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(01-08-2019 12:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  From what I've seen, current increases are due to VISA overstays and not those coming illegally across the border...especially the southern one.

We'll fix that, too. Step 1 is the wall, something that prevents a future democratic president from opening the floodgates, a la merkel.

Makes sense, the bigger issue with the terror threats to our country is VISA overstays and illegal entries at airports, so we'll shut down government that's starting to effect screenings at our airports in order to build a wall first.

Idiots.

The #SchumerShutdown2.0 could end today if schumer would get on board with what he claims he is in favor of. dems say they are for border security, but vote against everything that would secure the border.
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Why do you hate America Tom?
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(01-08-2019 01:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

And a ton of environmentalist, who think nothing of taking land and/or land usage rights from private citizens in the name of environmentalism—-will say that taking land and/or property usage rights from private citizens for the Wall is wrong. See....anyone can do that. I can also use the issue to explain to you why schools can’t pay teachers more and why hospital bills are so high.
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(01-08-2019 02:05 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Why do you hate America Tom?

Not sure if you realize this, but any money for this stunt will come directly from the defense budget if anything, which will compromise actual aspects of national security.
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(01-08-2019 02:05 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Why do you hate America Tom?

Not sure if you realize this, but any money for this stunt will come directly from the defense budget if anything, which will compromise actual aspects of national security.

We owe 20,000,000,000,000+ I don't give a fcuk where it comes from.
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(01-08-2019 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:44 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  From what I've seen, current increases are due to VISA overstays and not those coming illegally across the border...especially the southern one.

We'll fix that, too. Step 1 is the wall, something that prevents a future democratic president from opening the floodgates, a la merkel.

Makes sense, the bigger issue with the terror threats to our country is VISA overstays and illegal entries at airports, so we'll shut down government that's starting to effect screenings at our airports in order to build a wall first.

Idiots.

Yeah when Trump ordered a temp ban from Terrorist countries your team sued.
Same deal with DACA, same deal ending temp statues for Haitians, and Salvadorans
leftist filed lawsuits. BTW illegal entries at airports are very difficult.
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(01-08-2019 01:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Opposition to eminent domain is usually when it is done to benefit private enterprise with its hands in the pockets of all the local political hacks (ie a mixed use development) or related public use (ie to build an otherwise unnecessary road to get to that mixed use development). I don't think you'll see any articles from those think tanks opposing eminent domain for national emergencies, essential public use (ie schools), or to avert a threat to sovereignty.
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Republicans built the transcontinental railroad.
Republicans built the interstate highway system.

Republicans will eventually build the wall.
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(01-08-2019 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 02:05 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Why do you hate America Tom?

Not sure if you realize this, but any money for this stunt will come directly from the defense budget if anything, which will compromise actual aspects of national security.

which aspects?

please explain how 5.7b out of the 1.3t defense budget will compromise "actual aspects" of national security....

good luck with that bubby....
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(01-08-2019 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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Opposition to eminent domain is usually when it is done to benefit private enterprise with its hands in the pockets of all the local political hacks (ie a mixed use development) or related public use (ie to build an otherwise unnecessary road to get to that mixed use development). I don't think you'll see any articles from those think tanks opposing eminent domain for national emergencies, essential public use (ie schools), or to avert a threat to sovereignty.

Yeah, but this ain't no national emergency. If he actually goes through with this stunt, sit back and watch...it's going to be a blood-bath if the government attempts to seize land in Texas.
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(01-08-2019 02:37 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
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(01-08-2019 02:05 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Why do you hate America Tom?

Not sure if you realize this, but any money for this stunt will come directly from the defense budget if anything, which will compromise actual aspects of national security.

which aspects?

please explain how 5.7b out of the 1.3t defense budget will compromise "actual aspects" of national security....

good luck with that bubby....

So, you're saying that we could easily cut out 5.7 billion from our current defense budget and not compromise any security? Good luck selling that to the R's in congress, Bubby. 03-wink
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(01-08-2019 02:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, but this ain't no national emergency. If he actually goes through with this stunt, sit back and watch...it's going to be a blood-bath if the government attempts to seize land in Texas.

