(01-12-2019 10:43 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:34 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 03:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 10:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  ESPN has the clout because of EXPOSURE...for both football AND basketball (approx 85%-90% of the value of the contract is based on football ad revenue but Men's Basketball benefits from exposure).

CBS Sports nor NBC Sports can't match the exposure that all of ESPN Networks (and ABC) platforms can offer.

For AAC to jump to another TV Network...they would have to WAY overbid what ESPN offers (say ESPN only offers $4 Million but NBC Sports offers $8 Million).

Not true. Its not all or nothing. My guess is if ESPN is only willing to spend 4 million and NBC is offering 8 million---we likely work out a deal where we give NBC primary rights for 30 games for something near 8 million and we give ESPN secondary rights for 20 games at something near 4 million. Then ESPN+ and CBS Sports can open bidding on whats left.

So you think ESPN would only offer $4 Million for ALL the AAC rights yet if you give preferred rights (top games) to NBC for $8 Million...you really think ESPN will offer up $4 Million for the remaining scraps?

Well its not like primary gets #1-#30 and secondary gets #31-50.
The bidder paying $91M per year gets CCG and first choice each Saturday, plus some number more after the second $42M bidder gets second choice each Saturday, plus a third choice seven weeks / fourth choice other eight weeks for Thursday/Friday, plus whichever wants streaming filler gets some sort of "all after"

Mike Aresco, good points. However the AAC won’t get all the games on espn which means many games will fall on cbs-sn or other non Nielsen rated networks. So the AAC will be “MWC’d” (you suck because none of your games get ratings, even though we know cbs-sn doesn’t give ratings) by others. Like what the AAC posters do to the MWC the same will be flipped if the AAC goes to CBS-SN and espn owned Scum Belch and sMAC can say you suck, we get better ratings then you do. Because the Belch and sMAC are espn and AAC is on cbs-sn.
So AAC has to stay with ESPN. ESPN knows it. You know it. Going CBS-SN and Getting MWC’d would destroy this conference in exposure. So it’ll be low dollars and ESPN for the AAC.

I get what you are saying, but you are leaving out NBC. And they DO get ratings... So there is SOME leverage.

(01-12-2019 10:43 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:34 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 03:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 10:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  ESPN has the clout because of EXPOSURE...for both football AND basketball (approx 85%-90% of the value of the contract is based on football ad revenue but Men's Basketball benefits from exposure).

CBS Sports nor NBC Sports can't match the exposure that all of ESPN Networks (and ABC) platforms can offer.

For AAC to jump to another TV Network...they would have to WAY overbid what ESPN offers (say ESPN only offers $4 Million but NBC Sports offers $8 Million).

Not true. Its not all or nothing. My guess is if ESPN is only willing to spend 4 million and NBC is offering 8 million---we likely work out a deal where we give NBC primary rights for 30 games for something near 8 million and we give ESPN secondary rights for 20 games at something near 4 million. Then ESPN+ and CBS Sports can open bidding on whats left.

So you think ESPN would only offer $4 Million for ALL the AAC rights yet if you give preferred rights (top games) to NBC for $8 Million...you really think ESPN will offer up $4 Million for the remaining scraps?

Well its not like primary gets #1-#30 and secondary gets #31-50.
The bidder paying $91M per year gets CCG and first choice each Saturday, plus some number more after the second $42M bidder gets second choice each Saturday, plus a third choice seven weeks / fourth choice other eight weeks for Thursday/Friday, plus whichever wants streaming filler gets some sort of "all after"

Mike Aresco, good points. However the AAC won’t get all the games on espn which means many games will fall on cbs-sn or other non Nielsen rated networks. So the AAC will be “MWC’d” (you suck because none of your games get ratings, even though we know cbs-sn doesn’t give ratings) by others. Like what the AAC posters do to the MWC the same will be flipped if the AAC goes to CBS-SN and espn owned Scum Belch and sMAC can say you suck, we get better ratings then you do. Because the Belch and sMAC are espn and AAC is on cbs-sn.
So AAC has to stay with ESPN. ESPN knows it. You know it. Going CBS-SN and Getting MWC’d would destroy this conference in exposure. So it’ll be low dollars and ESPN for the AAC.

