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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 11:52 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I live in a little townhouse, though I could afford something bigger. I switched from a 6-cylinder car to a 4-cylinder that gets better gas mileage. Honestly, I don't fly much either, and that's one of the biggest contributors of CO2. I don't leave lights on in my house, or the TV, if I'm not in the room. I have the usual programmable thermostat so I'm not heating or cooling as much when I'm not there (I assume most do that). I have also donated to the Nature Conservancy, which has programs where they work with businesses to make maximum use of natural resources (worldwide), and also works on natural restoration of coastlines which take in CO2 and also help protect against storm surge.

Very nice. You've started to walk the walk. I imagine the climate alarmists who demand everyone else change as they jet-set around the world on vacation and get driven in SUVs to awards shows are frustrating to you as well.....

(01-09-2019 11:52 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  But a few people doing that won't help that much if half the U.S. doesn't do anything because they think it's a hoax.

That's the rub, isn't it? But the reason half the US doesn't do anything isn't really because they think it's so much a hoax, but the fact that those who continually tell us that climate change is an emergency do not act like climate change is an emergency.

I would imagine that many more Americans would support a leaner lifestyle in the way you live your life as long as the fat cats who tell us we me live a leaner life do so first.

Sorry, that's human nature. Most people have a negative reaction to those telling us to do as they say, not as they do.

FWIW, I also lived a leaner lifestyle in the past however in my current situation I am no longer as environmentally efficient as I once was. Basically, I have kids and a bit of money so I am going to make sure I get some enjoyment out of life. I have no interest in being an aesthetic right now but I can see myself in my retirement years living a much leaning, less impactful lifestyle. Hopefully that lifestyle might include a few solar panels, a Powerwall, a smaller house and some more efficient vehicles (my current cylinder index is very high.)
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(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.businessinsider.com/carbon-d...cts-2018-5

Quote:There's a debate among scientists about the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have been during the Pliocene era, 2 million to 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were 60 to 80 feet higher than today. Or it may have been in the Miocene, 10 million to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.

this alone identifies CO2 levels are not the only factor how our planet continually reshapes itself...

see, I can cherry pick data too.....

what I do believe is humanity will continue to develop/improve cleaner energy sources and adapt to changes over time....

what people like Pelosi and other alarmists want is flipping the 'now' switch to economic suicide.....
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(01-09-2019 12:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.businessinsider.com/carbon-d...cts-2018-5

Quote:There's a debate among scientists about the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have been during the Pliocene era, 2 million to 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were 60 to 80 feet higher than today. Or it may have been in the Miocene, 10 million to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.

this alone identifies CO2 levels are not the only factor how our planet continually reshapes itself...

see, I can cherry pick data too.....

what I do believe is humanity will continue to develop/improve cleaner energy sources and adapt to changes over time....

what people like Pelosi and other alarmists want is flipping the 'now' switch to economic suicide.....

There are certainly other factors, e.g. if a tectonic plate shifts up it can raise sea level even with the same amount of water. But I don't think it disputes the general importance of CO2.
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(01-09-2019 12:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:19 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:03 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So about 97% of climatologists are leftists in a conspiracy to expand government?

I think people need to stop reading internet blogs.

I didn't say climatologists.

I said climate alarmists.

The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

would the emergence of cleaner/alternative energy production and funding continual studies not indicate the US is taking climate fluctuations seriously....

however, Pelosi and many others are trying to turn economic stability inside out with proposals like this......

that's what matters....

To some extent. But if you have people like Ted Cruz trying to reduce the amount of NASA's budget spent on studying the Earth - e.g. satellites to measure things and tell us what is actually happening on Earth, it tends to make me think that some would prefer to live in blissful ignorance. Also, some climatologists have said that at least for a while they had to run their datasets past higher-ups that were political appointees, not scientists, before they could even be released on the internet. And if you have people like Trump trying to revive coal production even though in some cases it isn't even that economical anymore compared to natural gas which is in any case, not as bad as coal regarding release of CO2, that also makes me think we don't really care about it.

let's not forget the other contributors to the human equation....see post #5 and the following link....the US is only a 15% global contributor

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/sc...DYuwFxKjIU

if what you describe is true about NASA, I am not in favor of reducing the budget that limits the studies of our planet....that I find surprising...

however, I'm adamantly opposed to this political horsecrap tax Pelosi has presented....

that's the real issue as defined by the OP.....
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 12:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:19 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:03 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I didn't say climatologists.

