, the data is as useless as studying the mating habits of Mormons in sub-Saharan Africa. If you are trying to tell me pollution is causing the earth to warm, what does giving me data from where there is no pollution tell me?

that the introduction of mid 19th century technology to today's output directly corresponds to the accelerated rate of CO2 in the atmosphere.....
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 02:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data

In the longshot case that this is true (that you can tell me how much carbon is in the atmosphere based on an ice bubble), at that location, the data is as useless as studying the mating habits of Mormons in sub-Saharan Africa. If you are trying to tell me pollution is causing the earth to warm, what does giving me data from where there is no pollution tell me?

that the introduction of mid 19th century technology to today's output directly corresponds to the accelerated rate of CO2 in the atmosphere.....

In Antarctica? This is Ancient Aliens level science. The CO2 in the older ice bubbles dissipated over time. There isn't enough CO2 being polluted into the atmosphere by humans to affect the levels in Antarctica. Otherwise, you would see when the super volcanos erupted on the fake graph.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data

In the longshot case that this is true (that you can tell me how much carbon is in the atmosphere based on an ice bubble), at that location, the data is as useless as studying the mating habits of Mormons in sub-Saharan Africa. If you are trying to tell me pollution is causing the earth to warm, what does giving me data from where there is no pollution tell me?

that the introduction of mid 19th century technology to today's output directly corresponds to the accelerated rate of CO2 in the atmosphere.....

In Antarctica? This is Ancient Aliens level science. The CO2 in the older ice bubbles dissipated over time. There isn't enough CO2 being polluted into the atmosphere by humans to affect the levels in Antarctica. Otherwise, you would see when the super volcanos erupted on the fake graph.

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(01-09-2019 03:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data

In the longshot case that this is true (that you can tell me how much carbon is in the atmosphere based on an ice bubble), at that location, the data is as useless as studying the mating habits of Mormons in sub-Saharan Africa. If you are trying to tell me pollution is causing the earth to warm, what does giving me data from where there is no pollution tell me?

that the introduction of mid 19th century technology to today's output directly corresponds to the accelerated rate of CO2 in the atmosphere.....

In Antarctica? This is Ancient Aliens level science. The CO2 in the older ice bubbles dissipated over time. There isn't enough CO2 being polluted into the atmosphere by humans to affect the levels in Antarctica. Otherwise, you would see when the super volcanos erupted on the fake graph.

http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glacier...re-basics/

Quote:Ice sheets have one particularly special property. They allow us to go back in time and to sample accumulation, air temperature and air chemistry from another time[1]. Ice core records allow us to generate continuous reconstructions of past climate, going back at least 800,000 years[2]. By looking at past concentrations of greenhouse gasses in layers in ice cores, scientists can calculate how modern amounts of carbon dioxide and methane compare to those of the past, and, essentially, compare past concentrations of greenhouse gasses to temperature.

Quote:The most important property of ice cores is that they are a direct archive of past atmospheric gasses. Air is trapped at the base of the firn layer, and when the compacted snow turns to ice, the air is trapped in bubbles. This transition normally occurs 50-100 m below the surface[6]. The offset between the age of the air and the age of the ice is accounted for with well-understood models of firn densification and gas trapping. The air bubbles are extracted by melting, crushing or grating the ice in a vacuum.

This method provides detailed records of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide going back over 650,000 years[6]. Ice core records globally agree on these levels, and they match instrumented measurements from the 1950s onwards, confirming their reliability. Carbon dioxide measurements from older ice in Greenland is less reliable, as meltwater layers have elevated carbon dioxide (CO2 is highly soluble in water). Older records of carbon dioxide are therefore best taken from Antarctic ice cores.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
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(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Really?
If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.
Self-preservation is the first law of nature.
Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.
And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.
Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.
There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.
The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.
They never even consider that....
A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.
In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

I'll give them a little more than you will. I'm willing to accept that it's at least likely that the planet is warming. What I'm not willing to do is to accept their proposed "solutions" which I find to be largely nonsensical.