Its not going to be CBS-SN. They are notoriously cheap. They will be bidding against ESPN+ for the third tier stuff.

Here is the deal. ESPN needs to fill roughly 32 slots. They dont need the whole AAC pacakge---but they would love to get it as the stuff they dont use on ESPN/ABC/ESPN2/ESPNU would be a HUGE property for ESPN+.

NBC needs about 25 games--but it has to be first and second tier stuff.

CBS-Sports needs about 15 games.

ESPN+ would love to have the second tier rights to the AAC.

Then there are the wildcards---TNT, FOX, and the FANG companies.

If ESPN wants to low bid, they will still get some inventory from us---but its more than likely going to be second or third tier stuff. If they want the first pick and the creme of the crop games, they will have to competitively bid. I still think we end up with NBC paying about 50 million and getting the best package, ESPN gets a bit of a discount and gets a smaller package than they do now for about 40 million (about 25 games). We have CBS-Sports and ESPN+ bid for whats left and get 5-10 million for it. So we end up with about 100 million a year--or a bit over 8 million a team.

That said, dont be surprised if ESPN bids hard for all of it. My theory has always been that ESPN has already made its decision on the AAC. They chose to let half of the Big10 inventory go to FOX for 250 million a year. Instead of beating that offer, they just decided to use the best of the AAC to slip into those old Big10 slots. Its worked fine for ESPN because the AAC has performed quite well. So, even if they have to pay the AAC 100-150 million to fill those 32 slots---ESPN is still saving 100 to 150 million a year over what the Big10 would have cost. I think ESPN always knew the AAC wouldnt always be 20 million a year---but they are certain it wont cost anywhere near 250 million a year.

(01-12-2019 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 10:43 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:34 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 03:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Not true. Its not all or nothing. My guess is if ESPN is only willing to spend 4 million and NBC is offering 8 million---we likely work out a deal where we give NBC primary rights for 30 games for something near 8 million and we give ESPN secondary rights for 20 games at something near 4 million. Then ESPN+ and CBS Sports can open bidding on whats left.

So you think ESPN would only offer $4 Million for ALL the AAC rights yet if you give preferred rights (top games) to NBC for $8 Million...you really think ESPN will offer up $4 Million for the remaining scraps?

Well its not like primary gets #1-#30 and secondary gets #31-50.
The bidder paying $91M per year gets CCG and first choice each Saturday, plus some number more after the second $42M bidder gets second choice each Saturday, plus a third choice seven weeks / fourth choice other eight weeks for Thursday/Friday, plus whichever wants streaming filler gets some sort of "all after"

Mike Aresco, good points. However the AAC won’t get all the games on espn which means many games will fall on cbs-sn or other non Nielsen rated networks. So the AAC will be “MWC’d” (you suck because none of your games get ratings, even though we know cbs-sn doesn’t give ratings) by others. Like what the AAC posters do to the MWC the same will be flipped if the AAC goes to CBS-SN and espn owned Scum Belch and sMAC can say you suck, we get better ratings then you do. Because the Belch and sMAC are espn and AAC is on cbs-sn.
So AAC has to stay with ESPN. ESPN knows it. You know it. Going CBS-SN and Getting MWC’d would destroy this conference in exposure. So it’ll be low dollars and ESPN for the AAC.

Its not going to be CBS-SN. They are notoriously cheap. They will be bidding against ESPN+ for the third tier stuff.

Here is the deal. ESPN needs to fill roughly 32 slots. They dont need the whole AAC pacakge---but they would love to get it as the stuff they dont use on ESPN/ABC/ESPN2/ESPNU would be a HUGE property for ESPN+.

NBC needs about 25 games--but it has to be first and second tier stuff.

CBS-Sports needs about 15 games.

ESPN+ would love to have the second tier rights to the AAC.

Then there are the wildcards---TNT, FOX, and the FANG companies.

If ESPN wants to low bid, they will still get some inventory from us---but its more than likely going to be second or third tier stuff. If they want the first pick and the creme of the crop games, they will have to competitively bid. I still think we end up with NBC paying about 50 million and getting the best package, ESPN gets a bit of a discount and gets a smaller package than they do now for about 40 million (about 25 games). We have CBS-Sports and ESPN+ bid for whats left and get 5-10 million for it. So we end up with about 100 million a year--or a bit over 8 million a team.

