Since NET is keeping its formula and last year’s results secret, RPI at least gives us previous seasons to compare with and a transparent, outcome-based calculation. 2018 ranking in parentheses.

1 BXII (1)
2 B1G (5)
3 Big East (2)
4 SEC (4)
5 ACC (3)
6 American (7)
7 PAC (6)
8 Mid-American (10)
9 West Coast (13)
10 IVY League (25)
11 Missouri Valley (8)
12 Conference USA (14)
13 Southern (16)
14 Atlantic 10 (11)
15 WAC (15)
16 Mountain West (9)
17 Sun Belt (20)
18 Colonial (12)
19 Horizon (26)
20 Atlantic Sun (30)
21 Big West (22)
22 Patriot (27)
23 Ohio Valley (18)
24 Northeast (28)
25 Big Sky (17)
26 America East (23)
27 Big South (24)
28 Summit (19)
29 Southland (29)
30 Metro Atlantic (21)
31 SWAC (32)
32 MEAC (31)

*IVY League has seen the biggest year-to-year improvement in RPI history, vaulting from 25th to top 10.
*Mid-American turns in its second straight top 10 season.
*American passes up PAC12.
*A10 misses top 10 in back-to-back years.
*Mountain West putting up its worst season since the formation of the conference...trailing a league whose membership they damn nearly entirely poached!
*Metro Atlantic has fallen from a 2-bid league a few years ago to D1’s worst non-HBCU league.
*Texas Southern’s dirty work over Baylor, Oregon, & Texas A&M catapults the SWAC out of the cellar.

(01-06-2019 02:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Since NET is keeping its formula and last year’s results secret, RPI at least gives us previous seasons to compare with and a transparent, outcome-based calculation. 2018 ranking in parentheses.

1 BXII (1)
2 B1G (5)
3 Big East (2)
4 SEC (4)
5 ACC (3)
6 American (7)
7 PAC (6)
8 Mid-American (10)
9 West Coast (13)
10 IVY League (25)
11 Missouri Valley (8)
12 Conference USA (14)
13 Southern (16)
14 Atlantic 10 (11)
15 WAC (15)
16 Mountain West (9)
17 Sun Belt (20)
18 Colonial (12)
19 Horizon (26)
20 Atlantic Sun (30)
21 Big West (22)
22 Patriot (27)
23 Ohio Valley (18)
24 Northeast (28)
25 Big Sky (17)
26 America East (23)
27 Big South (24)
28 Summit (19)
29 Southland (29)
30 Metro Atlantic (21)
31 SWAC (32)
32 MEAC (31)

*IVY League has seen the biggest year-to-year improvement in RPI history, vaulting from 25th to top 10.
*Mid-American turns in its second straight top 10 season.
*American passes up PAC12.
*A10 misses top 10 in back-to-back years.
*Mountain West putting up its worst season since the formation of the conference...trailing a league whose membership they damn nearly entirely poached!
*Metro Atlantic has fallen from a 2-bid league a few years ago to D1’s worst non-HBCU league.
*Texas Southern’s dirty work over Baylor, Oregon, & Texas A&M catapults the SWAC out of the cellar.

I would say that the season isn't over yet so these aren't final numbers...

Conference RPI is usually solid once you hit January from my observations.

MAC #8
Atlantic-10 #14


and UMass still under dillusion they are a baskeball power and joining the MAC all sports would have hurt their bad basketball program.

A-10 continues to deteriorates and will get worse when their next TV contract and payment is a clunker solid 1-bid conference outside the Top 10 from here out.

MAC is benefiting from the Horizon's decline to low major status.

They've lost Butler, Loyola and Valpo. Its just not the same conference anymore. Its more a peer with the Summit than the MAC these days.

MAC in the last 5-6 years has caught up in salaries to the MVC and is more of a direct peer than down a level as they were from 2000-2010.

A10 is gradually losing ground to expanded ACC, BE and AAC conferences. In 2010 they had a combined 26 members (ACC and BE). Today they have a combined 37 members not to mention taking the A10s top properties in Temple to AAC and Xavier to Big East.

The PAC is okay with getting in some years just a few teams in the NCAA tournament because most of the money is made on how far you go anyways.

But being permanently iced out of the 4 team playoff because it can't recruit with southern schools in recruiting I don't think is acceptable long term.

Either you expand and get Oklahoma in FB or you expand the playoff to 8 where once nice 4 star recruit can take a school into the top 10 is possible.

(01-06-2019 02:47 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Conference RPI is usually solid once you hit January from my observations.

Yeah, when you hit conference season you are generating a win and a loss per game, there isn't much conference RPI movement. May be more NET movement, I guess time will tell.

(01-06-2019 02:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  MAC is benefiting from the Horizon's decline to low major status.

They've lost Butler, Loyola and Valpo. Its just not the same conference anymore. Its more a peer with the Summit than the MAC these days.