If we do nothing, the earth's average temperature will increase by 2 degrees Celsius by 2120, and that will be catastrophic. But if we do A, B, and C, we can reduce the increase to 1.8 degrees Celsius by 2020. Umm, that means we would hit 2 degrees by about 2040, at which point life as we know it becomes just as impossible, just as it would have at 2020 without doing anything. That is incredibly stupid. I want all the brainpower that is currently building models to try to figure out whether temperatures will rise by 1 degree or 3 degrees by 2120 to start instead figuring out how to make that number go to 0. Because if all their fantasies prove true, then 0 is the maximum acceptable number.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 04:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Really?
If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.
Self-preservation is the first law of nature.
Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.
And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.
Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.
There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.
The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.
They never even consider that....
A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.
In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

I'll give them a little more than you will. I'm willing to accept that it's at least likely that the planet is warming. What I'm not willing to do is to accept their proposed "solutions" which I find to be largely nonsensical.

If we do nothing, the earth's average temperature will increase by 2 degrees Celsius by 2120, and that will be catastrophic. But if we do A, B, and C, we can reduce the increase to 1.8 degrees Celsius by 2020. Umm, that means we would hit 2 degrees by about 2040, at which point life as we know it becomes just as impossible as it would have at 2020 without doing anything. That is incredibly stupid. I want all the brainpower that is currently building models to try to figure out whether temperatures will rise by 1 degree or 3 degrees by 2120 to start instead figuring out how to make that number go to 0. Because if all their fantasies prove true, then 0 is the maximum acceptable number.

right now we know CO2 levels are at an all time high and temperature rise moves in tandem with any increase or decrease ......

we also know we are in a warming trend with the empirical data to back this up....

having said that, is it a chicken little/knee jerk moment worth destroying an economy over with horseshite spending/tax policies....hell no....

again, we're only 15% of the carbon output global footprint.....

as I've stated many times on this subject, we have to let alternative energy technologies evolve over time to help minimize the risk and negative impact these numbers may OR may not have on our climate....

it's not like we have the power of Q......
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humans are a problem relative to the coral reefs.....just not the way you think....

https://www.virgin.com/virgin-unite/lead...oral-reefs

Quote:The flamboyant, algae-eating, sand-pooping, Parrotfish is the most important fish on Caribbean coral reefs. This World Fisheries Day, Ayana Elizabeth Johnson is giving them a big shout-out, and sharing all the wonderful ways they make coral reefs – and our lives – better.

Quote:Parrotfish eat algae and dead coral*. They spend up to 90% of their day nibbling. In other words, they clean the reef. This is important because most of the reefs in the Caribbean (and elsewhere across the tropics) are being smothered by algae because there are not enough parrotfish and other herbivores out there grazing.

Quote:So, what’s threatening parrotfish? Us. Humans. We are their primary predators. We are overfishing them with nets, fish traps and spearguns.

Their numbers are so depleted, and algae levels are so high, that they cannot be fished sustainably right now anywhere in the Caribbean. These flamboyant, algae-eating, sand-pooping fish need to be left in the water. And when they are left to chomp away, they do a brilliant job. A massive new report concludes that reefs where parrotfish were abundant in the 1980s are the reefs that are healthy now.

Quote:The #1 thing we can do to ensure the health of coral reefs is to protect parrotfish.

Quote:Do not despair. Though it will take concerted effort, we can save the Caribbean’s coral reefs. And next time you see a healthy reef, stroll down a fluffy white sand beach, or have a colorful scuba dive, thank a parrotfish.

Quote:The island of Barbuda has recently done just that. The local government passed a law in August that completely protects parrotfish. It is now illegal to catch, buy, sell, or possess parrotfish. Furthermore, 33% of the coastal area is now protected in marine reserves, and use of nets on the reefs is prohibited, among other necessary and progressive measures.

All this occurred as part of the Blue Halo Initiative, a partnership between the Waitt Institute and the local government to support sustainable fishing and ocean zoning. Barbuda is a tiny island, but it has set a new standard for ocean management. And that gold standard must quickly become the new status quo.
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