That said, dont be surprised if ESPN bids hard for all of it. My theory has always been that ESPN has already made its decision on the AAC. They chose to let half of the Big10 inventory go to FOX for 250 million a year. Instead of beating that offer, they just decided to use the best of the AAC to slip into those old Big10 slots. Its worked fine for ESPN because the AAC has performed quite well. So, even if they have to pay the AAC 100-150 million to fill those 32 slots---ESPN is still saving 100 to 150 million a year over what the Big10 would have cost. I think ESPN always knew the AAC wouldnt always be 20 million a year---but they are certain it wont cost anywhere near 250 million a year.

Just curious on to why espn wants AAC so much when they didn’t want us when we were CUSA.

Because in the five years the AAC has existed we've delivered time and time again. CUSA wasn't getting a million viewers for most of their games. They weren't getting a sportscenter game every year. Plus it's an attitude/mindset thing. The AAC has from day 1 acted like a power conference with the results on the field to back it up. It's similar to the start up culture in silicone Valley-everyone is gunning to be the next big thing and we're starting to look like it. CUSA was a good conference, but they let Boise state and TCU overshadow good games on the field.

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(02-02-2019 08:48 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Army 70 P6 UH 14


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UH started the year thinking they would be in an NY6 bowl again and ended up having a horrible year for their standards and just were not up for this one.

(02-02-2019 08:48 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Army 70 P6 UH 14


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What a surprise lol, with out their defensive line an Army team that went to Norman and pushed play off team OU to overtime with a vicious option offense rang up some points and yards.

What a surprise lol, without their star make it all go QB they struggled to score against a defense that absolutely limited teams opportunities this year.

What a surprise lol, you're here to see how much money we're about to get paid. I guess when you're a fan of a conference who isn't good at sports you hang out with the fans of a conference who is.

(01-06-2019 01:07 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  This thread , or at least my input to it, will only address one half of the P6 equation, the (growing) separation of the AAC from the G4 conferences. I havent yet done the more extensive work to compare total, conference inventory, and intra-conference ratings for all ten conferences.

This builds off of work done a year ago, comparing million-viewer plus audiences for the non-contract-bowl conferences. Things have been a little hectic for the slh family and I can do this more back of the envelope.

As always, http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ is my go-to for the data.

2018 Season - million viewer games (and those bowl/CCG games that fell short).

AAC
Fiesta Bowl 8.471M
Army Navy 8.05M
UCF Mem (regular) 3.331M*
CCG 3.32 M
Cin UCF 3.09M
Ariz HOU 2.918M**
GT-USF 2.918M**
Military Bowl 2.663M
Armed Forces Bowl 2.577M
Birmingham Bowl 2.533M
ND-Navy 2.447M
USF-HOU 2.350M*
Independence Bowl 1.801M
Gasparilla Bowl 1.75M
UCF USF1.741M
FAU-UCF 1.295M
Tem-UCF 1.191M
USF-Tulsa 1.170M
Hou-TxTech 1.079M
TCU-SMU 1.076M
Cin-UCLA 1.008M
(* these games were reverse mirror, so even cutting in half greater than million.
** These two AAC games were reverse mirror of each other, so AAC-controlled game got ALL those viewers)

mwc
Las Vegas Bowl 3.334M
Frisco Bowl 1.447M
Servpro First Responder Bowl 1.445M
Boise-OkState 1.438M
Hawaii Bowl 1.159M
USU-Boise 1.078M
CCG 1.036M
New Mexico Bowl 968k

MAC
Ball State@ND 2.453M
Dollar General Mobile Bowl 1.698M
Frisco Bowl 1.447M
Potato Bowl 1.372M
Boca Raton Bowl 1.346M
Camellia Bowl 986k
Bahamas Bowl 838k
CCG 587k

CUSA
WKU@Wisc 1.409M
FAU@Oklahoma 1.385M
New Orleans Bowl 1.371M
Boca Raton Bowl 1.346M
FAU@UCF 1.295M
Hawaii Bowl 1.159M
New Mexico Bowl 968k
Bahamas Bowl 838k
(CCG was on CBSSN and not Nielsen rated)

