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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.
And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.
Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

But the fallacy is your implicit assumption that CEOs of fossil fuel companies are somehow biased, but "people actually studying the issue" are somehow objective. When the grants for studying the issue presuppose the objective, then nobody is more than a hired hand.

Here's my point. I don't want to spend money on conjecture about whether the average temperature will be 1 degree or 3 degrees warmer in 2120. Where I want the research going is what do we do about it. So far the answer seems to be developed countries take massive hits to your economies, developing countries keep on keeping on, and developed countries make massive transfers of wealth to developing countries. I don't think that works and I don't see WTF it has to so with climate change. And I think that anyone who truly believes that we are staring catastrophe in the face within 100 years should want a better solution.

The interesting thing to me is that the US, despite not being a signatory to Kyoto and bowing out of Paris, has reduced greenhouse gas emissions more in the last decade than many countries who were signatories. They set goals, but they're not going to reach them. There are few exercises more useless than setting goals that you know you cannot and will not attain, followed by congratulating yourself for setting such goals.
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Why do the climate alarmists never share what they are personally doing to alleviate global warming?

My guess is because climate alarmists, who are almost universally leftists, don’t really give a damn about climate change but instead it’s just another hammer for them to use against the right.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-07-2019 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What difference does it make what talking heads and celebrities say? What about listening to the actual climatologists?

Those same climatologists that make their living doing "research" that relies on grants & funding aimed at fighting "climate change"?

No conflict of interest there.

Not to mention, these guys have no clue what the "climate" will be in 5 years let alone 25.

Their funding has NOTHING to do with fighting climate change. It's the politicians' decision what to do with the information provided.

Really?

If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.

Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.

And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.

Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 09:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.
And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.
Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

But the fallacy is your implicit assumption that CEOs of fossil fuel companies are somehow biased, but "people actually studying the issue" are somehow objective. When the grants for studying the issue presuppose the objective, then nobody is more than a hired hand.

Here's my point. I don't want to spend money on conjecture about whether the average temperature will be 1 degree or 3 degrees warmer in 2120. Where I want the research going is what do we do about it. So far the answer seems to be developed countries take massive hits to your economies, developing countries keep on keeping on, and developed countries make massive transfers of wealth to developing countries. I don't think that works. And I think that anyone who truly believes that we are staring catastrophe in the face within 100 years should want a better solution.

This exactly.

Additionally, the political class embracing it see it as a way to increase the power of government over everything the people do..........
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(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Those same climatologists that make their living doing "research" that relies on grants & funding aimed at fighting "climate change"?

No conflict of interest there.

Not to mention, these guys have no clue what the "climate" will be in 5 years let alone 25.

Their funding has NOTHING to do with fighting climate change. It's the politicians' decision what to do with the information provided.

Really?

If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.

Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.

And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.

Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

Have you read anything about climate from someplace other than right-wing blogs? It's mostly CO2, which started increasing around 1850 and also the ratio of C isotopes in the atmosphere started changing much faster at the same time. There has been no increase in total solar irradiance during that time. And it's arrogant to think that humans can do whatever they want without it affecting the atmosphere, or rivers, or forests.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Why do the climate alarmists never share what they are personally doing to alleviate global warming?

My guess is because climate alarmists, who are almost universally leftists, don’t really give a damn about climate change but instead it’s just another hammer for them to use against the right.

So about 97% of climatologists are leftists in a conspiracy to expand government?

I think people need to stop reading internet blogs.
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(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Their funding has NOTHING to do with fighting climate change. It's the politicians' decision what to do with the information provided.

Really?

If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.

Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.

And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.

Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

Have you read anything about climate from someplace other than right-wing blogs? It's mostly CO2, which started increasing around 1850 and also the ratio of C isotopes in the atmosphere started changing much faster at the same time. There has been no increase in total solar irradiance during that time. And it's arrogant to think that humans can do whatever they want without it affecting the atmosphere, or rivers, or forests.

Which is why no one is saying pollute rivers, detonate nuclear bombs, or throw cigarettes out car windows. We should all try to limit pollution. However, the earth's climate has changed multiple times going from sauna to global snowball all without the presence of humans. The climate is going to do what it wants to do regardless of humans. Yes, we should do our part and conserve; however, to think we have ultimate control no matter what we do is silly.
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(01-09-2019 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:25 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Really?

If they came out tomorrow and admitted the whole thing was a hoax or that they honestly don't know if the climate is actually changing, that funding would dry up instantly.

Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.

And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.

Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

Have you read anything about climate from someplace other than right-wing blogs? It's mostly CO2, which started increasing around 1850 and also the ratio of C isotopes in the atmosphere started changing much faster at the same time. There has been no increase in total solar irradiance during that time. And it's arrogant to think that humans can do whatever they want without it affecting the atmosphere, or rivers, or forests.

