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(01-08-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(01-08-2019 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Not sure how. Its the defense of the border. Caravans of 15K are marching toward the border monthly. We have had an illegal alien issue for half a century which is getting worse. He's already been forced to send troops to border. And frankly--he's doing something that most of the Democrats voting against the measure have already either agreed to do or have said needed to be done. What---70% of the nation agrees that we have a serious issue on the border than that we need a wall.

I mean, the Dems will venue shop to make sure they win the initial round in court---but Trump has basically loaded the SC so that liberal non-sense wont fly once it hits the Supreme Court. I think its probably time for the Democrats to end the Schumer Shutdown and vote to fund the wall. Its all politics on their side. Nobody with common sense thinks it makes sense to shut down the government to prevent a wall from being built. Chuck and Nancy are losing the common sense argument with the common people, but what else is new....

Is it? Do you have a source for this?


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illega...tatistics/

Pay attention to the number of apprehensions not just the number of illegal immigrants.

Right...and...

Quote:How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017.

The ones from the previous years dont leave. The issue is cumulative--thus its getting worse every year. As for illegal immigration rising or falling in any given year---who knows? The numbers are never going to be anything more than a sophisticated wild azz guess. Its not like there is paperwork for every person crossing the border illegally. These people are trying to stay off the grid---so Im virtually certain any number out there is understating the number of illegals in the US as well as the number crossing illegally in any given year. No agency who's job is to stop illegals is likely to say they are doing a terrible job of stemming the tide. If you've ever dealt with any illegals personally---you'd know that 10 to 20 laborers will often live in a single apartment. How do you even start to figure how many people are in the nation when they are actively hiding from detection.

This.
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(01-08-2019 04:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:24 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Is it? Do you have a source for this?


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illega...tatistics/

Pay attention to the number of apprehensions not just the number of illegal immigrants.

Right...and...

Quote:How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017.

The ones from the previous years dont leave. The issue is cumulative--thus its getting worse every year. As for illegal immigration rising or falling in any given year---who knows? The numbers are never going to be anything more than a sophisticated wild azz guess. Its not like there is paperwork for every person crossing the border illegally. These people are trying to stay off the grid---so Im virtually certain any number out there is understating the number of illegals in the US as well as the number crossing illegally in any given year. No agency who's job is to stop illegals is likely to say they are doing a terrible job of stemming the tide. If you've ever dealt with any illegals personally---you'd know that 10 to 20 laborers will often live in a single apartment. How do you even start to figure how many people are in the nation when they are actively hiding from detection.

This.

And what will a wall do for this? N O T H I N G !
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(01-08-2019 04:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 04:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:24 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illega...tatistics/

Pay attention to the number of apprehensions not just the number of illegal immigrants.

Right...and...

Quote:How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017.

The ones from the previous years dont leave. The issue is cumulative--thus its getting worse every year. As for illegal immigration rising or falling in any given year---who knows? The numbers are never going to be anything more than a sophisticated wild azz guess. Its not like there is paperwork for every person crossing the border illegally. These people are trying to stay off the grid---so Im virtually certain any number out there is understating the number of illegals in the US as well as the number crossing illegally in any given year. No agency who's job is to stop illegals is likely to say they are doing a terrible job of stemming the tide. If you've ever dealt with any illegals personally---you'd know that 10 to 20 laborers will often live in a single apartment. How do you even start to figure how many people are in the nation when they are actively hiding from detection.

This.

And what will a wall do for this? N O T H I N G !

Walls work Tom. The El Paso, San Diego, etc., fence systems work. Turkey built a wall long the entire border with Syria, because refugees were pouring in there. Now there are refugee camps next to the wall on the Syrian side because they can't walk into Turkey anymore.
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There are social and societal repercussions of the wall that no one is discussing.

If you build the wall and substantially reduce illegal border crossings, then people have to choose which country they will live in. The back and forth migration will essentially cease.

The effect of that is enormous. Once a person and/or family become rooted in one country, they will be assimilated within two generations.

This is why "the melting pot" has worked in the past. The European immigrants that came here couldn't afford to go home or they didn't want to go home. Within fifty years or so they became essentially Americanized.