I'm enjoying watching you capitulate in real time. You're beginning to realize that it's going to happen, now you're just grasping for legal straws.

Won't work. Build the wall.
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(01-05-2019 09:01 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 06:59 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  
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(01-04-2019 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yea...source?

Lol, has Trump realized that if he takes money from the Defense budget, which he would have to do to use the national emergency policy, then hed be taking money away from our soldiers.

And I suspect that the courts are going to make quick work of this plan.

Not sure how. Its the defense of the border. Caravans of 15K are marching toward the border monthly. We have had an illegal alien issue for half a century which is getting worse. He's already been forced to send troops to border. And frankly--he's doing something that most of the Democrats voting against the measure have already either agreed to do or have said needed to be done. What---70% of the nation agrees that we have a serious issue on the border than that we need a wall.

I mean, the Dems will venue shop to make sure they win the initial round in court---but Trump has basically loaded the SC so that liberal non-sense wont fly once it hits the Supreme Court. I think its probably time for the Democrats to end the Schumer Shutdown and vote to fund the wall. Its all politics on their side. Nobody with common sense thinks it makes sense to shut down the government to prevent a wall from being built. Chuck and Nancy are losing the common sense argument with the common people, but what else is new....

I doubt any court will agree with the idea that potential asylum seekers and economic migrants are a threat to national security...


You misspelled illegal alien...

Why, yes, he did.
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(01-08-2019 02:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 02:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, but this ain't no national emergency. If he actually goes through with this stunt, sit back and watch...it's going to be a blood-bath if the government attempts to seize land in Texas.

I'm enjoying watching you capitulate in real time. You're beginning to admit that it's going to happen, now you're just grasping for legal straws.

Won't work. Build the wall.

Delusional as always. This wall will NEVER be built.
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(01-08-2019 02:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 02:37 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 02:05 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Why do you hate America Tom?

Not sure if you realize this, but any money for this stunt will come directly from the defense budget if anything, which will compromise actual aspects of national security.

which aspects?

please explain how 5.7b out of the 1.3t defense budget will compromise "actual aspects" of national security....

good luck with that bubby....

So, you're saying that we could easily cut out 5.7 billion from our current defense budget and not compromise any security? Good luck selling that to the R's in congress, Bubby. 03-wink

per the AUP, the onus is on you to defend your position chief....what aspects are you talking about other than the hullabaloo that feeds the trees from your chocolate starfish

the red rowing crew is already on board....
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(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:24 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yea...source?

Lol, has Trump realized that if he takes money from the Defense budget, which he would have to do to use the national emergency policy, then hed be taking money away from our soldiers.

And I suspect that the courts are going to make quick work of this plan.

Not sure how. Its the defense of the border. Caravans of 15K are marching toward the border monthly. We have had an illegal alien issue for half a century which is getting worse. He's already been forced to send troops to border. And frankly--he's doing something that most of the Democrats voting against the measure have already either agreed to do or have said needed to be done. What---70% of the nation agrees that we have a serious issue on the border than that we need a wall.

I mean, the Dems will venue shop to make sure they win the initial round in court---but Trump has basically loaded the SC so that liberal non-sense wont fly once it hits the Supreme Court. I think its probably time for the Democrats to end the Schumer Shutdown and vote to fund the wall. Its all politics on their side. Nobody with common sense thinks it makes sense to shut down the government to prevent a wall from being built. Chuck and Nancy are losing the common sense argument with the common people, but what else is new....

Is it? Do you have a source for this?


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illega...tatistics/

Pay attention to the number of apprehensions not just the number of illegal immigrants.

Right...and...

Quote:How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017.

That's the "getting worse" part that is highlighted in the previous post. The point is that for half a century it is getting worse. Although the total number of people entering illegally in the US has leveled off we are apprehending much less.
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(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:24 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yea...source?