SunBelt
Dollar General Mobile Bowl 1.698M
Ark.St.@ Bama 1.663M
New Orleans Bowl 1.371M
Camellia Bowl 986k
CCG 898k

BYU for comparison
@Wisconsin 2.913M
Potato Bowl 1.372M
@Washington 1.286M

2018 all games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 5, mwc 1
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 12, mwc 1, MAC 1, BYU 1
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 7, MAC 5, CUSA 6, SunBelt 3, BYU 3

2018 non-bowl games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 4, G4s/BYU 0
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 1
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 15, mwc 4, MAC 1, CUSA 3, SunBelt 1, BYU 2

2018 conference-controlled games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 3, G4s/BYU 0
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 6, G4s/BYU 0
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 11, mwc 2, all others 0

2018 intra-conference games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 3, G4s 0
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 4, G4s 0
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 7, mwc 2, all others 0

(01-07-2019 10:41 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  Man, we knew the hate was going to get real when P6 started, but the hatred for everything our schools stand for will grow exponentially in a few months.

It is going to get a lot worse, probably politically, trolling wise, and lets be honest = it could even get worse in other instances considering the unhealthy out there.

Stay the Course. The American is Pow6r, and is Rising to Acceptable TV Dollars.

Envy, not hate. AAC has zero bearing on MW. Now, Pac12, that’s another story. But I cannot hate them because they are their own worst enemy.

So, it would be kind of gratifying to see AAC surpass Pac12 in the 2 major sports. Already happening in basketball this year.

Keep up the good work, you lucky bastards.

(02-02-2019 08:48 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Army 70 P6 UH 14


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Where does Applewhite work now? He got fired and replaced by a winning P5 coach. Meanwhile in the MW—Sanchez will be returning to coach yet another year at UNLV. That’s the difference between a P6 schools and many other G5 schools in a nutshell.

(02-02-2019 09:34 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 01:07 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  This thread , or at least my input to it, will only address one half of the P6 equation, the (growing) separation of the AAC from the G4 conferences. I havent yet done the more extensive work to compare total, conference inventory, and intra-conference ratings for all ten conferences.

This builds off of work done a year ago, comparing million-viewer plus audiences for the non-contract-bowl conferences. Things have been a little hectic for the slh family and I can do this more back of the envelope.

As always, http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ is my go-to for the data.

2018 Season - million viewer games (and those bowl/CCG games that fell short).

AAC
Fiesta Bowl 8.471M
Army Navy 8.05M
UCF Mem (regular) 3.331M*
CCG 3.32 M
Cin UCF 3.09M
Ariz HOU 2.918M**
GT-USF 2.918M**
Military Bowl 2.663M
Armed Forces Bowl 2.577M
Birmingham Bowl 2.533M
ND-Navy 2.447M
USF-HOU 2.350M*
Independence Bowl 1.801M
Gasparilla Bowl 1.75M
UCF USF1.741M
FAU-UCF 1.295M
Tem-UCF 1.191M
USF-Tulsa 1.170M
Hou-TxTech 1.079M
TCU-SMU 1.076M
Cin-UCLA 1.008M
(* these games were reverse mirror, so even cutting in half greater than million.
** These two AAC games were reverse mirror of each other, so AAC-controlled game got ALL those viewers)

mwc
Las Vegas Bowl 3.334M
Frisco Bowl 1.447M
Servpro First Responder Bowl 1.445M
Boise-OkState 1.438M
Hawaii Bowl 1.159M
USU-Boise 1.078M
CCG 1.036M
New Mexico Bowl 968k

MAC
Ball State@ND 2.453M
Dollar General Mobile Bowl 1.698M
Frisco Bowl 1.447M
Potato Bowl 1.372M
Boca Raton Bowl 1.346M
Camellia Bowl 986k
Bahamas Bowl 838k
CCG 587k

CUSA
WKU@Wisc 1.409M
FAU@Oklahoma 1.385M
New Orleans Bowl 1.371M
Boca Raton Bowl 1.346M
FAU@UCF 1.295M
Hawaii Bowl 1.159M
New Mexico Bowl 968k
Bahamas Bowl 838k
(CCG was on CBSSN and not Nielsen rated)