Border crossers are different because they can go home anytime they like. If you change that, you will change their behavior and their culture will be absorbed as the previous immigrants have been.

It's a big deal, and without the wall, the culture clash will escalate. With it, it will slowly dissipate.
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(01-08-2019 05:13 PM)Claw Wrote:  There are social and societal repercussions of the wall that no one is discussing.

If you build the wall and substantially reduce illegal border crossings, then people have to choose which country they will live in. The back and forth migration will essentially cease.

The effect of that is enormous. Once a person and/or family become rooted in one country, they will be assimilated within two generations.

This is why "the melting pot" has worked in the past. The European immigrants that came here couldn't afford to go home or they didn't want to go home. Within fifty years or so they became essentially Americanized.

Border crossers are different because they can go home anytime they like. If you change that, you will change their behavior and their culture will be absorbed as the previous immigrants have been.

It's a big deal, and without the wall, the culture clash will escalate. With it, it will slowly dissipate.

+3 Excellent points!

I work with lots of (legal) immigrants from India. They come here for school or work, then they have kids.

Those kids are raised in an immigrant household but also in an American society. They go to school, interact with friends, play sports, join clubs, etc.

When my coworkers "go home" for an extended visit (usually 3 weeks), they tell after a few days in India their kids can't wait to "go home".

The kids' home? America


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(01-08-2019 04:52 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 04:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 04:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Right...and...

The ones from the previous years dont leave. The issue is cumulative--thus its getting worse every year. As for illegal immigration rising or falling in any given year---who knows? The numbers are never going to be anything more than a sophisticated wild azz guess. Its not like there is paperwork for every person crossing the border illegally. These people are trying to stay off the grid---so Im virtually certain any number out there is understating the number of illegals in the US as well as the number crossing illegally in any given year. No agency who's job is to stop illegals is likely to say they are doing a terrible job of stemming the tide. If you've ever dealt with any illegals personally---you'd know that 10 to 20 laborers will often live in a single apartment. How do you even start to figure how many people are in the nation when they are actively hiding from detection.

This.

And what will a wall do for this? N O T H I N G !

Walls work Tom. The El Paso, San Diego, etc., fence systems work. Turkey built a wall long the entire border with Syria, because refugees were pouring in there. Now there are refugee camps next to the wall on the Syrian side because they can't walk into Turkey anymore.

Not always, but no one is arguing that the CURRENT walls and fences around the major areas are not working or not necessary. My point is that we don't need much more in the way of a wall then what we already have. The alleged crisis pushed by this administration, drugs and gangs, is occurring at designed points of entry where walls and fences already exist. I'm fine with increasing the budget to fortify those locations and improve security and screenings.
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(01-09-2019 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not always, but no one is arguing that the CURRENT walls and fences around the major areas are not working or not necessary. My point is that we don't need much more in the way of a wall then what we already have. The alleged crisis pushed by this administration, drugs and gangs, is occurring at designed points of entry where walls and fences already exist. I'm fine with increasing the budget to fortify those locations and improve security and screenings.

The idea of a wall from one end of the border to the other is wasteful. But walls do work in certain areas, and some significant extensions/additions are probably justified.

When the choice is one of two extremes--open borders or a wall--I tend to come down more on the side of the wall. But what we really need is a rational comprehensive immigration policy. Wall or no wall, without a rational immigration policy, we're setting ourselves up for nothing but dueling soundbites about "women and children" versus "rapists and murderers." The bottom line is that there are some of both, and we need a rational policy that distinguishes between them.
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(01-09-2019 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not always, but no one is arguing that the CURRENT walls and fences around the major areas are not working or not necessary. My point is that we don't need much more in the way of a wall then what we already have. The alleged crisis pushed by this administration, drugs and gangs, is occurring at designed points of entry where walls and fences already exist. I'm fine with increasing the budget to fortify those locations and improve security and screenings.

The idea of a wall from one end of the border to the other is wasteful. But walls do work in certain areas, and some significant extensions/additions are probably justified.

When the choice is one of two extremes--open borders or a wall--I tend to come down more on the side of the wall. But what we really need is a rational comprehensive immigration policy. Wall or no wall, without a rational immigration policy, we're setting ourselves up for nothing but dueling soundbites about "women and children" versus "rapists and murderers." The bottom line is that there are some of both, and we need a rational policy that distinguishes between them.

