Figured its a good time to take a look at how and where teams in our stack up in relation to each other:

Adjusted Offensive Efficiency:
1. SMU: (#31 nationally)
2. Cincinnati (#41)
3. UCF : (#50)
4. Memphis (#61)
5. Houston : (#79)
6. UConn : (#107)
7. Temple : (#108)
8. Wichita State (#153)
9. Tulsa (#156)
10. USF : (#274)
11. Tulane: (#288)
12: ECU : (#327)

Adjusted Defensive Efficiency:
1. Houston (#11)
2. Cincinnati (#14)
3. UCF ( #46)
4. Temple (#59)
5. USF ( #75)
6. UCONN : (#98)
7. Wichita State (#102)
8. Tulsa (#106)
9. Memphis : (#129)
10. ECU (#138)
11: SMU : (#182)
12: Tulane: (#245)

Points per Game:
1. Memphis : 85
2. UCONN: 80
3. SMU: 77
4. UCF: 77
5. Cincinnati : 75
6. USF: 75
7. Houston: 74
8. Temple: 74
9. Tulsa 71
10. Wichita State: 70
11. ECU: 70
12: Tulane : 68

FG%
1. UCF : 49%
2. UCONN : 47%
3. Memphis: 47%
3. Cincinnati 47%
3. SMU: 47%
6: Tulsa : 45%
7. Temple: 44%
7. USF: 44%
9. Tulane: 44%
10: Houston: 43%
11: ECU: 43%
12: Wichita State: 41%

3-Point FG%
1. UCF: 37%
2. Cincinnati 37%
3. SMU: 36%
4. UCONN: 35%
5. Tulane: 35%
6. Memphis: 34%
6. USF: 34%
8. Houston: 33%
9. Tulsa: 32%
10: Temple: 31%
11: Wichita State: 31%
12: ECU: 27%

UCF looks good but with the varied OOC SOS, it may be misleading.

Have to post one positive, ECU Fr Jayden Gardner is tied for 2nd in the league in scoring at 18.8 ppg, 2nd in RPG, and 5th in FG%. He's posted 6 games over 20 points and 3 over 25 as well as 5 double doubles.

Other than that we still suck.

What sticks out to me is what a huge drastic improvement UCF has made on the offensive end of the ball.
They had a lot of injuries last year but even still, the jump from the the #281 ranked offense all the way to what its now a top 50 offense is just insane.

That said, they've regressed a lot on the defensive side of the ball but when you make that kind of improvement on the offense, it makes you a much more balanced team who can score.

Houston has moved into the top spot defensively, which for me, was only a matter of time. UC and Houston's defenses are both elite however Houston excels at stopping the 3 ball and UC protects the paint. UC generates much more Turnovers but Houston's perimeter pressure makes team get stagnant and wears on them.

Cincinnati is a huge surprise on the offensive side of the ball. This maybe one of the most balanced teams thats its had in awhile, ranking 2nd on both sides of the ball. UC has moved in virtual tie with UCF in 3 point FG%, which no one would have expected. That said, UC is taking very few 3 point shots and is instead, only shooting when they are truly open. Jarron Cumberland and Justin Jenifer both are shooting 48% from 3 which is good for 2nd and 3rd in the league.

What sticks out to me about WSU is how poorly they shoot the 3 ball and yet, how often they continue to shoot it. The Shockers have attempted 317 3 pointers (2nd only to Houston) and yet are only making 31% of them. Against Memphis, that was the glaring issue I saw. No one wanted to take it into the teeth of the defense. Its also why the shockers are 9th in free throws attempted.


The offense in this league is dreadful. If we want this league to be something people want to watch, then we have to collectively start playing a more fun brand of basketball. Memphis is fun, but also plays a little too care free. The two best teams in the league, Houston and Cincinnati, both play unwatchable styles of basketball that only appeals to its own fanbases. Just 3 top 50 offenses is bad news

(01-04-2019 10:39 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  UCF looks good but with the varied OOC SOS, it may be misleading.

Its an adjusted efficiency, so technically the bad opponents should be factored in. Still think the leap they've made on offense is remarkable.

(01-04-2019 10:49 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Have to post one positive, ECU Fr Jayden Gardner is tied for 2nd in the league in scoring at 18.8 ppg, 2nd in RPG, and 5th in FG%. He's posted 6 games over 20 points and 3 over 25 as well as 5 double doubles.