SunBelt
Dollar General Mobile Bowl 1.698M
Ark.St.@ Bama 1.663M
New Orleans Bowl 1.371M
Camellia Bowl 986k
CCG 898k

BYU for comparison
@Wisconsin 2.913M
Potato Bowl 1.372M
@Washington 1.286M

2018 all games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 5, mwc 1
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 12, mwc 1, MAC 1, BYU 1
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 7, MAC 5, CUSA 6, SunBelt 3, BYU 3

2018 non-bowl games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 4, G4s/BYU 0
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 1
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 15, mwc 4, MAC 1, CUSA 3, SunBelt 1, BYU 2

2018 conference-controlled games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 3, G4s/BYU 0
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 6, G4s/BYU 0
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 11, mwc 2, all others 0

2018 intra-conference games
Greater than three million viewers: AAC 3, G4s 0
Greater than two million viewers: AAC 4, G4s 0
Greater than one million viewers: AAC 7, mwc 2, all others 0

(01-07-2019 10:41 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  Man, we knew the hate was going to get real when P6 started, but the hatred for everything our schools stand for will grow exponentially in a few months.

It is going to get a lot worse, probably politically, trolling wise, and lets be honest = it could even get worse in other instances considering the unhealthy out there.

Stay the Course. The American is Pow6r, and is Rising to Acceptable TV Dollars.

Envy, not hate. AAC has zero bearing on MW. Now, Pac12, that’s another story. But I cannot hate them because they are their own worst enemy.

So, it would be kind of gratifying to see AAC surpass Pac12 in the 2 major sports. Already happening in basketball this year.

Keep up the good work, you lucky bastards.

Okay I like Fresnofanatic, Invite Fresno and whoever they want into AAC.

(02-03-2019 09:59 AM)Starfox207 Wrote:  Okay I like Fresnofanatic, Invite Fresno and whoever they want into AAC.

There were quite a few fans on the Fresno board cheering and/or making fun of the Milton injury. I'd rather California fall into the Pacific than share a conference with any of them.

(02-02-2019 04:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Just curious on to why espn wants AAC so much when they didn’t want us when we were CUSA.

So the question is, what does the AAC of 2018 have to offer that CUSA of 2013 did not? While I haven't even finished comprehensive crunching of all ten conferences for 2018 much less gone back to 2013., it is really easy to skim the cream -- look at the top viewed games -- and compare.
Back to my original post, this is what the AAC is selling, with bolded games being in the inventory for sale:

AAC
Fiesta Bowl 8.471M
Army Navy 8.05M
UCF Mem (regular) 3.331M
CCG 3.32 M
Cin UCF 3.09M
Ariz HOU 2.918M
GT-USF 2.918M
Military Bowl 2.663M
Armed Forces Bowl 2.577M
Birmingham Bowl 2.533M
ND-Navy 2.447M
USF-HOU 2.350M
Independence Bowl 1.801M
Gasparilla Bowl 1.75M
UCF USF1.741M
FAU-UCF 1.295M
Tem-UCF 1.191M
USF-Tulsa 1.170M
Hou-TxTech 1.079M
TCU-SMU 1.076M
Cin-UCLA 1.008M

Then I went back to 2013 https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...rchived/3/ for the CUSA's games in that year. One bowl game got relegated to ESPNU for 332k viewers, and CUSA's other five bowl games did what bowls do: 1.27M, 1.65M, 2.07M, 2.47M, and 2.58M. Three OOC away games did good: Rice at Texas A&M 4.21M, UTEP at Texas A&M 1.12M, and Tulsa at Oklahoma 1.03M. Looks like the CUSA CCG got 449k viewers.

CUSA '13 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 0
AAC '18 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 11, 7 of which were intra-conference games. 6 conference controlled (4 of them intra-conference) went over two million. 3 (all of which were intra-conference) went over three million.

I looked at 2012, when 7 of the current AAC teams were CUSA. Southern Miss went to Nebraska and 3.5M watched on TV. The CCG game got 590k. No CUSA inventory got a million viewers.