Which is why no one is saying pollute rivers, detonate nuclear bombs, or throw cigarettes out car windows. We should all try to limit pollution. However, the earth's climate has changed multiple times going from sauna to global snowball all without the presence of humans. The climate is going to do what it wants to do regardless of humans. Yes, we should do our part and conserve; however, to think we have ultimate control no matter what we do is silly.

And you think that earth's climate changed for no reason back then? Explain why it is happening now. Assuming against the evidence that we have no impact is what is silly.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Why do the climate alarmists never share what they are personally doing to alleviate global warming?

My guess is because climate alarmists, who are almost universally leftists, don’t really give a damn about climate change but instead it’s just another hammer for them to use against the right.

So about 97% of climatologists are leftists in a conspiracy to expand government?

I think people need to stop reading internet blogs.

I didn't say climatologists.

I said climate alarmists.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 11:03 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Why do the climate alarmists never share what they are personally doing to alleviate global warming?

My guess is because climate alarmists, who are almost universally leftists, don’t really give a damn about climate change but instead it’s just another hammer for them to use against the right.

So about 97% of climatologists are leftists in a conspiracy to expand government?

I think people need to stop reading internet blogs.

I didn't say climatologists.

I said climate alarmists.

like many depending on subsidized projects, they see what they want to see...
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(01-09-2019 11:03 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Why do the climate alarmists never share what they are personally doing to alleviate global warming?

My guess is because climate alarmists, who are almost universally leftists, don’t really give a damn about climate change but instead it’s just another hammer for them to use against the right.

So about 97% of climatologists are leftists in a conspiracy to expand government?

I think people need to stop reading internet blogs.

I didn't say climatologists.

I said climate alarmists.

The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.
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(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:03 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Why do the climate alarmists never share what they are personally doing to alleviate global warming?

My guess is because climate alarmists, who are almost universally leftists, don’t really give a damn about climate change but instead it’s just another hammer for them to use against the right.

So about 97% of climatologists are leftists in a conspiracy to expand government?

I think people need to stop reading internet blogs.

I didn't say climatologists.

I said climate alarmists.

The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

would the emergence of cleaner/alternative energy production and funding continual studies not indicate the US is taking climate fluctuations seriously....

however, Pelosi and many others are trying to turn economic stability inside out with proposals like this......

that's what matters....
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Yes, Earth's climate goes through cycles, but there is plenty of evidence that the change is occurring many times more rapidly than the natural rate.

[Image: 203_co2-graph-021116.jpeg]

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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(01-09-2019 10:56 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Still holding out hope that it's a hoax? Good luck with that.

And you could make that argument about EVERYTHING scientists are doing in any field. But this is the only area where people suddenly decide that they'd rather believe the CEO of a fossil fuel company than the people actually studying the issue.

Also, if they determined that the Earth is warming, but not due to humans, one would think you'd still want to study it so we'd know what we need to be prepared for and how soon.

There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

Have you read anything about climate from someplace other than right-wing blogs? It's mostly CO2, which started increasing around 1850 and also the ratio of C isotopes in the atmosphere started changing much faster at the same time. There has been no increase in total solar irradiance during that time. And it's arrogant to think that humans can do whatever they want without it affecting the atmosphere, or rivers, or forests.

Which is why no one is saying pollute rivers, detonate nuclear bombs, or throw cigarettes out car windows. We should all try to limit pollution. However, the earth's climate has changed multiple times going from sauna to global snowball all without the presence of humans. The climate is going to do what it wants to do regardless of humans. Yes, we should do our part and conserve; however, to think we have ultimate control no matter what we do is silly.

And you think that earth's climate changed for no reason back then? Explain why it is happening now. Assuming against the evidence that we have no impact is what is silly.

I can guarantee you it wasn't because of humans.

Why is it happening now, more than likely for similar reasons it happened then, barring catastrophes from the sky, etc. Again, it's going to happen no matter what humans do. I am not saying humans shouldn't do whatever to help, just saying that even if we did all the climate doomsayers say do, the climate would still change and possibly change for the worse.
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(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

Can you outline for us, specifically, the steps you are personally taking to limit your carbon footprint and all other areas of effort you are taking to alleviate your individual impact on global warming?
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(01-09-2019 11:43 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

Can you outline for us, specifically, the steps you are personally taking to limit your carbon footprint and all other areas of effort you are taking to alleviate your individual impact on global warming?
Who determines this?
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(01-09-2019 11:43 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

Can you outline for us, specifically, the steps you are personally taking to limit your carbon footprint and all other areas of effort you are taking to alleviate your individual impact on global warming?