I said climate alarmists.

The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

would the emergence of cleaner/alternative energy production and funding continual studies not indicate the US is taking climate fluctuations seriously....

however, Pelosi and many others are trying to turn economic stability inside out with proposals like this......

that's what matters....

To some extent. But if you have people like Ted Cruz trying to reduce the amount of NASA's budget spent on studying the Earth - e.g. satellites to measure things and tell us what is actually happening on Earth, it tends to make me think that some would prefer to live in blissful ignorance. Also, some climatologists have said that at least for a while they had to run their datasets past higher-ups that were political appointees, not scientists, before they could even be released on the internet. And if you have people like Trump trying to revive coal production even though in some cases it isn't even that economical anymore compared to natural gas which is in any case, not as bad as coal regarding release of CO2, that also makes me think we don't really care about it.

let's not forget the other contributors to the human equation....see post #5 and the following link....the US is only a 15% global contributor

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/sc...DYuwFxKjIU

if what you describe is true about NASA, I am not in favor of reducing the budget that limits the studies of our planet....that I find surprising...

however, I'm adamantly opposed to this political horsecrap tax Pelosi has presented....

that's the real issue as defined by the OP.....

Eh, he was trying to keep funding in line with the Budget Control Act. Cruz despite his tea party leanings has been pretty vocal about keeping America at the forefront of space exploration.

Quote:“This authorization disregards the Budget Control Act,” Cruz said in introducing his amendment. “Proceeding with an authorization while pretending that the existing law is something other than what it is, is not the most effective way to protect the priority that space exploration and manned exploration should have.” He was concerned automatic cuts from sequestration would prevent a proper rebalancing of priorities for NASA.

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(01-09-2019 12:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.businessinsider.com/carbon-d...cts-2018-5

Quote:There's a debate among scientists about the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have been during the Pliocene era, 2 million to 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were 60 to 80 feet higher than today. Or it may have been in the Miocene, 10 million to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.

this alone identifies CO2 levels are not the only factor how our planet continually reshapes itself...

see, I can cherry pick data too.....

what I do believe is humanity will continue to develop/improve cleaner energy sources and adapt to changes over time....

what people like Pelosi and other alarmists want is flipping the 'now' switch to economic suicide.....

There are certainly other factors, e.g. if a tectonic plate shifts up it can raise sea level even with the same amount of water. But I don't think it disputes the general importance of CO2.

correct....it does not....

however, we're in uncharted territory relative to what this number actually means long term other than it does have a direct correlation to overall temperature and pollution....

what has yet to be proved is how harmful warming is to humanity.....one can argue the benefits of warming as well....
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(01-09-2019 12:40 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:19 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

would the emergence of cleaner/alternative energy production and funding continual studies not indicate the US is taking climate fluctuations seriously....

however, Pelosi and many others are trying to turn economic stability inside out with proposals like this......

that's what matters....

To some extent. But if you have people like Ted Cruz trying to reduce the amount of NASA's budget spent on studying the Earth - e.g. satellites to measure things and tell us what is actually happening on Earth, it tends to make me think that some would prefer to live in blissful ignorance. Also, some climatologists have said that at least for a while they had to run their datasets past higher-ups that were political appointees, not scientists, before they could even be released on the internet. And if you have people like Trump trying to revive coal production even though in some cases it isn't even that economical anymore compared to natural gas which is in any case, not as bad as coal regarding release of CO2, that also makes me think we don't really care about it.

let's not forget the other contributors to the human equation....see post #5 and the following link....the US is only a 15% global contributor

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/sc...DYuwFxKjIU

if what you describe is true about NASA, I am not in favor of reducing the budget that limits the studies of our planet....that I find surprising...

however, I'm adamantly opposed to this political horsecrap tax Pelosi has presented....

that's the real issue as defined by the OP.....