The only thing I take issue with here is the notion that anyone in a position of power is working toward a totally open border. There's NO realistic chance of that EVER occurring, so why even mention it as a "choice"?
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I wonder if Mr. Trump was watching Fox & Friends this morning...

Quote:"Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade warned President Trump Thursday morning not to declare a national emergency to build a border wall without getting congressional approval, arguing it would set "a terrible precedent."

"It would be a disaster in the big picture and it would show us being inept and unable to govern around the world," Kilmeade said. "It would set a terrible precedent."

“The next president, if it is a liberal president, will say a state of emergency will be climate change," he added. "Look at what happened with [Hurricane] Sandy, look at what happened with the earthquake, look at what’s happening to the polar bears, who’ve no place to walk on ice.”

"This would be a bad sign that the courts are forced to do something that politicians can't," Kilmeade concluded.

The commentary comes as the partial government shutdown reached its 20th day on Thursday with no compromise on the horizon.

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(01-09-2019 09:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not always, but no one is arguing that the CURRENT walls and fences around the major areas are not working or not necessary. My point is that we don't need much more in the way of a wall then what we already have. The alleged crisis pushed by this administration, drugs and gangs, is occurring at designed points of entry where walls and fences already exist. I'm fine with increasing the budget to fortify those locations and improve security and screenings.

The idea of a wall from one end of the border to the other is wasteful. But walls do work in certain areas, and some significant extensions/additions are probably justified.

When the choice is one of two extremes--open borders or a wall--I tend to come down more on the side of the wall. But what we really need is a rational comprehensive immigration policy. Wall or no wall, without a rational immigration policy, we're setting ourselves up for nothing but dueling soundbites about "women and children" versus "rapists and murderers." The bottom line is that there are some of both, and we need a rational policy that distinguishes between them.

As has been said many times, NOBODY in DC is proposing a continuous 2000 mile wall from the Pacific to the Gulf. NOBODY.

You must watch too much MSM spreading falsehoods and nonsense.
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There is a solution to this problem. (if you perceive it a problem) Congress can vote to remove said powers from the president.
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(01-09-2019 09:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not always, but no one is arguing that the CURRENT walls and fences around the major areas are not working or not necessary. My point is that we don't need much more in the way of a wall then what we already have. The alleged crisis pushed by this administration, drugs and gangs, is occurring at designed points of entry where walls and fences already exist. I'm fine with increasing the budget to fortify those locations and improve security and screenings.

The idea of a wall from one end of the border to the other is wasteful. But walls do work in certain areas, and some significant extensions/additions are probably justified.

When the choice is one of two extremes--open borders or a wall--I tend to come down more on the side of the wall. But what we really need is a rational comprehensive immigration policy. Wall or no wall, without a rational immigration policy, we're setting ourselves up for nothing but dueling soundbites about "women and children" versus "rapists and murderers." The bottom line is that there are some of both, and we need a rational policy that distinguishes between them.

The only thing I take issue with here is the notion that anyone in a position of power is working toward a totally open border. There's NO realistic chance of that EVER occurring, so why even mention it as a "choice"?

Semantically, we can say we don't have an open border with Mexico. However, when political parties actively ignore and/or willfully violate federal immigration laws, then we effectively have an open border.

A person crosses the Mexico-US border. Once in the US he is an illegal. He is caught by Border Patrol. They write up the arrest report, notify the illegal and send him on his merry way. This is basically "catch-and-release."

Though the illegal was actually arrested and given a court date, the illegal is allowed to remain in the U.S.

If the illegal chooses to skip/no-show his court date, then what?

Let's say he's detained by police in, say, a Sanctuary City. Once the police finish with the illegal the authorities choose NOT to notify ICE.

You tell me how these policies do not effectively equate to an open border.
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(01-08-2019 04:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 04:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:24 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illega...tatistics/

Pay attention to the number of apprehensions not just the number of illegal immigrants.

Right...and...

Quote:How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017.