I live in a little townhouse, though I could afford something bigger. I switched from a 6-cylinder car to a 4-cylinder that gets better gas mileage. Honestly, I don't fly much either, and that's one of the biggest contributors of CO2. I don't leave lights on in my house, or the TV, if I'm not in the room. I have the usual programmable thermostat so I'm not heating or cooling as much when I'm not there (I assume most do that). I have also donated to the Nature Conservancy, which has programs where they work with businesses to make maximum use of natural resources (worldwide), and also works on natural restoration of coastlines which take in CO2 and also help protect against storm surge.

But a few people doing that won't help that much if half the U.S. doesn't do anything because they think it's a hoax.
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(01-09-2019 11:52 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:43 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

Can you outline for us, specifically, the steps you are personally taking to limit your carbon footprint and all other areas of effort you are taking to alleviate your individual impact on global warming?

I live in a little townhouse, though I could afford something bigger. I switched from a 6-cylinder car to a 4-cylinder that gets better gas mileage. Honestly, I don't fly much either, and that's one of the biggest contributors of CO2. I don't leave lights on in my house, or the TV, if I'm not in the room. I have the usual programmable thermostat so I'm not heating or cooling as much when I'm not there (I assume most do that). I have also donated to the Nature Conservancy, which has programs where they work with businesses to make maximum use of natural resources (worldwide), and also works on natural restoration of coastlines which take in CO2 and also help protect against storm surge.

But a few people doing that won't help that much if half the U.S. doesn't do anything because they think it's a hoax.

The US is the cleanest developed nation in the world. Time for others to step up.
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(01-09-2019 11:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:56 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:29 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  There's no holding out hope, it is a hoax.

The "climate" has gone thru warming & cooling periods throughout history...... NONE of which had anything to to with the SUV.

They never even consider that....

A) They have no real idea WHY it happens which means man has no control over it.
B) It might have more to do with that big bright ball in the sky than it does my using air conditioning.
C) It's the height of arrogance to think that "man" is completely responsible and only "man" is capable of "fixing" unknown causes.

In any case, I refuse to change society and drastically affect our way of life based on "I think" theories that can't be proved and plans that have no way of being proved effective.

Have you read anything about climate from someplace other than right-wing blogs? It's mostly CO2, which started increasing around 1850 and also the ratio of C isotopes in the atmosphere started changing much faster at the same time. There has been no increase in total solar irradiance during that time. And it's arrogant to think that humans can do whatever they want without it affecting the atmosphere, or rivers, or forests.

Which is why no one is saying pollute rivers, detonate nuclear bombs, or throw cigarettes out car windows. We should all try to limit pollution. However, the earth's climate has changed multiple times going from sauna to global snowball all without the presence of humans. The climate is going to do what it wants to do regardless of humans. Yes, we should do our part and conserve; however, to think we have ultimate control no matter what we do is silly.

And you think that earth's climate changed for no reason back then? Explain why it is happening now. Assuming against the evidence that we have no impact is what is silly.

I can guarantee you it wasn't because of humans.

Why is it happening now, more than likely for similar reasons it happened then, barring catastrophes from the sky, etc. Again, it's going to happen no matter what humans do. I am not saying humans shouldn't do whatever to help, just saying that even if we did all the climate doomsayers say do, the climate would still change and possibly change for the worse.

Saying what did not cause previous climate changes is not a theory. The fact that it changed before does not mean the same thing is causing it now. We know that climate can change due to the tilt of the Earth, the eccentricity of its orbit, solar energy, volcanoes and large meteor strikes, among other things. Once you account for those, you have to look at what's left.
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RE: 'The existential threat of our time': Pelosi elevates climate change
(01-09-2019 11:19 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:12 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 11:03 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Why do the climate alarmists never share what they are personally doing to alleviate global warming?

My guess is because climate alarmists, who are almost universally leftists, don’t really give a damn about climate change but instead it’s just another hammer for them to use against the right.

So about 97% of climatologists are leftists in a conspiracy to expand government?

I think people need to stop reading internet blogs.

I didn't say climatologists.

I said climate alarmists.

The climatologists, the ones that know what they are talking about, are very concerned, that's what matters.

would the emergence of cleaner/alternative energy production and funding continual studies not indicate the US is taking climate fluctuations seriously....

however, Pelosi and many others are trying to turn economic stability inside out with proposals like this......

that's what matters....

To some extent. But if you have people like Ted Cruz trying to reduce the amount of NASA's budget spent on studying the Earth - e.g. satellites to measure things and tell us what is actually happening on Earth, it tends to make me think that some would prefer to live in blissful ignorance. Also, some climatologists have said that at least for a while they had to run their datasets past higher-ups that were political appointees, not scientists, before they could even be released on the internet. And if you have people like Trump trying to revive coal production even though in some cases it isn't even that economical anymore compared to natural gas which is in any case, not as bad as coal regarding release of CO2, that also makes me think we don't really care about it.
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