Eh, he was trying to keep funding in line with the Budget Control Act. Cruz despite his tea party leanings has been pretty vocal about keeping America at the forefront of space exploration.

Quote:“This authorization disregards the Budget Control Act,” Cruz said in introducing his amendment. “Proceeding with an authorization while pretending that the existing law is something other than what it is, is not the most effective way to protect the priority that space exploration and manned exploration should have.” He was concerned automatic cuts from sequestration would prevent a proper rebalancing of priorities for NASA.

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thx....that's what I figured....
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(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Their funding has NOTHING to do with fighting climate change. It's the politicians' decision what to do with the information provided.

Really?

If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.

Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.

And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.

Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

Have you read anything about climate from someplace other than right-wing blogs? It's mostly CO2, which started increasing around 1850 and also the ratio of C isotopes in the atmosphere started changing much faster at the same time. There has been no increase in total solar irradiance during that time. And it's arrogant to think that humans can do whatever they want without it affecting the atmosphere, or rivers, or forests.

The sun cycles just like anything else. Even minute changes can have a much larger effect than whether I drive an Explorer and not a Prius. We also don't know how the phases of a solar cycle affect the climate, especially since we don't fully understand the climate in the first place.

If you want to believe the same scientists that gave us the hockey stick graph and predicted the coasts would be under water by now, be my guest. I'll wait for proof over conjecture.
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(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Where were these measurements taken? At the site over a coal plant? Where did the measurements from 300,000 years ago come from? A Neanderthal time capsule?
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(01-09-2019 01:28 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Really?

If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.

Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.

And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.

Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

Have you read anything about climate from someplace other than right-wing blogs? It's mostly CO2, which started increasing around 1850 and also the ratio of C isotopes in the atmosphere started changing much faster at the same time. There has been no increase in total solar irradiance during that time. And it's arrogant to think that humans can do whatever they want without it affecting the atmosphere, or rivers, or forests.

The sun cycles just like anything else. Even minute changes can have a much larger effect than whether I drive an Explorer and not a Prius. We also don't know how the phases of a solar cycle affect the climate, especially since we don't fully understand the climate in the first place.

If you want to believe the same scientists that gave us the hockey stick graph and predicted the coasts would be under water by now, be my guest. I'll wait for proof over conjecture.

The solar cycle changes the output by 0.1%. It's not like Earth temperatures go up and down in tune with the solar cycle - which has not changed noticeably in recent years - if anything, the cycles have had lesser changes from solar minimum to maximum lately.
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(01-09-2019 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Where were these measurements taken? At the site over a coal plant? Where did the measurements from 300,000 years ago come from? A Neanderthal time capsule?

Probably Antarctic ice cores.
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(01-09-2019 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Where were these measurements taken? At the site over a coal plant? Where did the measurements from 300,000 years ago come from? A Neanderthal time capsule?

ice cores 3km deep in the arctic.....
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(01-09-2019 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Where were these measurements taken? At the site over a coal plant? Where did the measurements from 300,000 years ago come from? A Neanderthal time capsule?

07-coffee3

They're taken from ice cores...

Quote:Ice cores are cylinders of ice drilled from ice sheets and glaciers. They are essentially frozen time capsules that allow scientists to reconstruct climate far into the past. Layers in ice cores correspond to years and seasons, with the youngest ice at the top and the oldest ice at the bottom of the core. By drilling down into the ice sheet or glacier and recovering ice from ancient times, scientists are able to determine the past composition and behavior of the atmosphere, what the climate was like when the snow fell, and how the size of ice sheets and glaciers have changed in the past in response to different climate conditions. Ice cores have provided climate and ice dynamics information over many hundred thousand years in very high, sometimes seasonal, resolution. This information allows scientists to determine how and why climate changed in the past. By understanding how and why climate changed in the past, scientists are able to improve predictions of how climate will change in the future.

https://icecores.org/about-ice-cores
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There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?
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(01-09-2019 12:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.businessinsider.com/carbon-d...cts-2018-5

Quote:There's a debate among scientists about the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have been during the Pliocene era, 2 million to 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were 60 to 80 feet higher than today. Or it may have been in the Miocene, 10 million to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.

this alone identifies CO2 levels are not the only factor how our planet continually reshapes itself...

see, I can cherry pick data too.....

what I do believe is humanity will continue to develop/improve cleaner energy sources and adapt to changes over time....

what people like Pelosi and other alarmists want is flipping the 'now' switch to economic suicide.....