The ones from the previous years dont leave. The issue is cumulative--thus its getting worse every year. As for illegal immigration rising or falling in any given year---who knows? The numbers are never going to be anything more than a sophisticated wild azz guess. Its not like there is paperwork for every person crossing the border illegally. These people are trying to stay off the grid---so Im virtually certain any number out there is understating the number of illegals in the US as well as the number crossing illegally in any given year. No agency who's job is to stop illegals is likely to say they are doing a terrible job of stemming the tide. If you've ever dealt with any illegals personally---you'd know that 10 to 20 laborers will often live in a single apartment. How do you even start to figure how many people are in the nation when they are actively hiding from detection.

This.

And what will a wall do for this? N O T H I N G !

Im always a little shocked when people who I actually think are clearly intelligent say things that just fly in the face of logical common sense and fact. I feel certain you must have misunderstood my post. When you stop adding to a cumulative problem---the problem stops getting worse. Thats the first step toward solving the issue. Everyone has known this for almost 4 decades---but nobody has done anything about it.
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(01-04-2019 04:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:23 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I think the vast majority of Americans would be on board with it, given that most approve of the wall.

Source?

And you do realize he's talking about taking money from the Department of Defense of America and not Mexico, right?

I actually realize that the entire "Mexico will pay for the wall" comment never meant Mexico would write a check prior to construction.

So that dis doesn't work on me.

I think most people understand that Mexico will inevitably pay for the wall.

Mexico knows it, too.

Money will stay in the US that used to flow to Mexico.

Money that stays in the US will be taxed.

There's many different ways that Mexico will pay for the wall.

And if it comes to fruition, they'll pay dearly.

Trump said Mexico would make a one time payment of 5-10 billion dollars.
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(01-10-2019 07:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 04:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 04:25 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Right...and...

The ones from the previous years dont leave. The issue is cumulative--thus its getting worse every year. As for illegal immigration rising or falling in any given year---who knows? The numbers are never going to be anything more than a sophisticated wild azz guess. Its not like there is paperwork for every person crossing the border illegally. These people are trying to stay off the grid---so Im virtually certain any number out there is understating the number of illegals in the US as well as the number crossing illegally in any given year. No agency who's job is to stop illegals is likely to say they are doing a terrible job of stemming the tide. If you've ever dealt with any illegals personally---you'd know that 10 to 20 laborers will often live in a single apartment. How do you even start to figure how many people are in the nation when they are actively hiding from detection.

This.

And what will a wall do for this? N O T H I N G !

Im always a little shocked when people who I actually think are clearly intelligent say things that just fly in the face of logical common sense and fact. I feel certain you must have misunderstood my post. When you stop adding to a cumulative problem---the problem stops getting worse. Thats the first step toward solving the issue. Everyone has known this for almost 4 decades---but nobody has done anything about it.

Well it was 30 years ago it was a 3 million problem and Reagan mistakenly thought he solved it by providing them a path to citizenship. It was a huge blunder. But its been known and ignored for at least the last 25 years.
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(01-10-2019 11:08 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:23 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I think the vast majority of Americans would be on board with it, given that most approve of the wall.

Source?

And you do realize he's talking about taking money from the Department of Defense of America and not Mexico, right?

I actually realize that the entire "Mexico will pay for the wall" comment never meant Mexico would write a check prior to construction.

So that dis doesn't work on me.

I think most people understand that Mexico will inevitably pay for the wall.

Mexico knows it, too.

Money will stay in the US that used to flow to Mexico.

Money that stays in the US will be taxed.

There's many different ways that Mexico will pay for the wall.

And if it comes to fruition, they'll pay dearly.

Trump said Mexico would make a one time payment of 5-10 billion dollars.

He explained that in an interview this morning saying that Mexico would be paying for it as contained within the savings the U.S. would receive from the modified trade bill with Mexico.

BTW: I'm pretty sure that he could classify this as an Emergency Spending Bill for National Defense. It will be very hard for this to be declared a partisan issue when the effect will be to secure the rights of all "citizens" and to protect the massive cash outlay to accommodate illegals, which affects all taxpayers.

Now if the bill disenfranchised actual taxpaying citizens perhaps an argument against could be made. But it doesn't.
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(01-10-2019 11:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:08 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:23 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I think the vast majority of Americans would be on board with it, given that most approve of the wall.