5 of those 7 2012 CUSA teams are represented in the list of AAC 2018 million-viewer games.
Interestingly, the two 2012 CUSA CCG participants who drew 590k are now in the AAC; the two 2018 AAC CCG participants who drew 3.32M were in CUSA in 2012.

(02-04-2019 05:09 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 04:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Just curious on to why espn wants AAC so much when they didn’t want us when we were CUSA.

So the question is, what does the AAC of 2018 have to offer that CUSA of 2013 did not? While I haven't even finished comprehensive crunching of all ten conferences for 2018 much less gone back to 2013., it is really easy to skim the cream -- look at the top viewed games -- and compare.
Back to my original post, this is what the AAC is selling, with bolded games being in the inventory for sale:

AAC
Fiesta Bowl 8.471M
Army Navy 8.05M
UCF Mem (regular) 3.331M
CCG 3.32 M
Cin UCF 3.09M
Ariz HOU 2.918M
GT-USF 2.918M
Military Bowl 2.663M
Armed Forces Bowl 2.577M
Birmingham Bowl 2.533M
ND-Navy 2.447M
USF-HOU 2.350M
Independence Bowl 1.801M
Gasparilla Bowl 1.75M
UCF USF1.741M
FAU-UCF 1.295M
Tem-UCF 1.191M
USF-Tulsa 1.170M
Hou-TxTech 1.079M
TCU-SMU 1.076M
Cin-UCLA 1.008M

Then I went back to 2013 https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...rchived/3/ for the CUSA's games in that year. One bowl game got relegated to ESPNU for 332k viewers, and CUSA's other five bowl games did what bowls do: 1.27M, 1.65M, 2.07M, 2.47M, and 2.58M. Three OOC away games did good: Rice at Texas A&M 4.21M, UTEP at Texas A&M 1.12M, and Tulsa at Oklahoma 1.03M. Looks like the CUSA CCG got 449k viewers.

CUSA '13 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 0
AAC '18 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 11, 7 of which were intra-conference games. 6 conference controlled (4 of them intra-conference) went over two million. 3 (all of which were intra-conference) went over three million.

I looked at 2012, when 7 of the current AAC teams were CUSA. Southern Miss went to Nebraska and 3.5M watched on TV. The CCG game got 590k. No CUSA inventory got a million viewers.

5 of those 7 2012 CUSA teams are represented in the list of AAC 2018 million-viewer games.
Interestingly, the two 2012 CUSA CCG participants who drew 590k are now in the AAC; the two 2018 AAC CCG participants who drew 3.32M were in CUSA in 2012.

Of course the ratings are better now because of the espn contract compared to that terrible cusa contract full of games on non-national tv stations...the cbs-sn foxsports stuff. I guess you could argue that the schools have gained enormous boosts in popularity in the past 6 years? It would be a wonderful thought.

(02-04-2019 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 05:09 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 04:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Just curious on to why espn wants AAC so much when they didn’t want us when we were CUSA.

So the question is, what does the AAC of 2018 have to offer that CUSA of 2013 did not? While I haven't even finished comprehensive crunching of all ten conferences for 2018 much less gone back to 2013., it is really easy to skim the cream -- look at the top viewed games -- and compare.
Back to my original post, this is what the AAC is selling, with bolded games being in the inventory for sale:

AAC
Fiesta Bowl 8.471M
Army Navy 8.05M
UCF Mem (regular) 3.331M
CCG 3.32 M
Cin UCF 3.09M
Ariz HOU 2.918M
GT-USF 2.918M
Military Bowl 2.663M
Armed Forces Bowl 2.577M
Birmingham Bowl 2.533M
ND-Navy 2.447M
USF-HOU 2.350M
Independence Bowl 1.801M
Gasparilla Bowl 1.75M
UCF USF1.741M
FAU-UCF 1.295M
Tem-UCF 1.191M
USF-Tulsa 1.170M
Hou-TxTech 1.079M
TCU-SMU 1.076M
Cin-UCLA 1.008M

Then I went back to 2013 https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...rchived/3/ for the CUSA's games in that year. One bowl game got relegated to ESPNU for 332k viewers, and CUSA's other five bowl games did what bowls do: 1.27M, 1.65M, 2.07M, 2.47M, and 2.58M. Three OOC away games did good: Rice at Texas A&M 4.21M, UTEP at Texas A&M 1.12M, and Tulsa at Oklahoma 1.03M. Looks like the CUSA CCG got 449k viewers.