There are certainly other factors, e.g. if a tectonic plate shifts up it can raise sea level even with the same amount of water. But I don't think it disputes the general importance of CO2.

correct....it does not....

however, we're in uncharted territory relative to what this number actually means long term other than it does have a direct correlation to overall temperature and pollution....

what has yet to be proved is how harmful warming is to humanity.....one can argue the benefits of warming as well....

One of the biggest things to worry about isn't even the warming, it's the intake of carbon dioxide into the oceans, which could mess up the whole ecosystem, starting with phytoplankton and shellfish. Regarding the warming, there are pluses and minuses, though some island nations are likely to be underwater and coastal cities like Miami might have to be abandoned. At a minimum, storm surges will impact Miami, New York City, New Orleans etc. a lot more than they do now. We'll need to be prepared to adapt, which is also costly. And you do get infestations where you don't get them now because it's too cold in the winter.

The predictions are also for more extreme precipitation - too much in some areas and drought/wildfires in other areas. I don't know much about that part.

Of course you can drill more in the arctic. I did read somewhere you're likely to have disputes between countries bordering the arctic as far as territory and drilling rights. I'm enjoying this winter so far since it's been warmer than I've ever seen it so far. So that's a plus.
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(01-09-2019 12:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.businessinsider.com/carbon-d...cts-2018-5

Quote:There's a debate among scientists about the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have been during the Pliocene era, 2 million to 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were 60 to 80 feet higher than today. Or it may have been in the Miocene, 10 million to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.

this alone identifies CO2 levels are not the only factor how our planet continually reshapes itself...

see, I can cherry pick data too.....

what I do believe is humanity will continue to develop/improve cleaner energy sources and adapt to changes over time....

what people like Pelosi and other alarmists want is flipping the 'now' switch to economic suicide.....

I agree with the bold text. We are an adaptable species and I don't think climate change is an existential threat.

It's my opinion that curbing our greenhouse gas emissions now as opposed to down the road would help stave off some of the more devastating effects of climate change. For every dollar we spend now in mitigation, we'll save six-fold on money we have to spend in the future.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 02:09 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 12:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:29 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.businessinsider.com/carbon-d...cts-2018-5

Quote:There's a debate among scientists about the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have been during the Pliocene era, 2 million to 4.6 million years ago, when sea levels were 60 to 80 feet higher than today. Or it may have been in the Miocene, 10 million to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.

this alone identifies CO2 levels are not the only factor how our planet continually reshapes itself...

see, I can cherry pick data too.....

what I do believe is humanity will continue to develop/improve cleaner energy sources and adapt to changes over time....

what people like Pelosi and other alarmists want is flipping the 'now' switch to economic suicide.....

I agree with the bold text. We are an adaptable species and I don't think climate change is an existential threat.

It's my opinion that curbing our greenhouse gas emissions now as opposed to down the road would help stave off some of the more devastating effects of climate change. For every dollar we spend now in mitigation, we'll save six-fold on money we have to spend in the future.

Agree - it is not an existential threat for the United States. A serious one though.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 02:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data

If the ice is like a mile thick how do those gases get in there? Is that reflective of what was going in ....... Central Asia at that time?
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 02:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 02:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  There is very little pollution or people in Antarctica. What use is this data where nobody lives?

it's scientifically accepted that region has an undisturbed ice mass that continually traps ice bubbles containing atmospheric gases that can be be identified and reliably traced back to a specific time period....the deeper the bubble, the older the data

In the longshot case that this is true (that you can tell me how much carbon is in the atmosphere based on an ice bubble), at that location, the data is as useless as studying the mating habits of Mormons in sub-Saharan Africa. If you are trying to tell me pollution is causing the earth to warm, what does giving me data from where there is no pollution tell me?
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