Source?

And you do realize he's talking about taking money from the Department of Defense of America and not Mexico, right?

I actually realize that the entire "Mexico will pay for the wall" comment never meant Mexico would write a check prior to construction.

So that dis doesn't work on me.

I think most people understand that Mexico will inevitably pay for the wall.

Mexico knows it, too.

Money will stay in the US that used to flow to Mexico.

Money that stays in the US will be taxed.

There's many different ways that Mexico will pay for the wall.

And if it comes to fruition, they'll pay dearly.

Trump said Mexico would make a one time payment of 5-10 billion dollars.

He explained that in an interview this morning saying that Mexico would be paying for it as contained within the savings the U.S. would receive from the modified trade bill with Mexico.

BTW: I'm pretty sure that he could classify this as an Emergency Spending Bill for National Defense. It will be very hard for this to be declared a partisan issue when the effect will be to secure the rights of all "citizens" and to protect the massive cash outlay to accommodate illegals, which affects all taxpayers.

Now if the bill disenfranchised actual taxpaying citizens perhaps an argument against could be made. But it doesn't.

He said Mexico would write a one time check for 5-10 million dollars. Since that didn’t happen he’s now selling y’all a different pig in a poke.

It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.
01-11-2019 07:44 AM
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RE: trump Considering Declaring National Emergency to Build Wall
(01-11-2019 07:44 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:08 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Source?

And you do realize he's talking about taking money from the Department of Defense of America and not Mexico, right?

I actually realize that the entire "Mexico will pay for the wall" comment never meant Mexico would write a check prior to construction.

So that dis doesn't work on me.

I think most people understand that Mexico will inevitably pay for the wall.

Mexico knows it, too.

Money will stay in the US that used to flow to Mexico.

Money that stays in the US will be taxed.

There's many different ways that Mexico will pay for the wall.

And if it comes to fruition, they'll pay dearly.

Trump said Mexico would make a one time payment of 5-10 billion dollars.

He explained that in an interview this morning saying that Mexico would be paying for it as contained within the savings the U.S. would receive from the modified trade bill with Mexico.

BTW: I'm pretty sure that he could classify this as an Emergency Spending Bill for National Defense. It will be very hard for this to be declared a partisan issue when the effect will be to secure the rights of all "citizens" and to protect the massive cash outlay to accommodate illegals, which affects all taxpayers.

Now if the bill disenfranchised actual taxpaying citizens perhaps an argument against could be made. But it doesn't.

He said Mexico would write a one time check for 5-10 million dollars. Since that didn’t happen he’s now selling y’all a different pig in a poke.

It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.

Being a little picky here. I really don't care who pays for it but I would get a kick out of any plan that made you dims foot the bill somehow.
01-11-2019 08:27 AM
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RE: trump Considering Declaring National Emergency to Build Wall
(01-11-2019 07:44 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:08 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Source?

And you do realize he's talking about taking money from the Department of Defense of America and not Mexico, right?

I actually realize that the entire "Mexico will pay for the wall" comment never meant Mexico would write a check prior to construction.

So that dis doesn't work on me.

I think most people understand that Mexico will inevitably pay for the wall.

Mexico knows it, too.

Money will stay in the US that used to flow to Mexico.

Money that stays in the US will be taxed.

There's many different ways that Mexico will pay for the wall.

And if it comes to fruition, they'll pay dearly.

Trump said Mexico would make a one time payment of 5-10 billion dollars.

He explained that in an interview this morning saying that Mexico would be paying for it as contained within the savings the U.S. would receive from the modified trade bill with Mexico.

BTW: I'm pretty sure that he could classify this as an Emergency Spending Bill for National Defense. It will be very hard for this to be declared a partisan issue when the effect will be to secure the rights of all "citizens" and to protect the massive cash outlay to accommodate illegals, which affects all taxpayers.

Now if the bill disenfranchised actual taxpaying citizens perhaps an argument against could be made. But it doesn't.

He said Mexico would write a one time check for 5-10 million dollars. Since that didn’t happen he’s now selling y’all a different pig in a poke.

It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.

Sounds like someone's not having a good morning.

I'm still not tired of winning.
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