Other than that we still suck.

is Gardner a PF or C at 6'6? I just looked at his stats and they are pretty impressive for a freshman and very efficient.

He's 6th in the country at drawing fouls. And 10th at free throw rate. Knowing how to get fouled is a skill not many players possess.

Just gotta wonder how he does against bigger beefier guys. I guess will find out saturday. we never play well at ECU and especially at Noon tip games

(01-04-2019 10:50 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What sticks out to me is what a huge drastic improvement UCF has made on the offensive end of the ball.
They had a lot of injuries last year but even still, the jump from the the #281 ranked offense all the way to what its now a top 50 offense is just insane.

That said, they've regressed a lot on the defensive side of the ball but when you make that kind of improvement on the offense, it makes you a much more balanced team who can score.

Houston has moved into the top spot defensively, which for me, was only a matter of time. UC and Houston's defenses are both elite however Houston excels at stopping the 3 ball and UC protects the paint. UC generates much more Turnovers but Houston's perimeter pressure makes team get stagnant and wears on them.

Cincinnati is a huge surprise on the offensive side of the ball. This maybe one of the most balanced teams thats its had in awhile, ranking 2nd on both sides of the ball. UC has moved in virtual tie with UCF in 3 point FG%, which no one would have expected. That said, UC is taking very few 3 point shots and is instead, only shooting when they are truly open. Jarron Cumberland and Justin Jenifer both are shooting 48% from 3 which is good for 2nd and 3rd in the league.

What sticks out to me about WSU is how poorly they shoot the 3 ball and yet, how often they continue to shoot it. The Shockers have attempted 317 3 pointers (2nd only to Houston) and yet are only making 31% of them. Against Memphis, that was the glaring issue I saw. No one wanted to take it into the teeth of the defense. Its also why the shockers are 9th in free throws attempted.


The offense in this league is dreadful. If we want this league to be something people want to watch, then we have to collectively start playing a more fun brand of basketball. Memphis is fun, but also plays a little too care free. The two best teams in the league, Houston and Cincinnati, both play unwatchable styles of basketball that only appeals to its own fanbases. Just 3 top 50 offenses is bad news

We shoot poorly all around. 40% as a team all around. Too many forced shots. A lot of them by the 2 players that SHOULD know best what a good shot is (Mcduffie/SHJ). They instead try to shoulder the load when they aren't built for that.

(01-04-2019 10:49 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  ..... we still suck.

If you're looking for a debate there you won't find it.

For UC to be legit, they need that offense to be higher. Top 25 offense along with a top 15 defense usually spells tourney runs.

Also, UC/UH games are going to be 62-59 type games.

surprised to see us have a pretty decent three point clip considering we only have two outliers and the rest below the mendoza line. i expect jarron and jenifer to come back to earth a bit. the emergence of trevor moore will be crucial in the days where we aren't effective slashers and/or our bigs have off nights

(01-04-2019 11:43 AM)Lush Wrote:  surprised to see us have a pretty decent three point clip considering we only have two outliers and the rest below the mendoza line. i expect jarron and jenifer to come back to earth a bit. the emergence of trevor moore will be crucial in the days where we aren't effective slashers and/or our bigs have off nights

Broome really needs to find his stroke too. He shot 39% last year; this year he is 5 for 30. Just awful. Hate to see him struggling the way he has as a senior. Hopefully that Tulane game will get him going.

(01-04-2019 10:50 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Houston and Cincinnati, both play unwatchable styles of basketball that only appeals to its own fanbases. Just 3 top 50 offenses is bad news

i dont agree with that at all...houston offense is bad for the 1st 10 minutes of the game but the last 30 are always crazy exciting

the announcers at our tulsa games, it was his 1st time calling a houston game and he went nuts the 2nd half and started making jokes that he has to move to houston becuase we were so fun to watch

if you remove the 1st 10 minutes of games we'd probably be ranked one of the best offenses in the nation..we just start slow

(01-04-2019 12:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 10:50 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Houston and Cincinnati, both play unwatchable styles of basketball that only appeals to its own fanbases. Just 3 top 50 offenses is bad news

i dont agree with that at all...houston offense is bad for the 1st 10 minutes of the game but the last 30 are always crazy exciting

the announcers at our tulsa games, it was his 1st time calling a houston game and he went nuts the 2nd half and started making jokes that he has to move to houston becuase we were so fun to watch

if you remove the 1st 10 minutes of games we'd probably be ranked one of the best offenses in the nation..we just start slow

Ok. You take offense to everything.