CUSA '13 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 0
AAC '18 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 11, 7 of which were intra-conference games. 6 conference controlled (4 of them intra-conference) went over two million. 3 (all of which were intra-conference) went over three million.

I looked at 2012, when 7 of the current AAC teams were CUSA. Southern Miss went to Nebraska and 3.5M watched on TV. The CCG game got 590k. No CUSA inventory got a million viewers.

5 of those 7 2012 CUSA teams are represented in the list of AAC 2018 million-viewer games.
Interestingly, the two 2012 CUSA CCG participants who drew 590k are now in the AAC; the two 2018 AAC CCG participants who drew 3.32M were in CUSA in 2012.

Of course the ratings are better now because of the espn contract compared to that terrible cusa contract full of games on non-national tv stations...the cbs-sn foxsports stuff. I guess you could argue that the schools have gained enormous boosts in popularity in the past 6 years? It would be a wonderful thought.

It’s not just a thought, but reality. In an interview after last season, Dr. Rudd talked about a $3M gift that came about due to athletic visibility. The donor had no prior connections to the school or city, but became a fan of the football program. BTW, the donation went mostly to academics...which is what athletics are supposed to do. It’s crazy to think of Memphis football generating eyeballs, but they do and the school has benefited.

(02-04-2019 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 05:09 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 04:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Just curious on to why espn wants AAC so much when they didn’t want us when we were CUSA.

So the question is, what does the AAC of 2018 have to offer that CUSA of 2013 did not? While I haven't even finished comprehensive crunching of all ten conferences for 2018 much less gone back to 2013., it is really easy to skim the cream -- look at the top viewed games -- and compare.
Back to my original post, this is what the AAC is selling, with bolded games being in the inventory for sale:

AAC
Fiesta Bowl 8.471M
Army Navy 8.05M
UCF Mem (regular) 3.331M
CCG 3.32 M
Cin UCF 3.09M
Ariz HOU 2.918M
GT-USF 2.918M
Military Bowl 2.663M
Armed Forces Bowl 2.577M
Birmingham Bowl 2.533M
ND-Navy 2.447M
USF-HOU 2.350M
Independence Bowl 1.801M
Gasparilla Bowl 1.75M
UCF USF1.741M
FAU-UCF 1.295M
Tem-UCF 1.191M
USF-Tulsa 1.170M
Hou-TxTech 1.079M
TCU-SMU 1.076M
Cin-UCLA 1.008M

Then I went back to 2013 https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...rchived/3/ for the CUSA's games in that year. One bowl game got relegated to ESPNU for 332k viewers, and CUSA's other five bowl games did what bowls do: 1.27M, 1.65M, 2.07M, 2.47M, and 2.58M. Three OOC away games did good: Rice at Texas A&M 4.21M, UTEP at Texas A&M 1.12M, and Tulsa at Oklahoma 1.03M. Looks like the CUSA CCG got 449k viewers.

CUSA '13 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 0
AAC '18 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 11, 7 of which were intra-conference games. 6 conference controlled (4 of them intra-conference) went over two million. 3 (all of which were intra-conference) went over three million.

I looked at 2012, when 7 of the current AAC teams were CUSA. Southern Miss went to Nebraska and 3.5M watched on TV. The CCG game got 590k. No CUSA inventory got a million viewers.

5 of those 7 2012 CUSA teams are represented in the list of AAC 2018 million-viewer games.
Interestingly, the two 2012 CUSA CCG participants who drew 590k are now in the AAC; the two 2018 AAC CCG participants who drew 3.32M were in CUSA in 2012.

Of course the ratings are better now because of the espn contract compared to that terrible cusa contract full of games on non-national tv stations...the cbs-sn foxsports stuff. I guess you could argue that the schools have gained enormous boosts in popularity in the past 6 years? It would be a wonderful thought.