Lol, has Trump realized that if he takes money from the Defense budget, which he would have to do to use the national emergency policy, then hed be taking money away from our soldiers.

And I suspect that the courts are going to make quick work of this plan.

Not sure how. Its the defense of the border. Caravans of 15K are marching toward the border monthly. We have had an illegal alien issue for half a century which is getting worse. He's already been forced to send troops to border. And frankly--he's doing something that most of the Democrats voting against the measure have already either agreed to do or have said needed to be done. What---70% of the nation agrees that we have a serious issue on the border than that we need a wall.

I mean, the Dems will venue shop to make sure they win the initial round in court---but Trump has basically loaded the SC so that liberal non-sense wont fly once it hits the Supreme Court. I think its probably time for the Democrats to end the Schumer Shutdown and vote to fund the wall. Its all politics on their side. Nobody with common sense thinks it makes sense to shut down the government to prevent a wall from being built. Chuck and Nancy are losing the common sense argument with the common people, but what else is new....

Is it? Do you have a source for this?


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illega...tatistics/

Pay attention to the number of apprehensions not just the number of illegal immigrants.

Right...and...

Quote:How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017.

The ones from the previous years dont leave. The issue is cumulative--thus its getting worse every year. As for illegal immigration rising or falling in any given year---who knows? The numbers are never going to be anything more than a sophisticated wild azz guess. Its not like there is paperwork for every person crossing the border illegally. These people are trying to stay off the grid---so Im virtually certain any number out there is understating the number of illegals in the US as well as the number crossing illegally in any given year. No agency who's job is to stop illegals is likely to say they are doing a terrible job of stemming the tide. If you've ever dealt with any illegals personally---you'd know that 10 to 20 laborers will often live in a single apartment. How do you even start to figure how many people are in the nation when they are actively hiding from detection.
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(01-08-2019 03:19 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:24 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Not sure how. Its the defense of the border. Caravans of 15K are marching toward the border monthly. We have had an illegal alien issue for half a century which is getting worse. He's already been forced to send troops to border. And frankly--he's doing something that most of the Democrats voting against the measure have already either agreed to do or have said needed to be done. What---70% of the nation agrees that we have a serious issue on the border than that we need a wall.

I mean, the Dems will venue shop to make sure they win the initial round in court---but Trump has basically loaded the SC so that liberal non-sense wont fly once it hits the Supreme Court. I think its probably time for the Democrats to end the Schumer Shutdown and vote to fund the wall. Its all politics on their side. Nobody with common sense thinks it makes sense to shut down the government to prevent a wall from being built. Chuck and Nancy are losing the common sense argument with the common people, but what else is new....

Is it? Do you have a source for this?


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illega...tatistics/

Pay attention to the number of apprehensions not just the number of illegal immigrants.

Right...and...

Quote:How many people are crossing the border illegally?
There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017.

That's the "getting worse" part that is highlighted in the previous post. The point is that for half a century it is getting worse. Although the total number of people entering illegally in the US has leveled off we are apprehending much less.

03-confused

That makes no sense. We are apprehending less and only have a slightly smaller number of border agents per the factcheck link.
Quote:In fiscal year 2017, there were 19,437 border patrol agents. The number peaked in fiscal year 2011 at 21,444, so it has declined a bit since then. But the number of agents is still much larger than it was about two decades ago.

Additionally, from the link:
Quote:Since fiscal 2011, removals have been higher each year than returns. Before that, the reverse was true.

So we are removing more than are returning.

How again is the problem getting worse? Less apprehensions and we have no real indicator of how many are coming in. How can anyone say that it's getting worse with no real statistics to back that up?
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The crisis, IMO, is not caravans of illegals. I still think that was a photo-op for MSM.

The crisis is 1) the influx of opioids and illegal drugs, and 2) human trafficking. Mexican cartels are no joke, and the cartels and gangs are the criminals coming into this country and ruining us from within. I still have yet to see a MS-13 gang member overstay his Visa. If you think they were approved and got a work Visa, I've got a few more plots on the moon to sell you.
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