Ugly basketball is scoring in the low 70’s, missing a ton of shots, not being a top 50 offense, fouling an insane amount on the defense end. Your games are very choppy because of the fouling. Houston fouled 20 times against Tulsa.

Houston basketball is not pretty, not entertaining to watch, especially with out Rob Gray. I’m sure it’s awesome for Houston fans to finally be relevant but that’s not what I’m
Talking about. I’m talking about casual basketball fans having zero interest in watching Houston basketball.

It’s not a diss. UC was top 15 for most of the year last season and they still played ugly basketball that most people would rather watch another game on at the same time.

Lol.... the announcers at the Houston-Tulsa game were an absolute joke. You take some nobody covering an espn3 game word as the gospel.

No one wants to watch AAC basketball unless your an AAC basketball fan.


Houston and Cincinnati play slow tempo basketball. It’s the opposite of what the rockets do, who are actually entertaining.




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(01-04-2019 12:24 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 12:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 10:50 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Houston and Cincinnati, both play unwatchable styles of basketball that only appeals to its own fanbases. Just 3 top 50 offenses is bad news

i dont agree with that at all...houston offense is bad for the 1st 10 minutes of the game but the last 30 are always crazy exciting

the announcers at our tulsa games, it was his 1st time calling a houston game and he went nuts the 2nd half and started making jokes that he has to move to houston becuase we were so fun to watch

if you remove the 1st 10 minutes of games we'd probably be ranked one of the best offenses in the nation..we just start slow

Ok. You take offense to everything.

Ugly basketball is scoring in the low 70’s, missing a ton of shots, not being a top 50 offense, fouling an insane amount on the defense end. Your games are very choppy because of the fouling. Houston fouled 20 times against Tulsa.

Houston basketball is not pretty, not entertaining to watch, especially with out Rob Gray. I’m sure it’s awesome for Houston fans to finally be relevant but that’s not what I’m
Talking about. I’m talking about casual basketball fans having zero interest in watching Houston basketball.

It’s not a diss. UC was top 15 for most of the year last season and they still played ugly basketball that most people would rather watch another game on at the same time.

Lol.... the announcers at the Houston-Tulsa game were an absolute joke. You take some nobody covering an espn3 game word as the gospel.

No one wants to watch AAC basketball unless your an AAC basketball fan.


Houston and Cincinnati play slow tempo basketball. It’s the opposite of what the rockets do, who are actually entertaining.




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im not offended, i just said i didnt agree, you didn't say anything offensive to be offended by

1) the slow start affects the score
2) people love comebacks
3) our games aren't choppy...rewatch the Tulsa game (or skim through )..the game was exciting despite it being a borderline blowout because we kept putting up highlight plays
4) we love to push the pace..you are acting like we intentional slow it down... something our beat writer noted was teams who can't find easy shoots take longer to shoot (in respect to our possessions)

(01-04-2019 10:54 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 10:49 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Have to post one positive, ECU Fr Jayden Gardner is tied for 2nd in the league in scoring at 18.8 ppg, 2nd in RPG, and 5th in FG%. He's posted 6 games over 20 points and 3 over 25 as well as 5 double doubles.

Other than that we still suck.

is Gardner a PF or C at 6'6? I just looked at his stats and they are pretty impressive for a freshman and very efficient.

He's 6th in the country at drawing fouls. And 10th at free throw rate. Knowing how to get fouled is a skill not many players possess.

Just gotta wonder how he does against bigger beefier guys. I guess will find out saturday. we never play well at ECU and especially at Noon tip games

That's a question many of us asked also, some of this was when it was out of hand but he had 16 and 7 against SMU the other night. He's essentially playing C for us but is a F, plays below the rim but is still able to rebound and score very well in the paint.

It will be interesting to see what we'll do with him next year assuming we get the two 6'9" guys we're after as true Centers. Either way we were very, very lucky to get Gardner, had he been 6'8" or over an ACC school would've scooped him up quickly.

Final Standings will be:

1. UC
2. UH
3. UCF
4. Temple
5. UCONN

book it