I think the one-two punch of the A10 shedding one of its best members, also in the same turf as MAC with Xavier, then seeing this power program exodus in general from the A10 (Xavier, Butler, and Temple) helped the MAC.

But, yeah, the stuff happening in Horizon, MVC, and Summit is huge. MAC is a public school league and doesn’t have some of the political issues within between private school factions that we see in MVC and Horizon.

I think the first time going into conference play that the American is in the Top 6, and above the Pac-12 at that.

It's incredible that considering how bad the PAC has been this year, they are still only .02 points behind the AAC for the #6 spot.

(01-07-2019 09:54 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It's incredible that considering how bad the PAC has been this year, they are still only .02 points behind the AAC for the #6 spot.

That gap will grow.

You figure right now there are still 96 AAC conference and 98 P12 Cofnerence games left. The .1048 difference in OOC winning percentage(that's what it is between AAC and P12) will get factored in every single game- in the 50% part of the RPI.

The MAC is having its best year in 20 years, perhaps ever. MAC rosters are loaded with seniors. I'm expecting a decline next year. This is happening at the same time the A-10 has hit a rough patch. The A-10 will likely never reach the level it was 5-10 years ago before it got poached, but it still has some pretty good college basketball brands. I fully expect over the next 10 years it will outperform the MAC and this is coming from someone who wants to see the MAC do well.

(01-07-2019 11:23 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The MAC is having its best year in 20 years, perhaps ever. MAC rosters are loaded with seniors. I'm expecting a decline next year. This is happening at the same time the A-10 has hit a rough patch. The A-10 will likely never reach the level it was 5-10 years ago before it got poached, but it still has some pretty good college basketball brands. I fully expect over the next 10 years it will outperform the MAC and this is coming from someone who wants to see the MAC do well.

The A-10 will outperform the MAC over the long-term becuase its members have larger basketball budgets but the gap will be fairly small. The A-10 averaged 3.25 bids with Temple and Xavier in the conference. The A-10 will most likely be in the 1.5 - 1.75 bid range for the foreseeable future.

I think the A10 is also hurting because of some of the bigger brands outside the conference being back now.... Providence, Seton Hall, St John's to name 3. A10 kind of filled that void to some degree. Not any more... And if Uconn, Georgetown, Temple get back- that's going to make it even that much harder for the A10.

Wait a minute ... with SteveR posting about every single Big East OOC loss the past two months i had assumed the BEast must be a about #8 in RPI, behind the surging AAC for sure.

Go figure.

Big East had a few weeks that really saved it's OOC.

In the NET- the Big East and AAC are going to likely wind up #5/#6 end of season. Big East already #5 and AAC closing in on being #6.....

and yes, the Big East is no where as well set up in NET as they would be RPI...

In NET- Big East has 2 top 30 teams(tier 1 in both home/away for opponents) and 4 teams 31-75
In RPI- Big East has 4 top 30 teams and 2 31-75

Creighton in RPI is #30 right now. in NET they're #48. Huge difference. The NET cares more about who you beat. the RPI you can just play tough teams and lose and be good.

(01-07-2019 01:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the A10 is also hurting because of some of the bigger brands outside the conference being back now.... Providence, Seton Hall, St John's to name 3. A10 kind of filled that void to some degree. Not any more... And if Uconn, Georgetown, Temple get back- that's going to make it even that much harder for the A10.

Completely agree on both items. The creation of the NBE and AAC were devasting blows to the A10. One bid years are going to become significantly more common for the A10. It only happened once during the 18 years that Temple and Xavier were both in the conference.

(01-07-2019 01:02 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 11:23 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The MAC is having its best year in 20 years, perhaps ever. MAC rosters are loaded with seniors. I'm expecting a decline next year. This is happening at the same time the A-10 has hit a rough patch. The A-10 will likely never reach the level it was 5-10 years ago before it got poached, but it still has some pretty good college basketball brands. I fully expect over the next 10 years it will outperform the MAC and this is coming from someone who wants to see the MAC do well.

The A-10 will outperform the MAC over the long-term becuase its members have larger basketball budgets but the gap will be fairly small. The A-10 averaged 3.25 bids with Temple and Xavier in the conference. The A-10 will most likely be in the 1.5 - 1.75 bid range for the foreseeable future.

I fully agree with this assessment.

What's interesting is the total number of bids from each of those conferences since 2014 (year that the BE and AAC reformed):

A10: 6, 3, 3, 3, 3 = 18 total bids
AAC: 4, 2, 4, 2, 3 = 15 total bids
Big East: 4, 6, 5, 7, 6 = 28 total bids

Even taking away the unique six-bid year for the A10 in 2014, the A10 and AAC have had a relatively equal amount of bids between the two conferences (which is undoubtedly why the AAC needed to add Wichita State in 2017). Davidson and VCU will routinely compete for at-large (if not automatic) bids for the A10 in a given year, and recent years have shown that Rhode Island, Dayton, St. Joseph and St. Bonaventure can grab an at-large as well too.