Sure, better slots on better networks get better ratings. On the other hand, AAC games are getting those better slots because they deliver.
2012 CUSA ccg pitted UCF vs Tulsa for 590k viewers.
2018 AAC ccg pitted UCF against Memphis, another team that was also in CUSA in 2012, and got FIVE times the audience. That was on ABC instead of ESPN2, but it was on ABC because Disney thought it merited being on ABC. And that 3.32M was head to head against the SEC ccg with playoff implications.
If you can look at those facts and still choose to believe that it's all the same, then I can't do anything to help you.

(02-04-2019 09:22 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 08:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 05:09 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 04:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Just curious on to why espn wants AAC so much when they didn’t want us when we were CUSA.

So the question is, what does the AAC of 2018 have to offer that CUSA of 2013 did not? While I haven't even finished comprehensive crunching of all ten conferences for 2018 much less gone back to 2013., it is really easy to skim the cream -- look at the top viewed games -- and compare.
Back to my original post, this is what the AAC is selling, with bolded games being in the inventory for sale:

AAC
Fiesta Bowl 8.471M
Army Navy 8.05M
UCF Mem (regular) 3.331M
CCG 3.32 M
Cin UCF 3.09M
Ariz HOU 2.918M
GT-USF 2.918M
Military Bowl 2.663M
Armed Forces Bowl 2.577M
Birmingham Bowl 2.533M
ND-Navy 2.447M
USF-HOU 2.350M
Independence Bowl 1.801M
Gasparilla Bowl 1.75M
UCF USF1.741M
FAU-UCF 1.295M
Tem-UCF 1.191M
USF-Tulsa 1.170M
Hou-TxTech 1.079M
TCU-SMU 1.076M
Cin-UCLA 1.008M

Then I went back to 2013 https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...rchived/3/ for the CUSA's games in that year. One bowl game got relegated to ESPNU for 332k viewers, and CUSA's other five bowl games did what bowls do: 1.27M, 1.65M, 2.07M, 2.47M, and 2.58M. Three OOC away games did good: Rice at Texas A&M 4.21M, UTEP at Texas A&M 1.12M, and Tulsa at Oklahoma 1.03M. Looks like the CUSA CCG got 449k viewers.

CUSA '13 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 0
AAC '18 conference controlled games over one million viewers: 11, 7 of which were intra-conference games. 6 conference controlled (4 of them intra-conference) went over two million. 3 (all of which were intra-conference) went over three million.

I looked at 2012, when 7 of the current AAC teams were CUSA. Southern Miss went to Nebraska and 3.5M watched on TV. The CCG game got 590k. No CUSA inventory got a million viewers.

5 of those 7 2012 CUSA teams are represented in the list of AAC 2018 million-viewer games.
Interestingly, the two 2012 CUSA CCG participants who drew 590k are now in the AAC; the two 2018 AAC CCG participants who drew 3.32M were in CUSA in 2012.

Of course the ratings are better now because of the espn contract compared to that terrible cusa contract full of games on non-national tv stations...the cbs-sn foxsports stuff. I guess you could argue that the schools have gained enormous boosts in popularity in the past 6 years? It would be a wonderful thought.

It’s not just a thought, but reality. In an interview after last season, Dr. Rudd talked about a $3M gift that came about due to athletic visibility. The donor had no prior connections to the school or city, but became a fan of the football program. BTW, the donation went mostly to academics...which is what athletics are supposed to do. It’s crazy to think of Memphis football generating eyeballs, but they do and the school has benefited.

A nice front porch, a cold glass of sweet tea, and some southern hospitality have always worked wonders.

there were 6 BCS conf in 2012
C-USA would be down a slot

(02-04-2019 10:35 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  there were 6 BCS conf in 2012
C-USA would be down a slot

Well, I mean, they're right where they have always been... below the top 6. I think there is a faction (no, I didn't say fraction) of fans out there who recognize that the number of conferences at the top really don't change. That is because the number of quality players coming out of high school every year really don't change. If anything, there are more, not less. They have to go play somewhere. There are a number of good coaches. They have to coach somewhere.

Point being, if there are 6 quality conferences worth of teams and players and coaches in 2010, then it only stands to reason there are the same number in 2020. So people are gonna watch the top 6 conferences if they are on TV on any given Saturday.