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Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010?
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RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010?
(01-14-2019 01:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 09:12 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big XII should have taken TCU, West Virginia, Houston, Louisville, Cincinnati, and Memphis to get to Big 14. They would have forced ACC to take UConn leaving no Big East football

The counter to that, of course, is the ACC should have taken SU, Pitt, WVU, and Louisville back in September of 2011 and then when Maryland bolted taken either Cincy or UConn. Would have left the B12 with TCU and who?

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Neil
BYU would almost certainly be the pick at that point effectively sliding into the spot WV has now.

Also available: Cincinnati/UConn, UCF, Memphis, UH, Tulane, CSU
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RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010?
(01-14-2019 01:20 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 01:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 09:12 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big XII should have taken TCU, West Virginia, Houston, Louisville, Cincinnati, and Memphis to get to Big 14. They would have forced ACC to take UConn leaving no Big East football

The counter to that, of course, is the ACC should have taken SU, Pitt, WVU, and Louisville back in September of 2011 and then when Maryland bolted taken either Cincy or UConn. Would have left the B12 with TCU and who?

Cheers,
Neil
BYU would almost certainly be the pick at that point effectively sliding into the spot WV has now.

Also available: Cincinnati/UConn, UCF, Memphis, UH, Tulane, CSU

I think the ACC would've had the pick of the litter over the XII. After the departures of Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri, the XII lost a bit of its luster and was viewed as unstable. That doesn't mean a school would've turned down the XII - in fact, Louisville publicly announced it wanted into the conference - but it seems the ACC would've been the preferred destination.

I am of the opinion the ACC should've done what it could to keep Maryland. I also believe Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Boston College should be kept together but that is a personal matter. In our timeline, with Maryland and Rutgers going to the B1G, the ACC was left at 13 (including Pittsburgh and Syracuse). I believe the ACC should've gone to 14 with West Virginia. Not an academic peer but neither is Louisville. If they wanted to go to 16 and Notre Dame wasn't an option, then Louisville and Cincinnati.

For the XII, if West Virginia was not an option because the ACC had them, then go from 8 (after the 4 defections) to 12 with TCU, Houston, Louisville, and Cincinnati; to 14 with Central Florida and South Florida; and to 16 with Memphis and BYU (football-only).

Both conferences would've been more stable. If the ACC went to 14 and the XII went to 16:

PAC, B1G, and SEC would be as-is today.

ACC
North: Miami, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College
South: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Virginia

XII (or XVI)
West: BYU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech
East: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Central Florida, South Florida
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RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010?
(01-14-2019 03:22 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 01:20 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 01:04 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 09:12 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big XII should have taken TCU, West Virginia, Houston, Louisville, Cincinnati, and Memphis to get to Big 14. They would have forced ACC to take UConn leaving no Big East football

The counter to that, of course, is the ACC should have taken SU, Pitt, WVU, and Louisville back in September of 2011 and then when Maryland bolted taken either Cincy or UConn. Would have left the B12 with TCU and who?

Cheers,
Neil
BYU would almost certainly be the pick at that point effectively sliding into the spot WV has now.

Also available: Cincinnati/UConn, UCF, Memphis, UH, Tulane, CSU

I think the ACC would've had the pick of the litter over the XII. After the departures of Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri, the XII lost a bit of its luster and was viewed as unstable. That doesn't mean a school would've turned down the XII - in fact, Louisville publicly announced it wanted into the conference - but it seems the ACC would've been the preferred destination.

I am of the opinion the ACC should've done what it could to keep Maryland. I also believe Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Boston College should be kept together but that is a personal matter. In our timeline, with Maryland and Rutgers going to the B1G, the ACC was left at 13 (including Pittsburgh and Syracuse). I believe the ACC should've gone to 14 with West Virginia. Not an academic peer but neither is Louisville. If they wanted to go to 16 and Notre Dame wasn't an option, then Louisville and Cincinnati.

For the XII, if West Virginia was not an option because the ACC had them, then go from 8 (after the 4 defections) to 12 with TCU, Houston, Louisville, and Cincinnati; to 14 with Central Florida and South Florida; and to 16 with Memphis and BYU (football-only).

Both conferences would've been more stable. If the ACC went to 14 and the XII went to 16:

PAC, B1G, and SEC would be as-is today.

ACC
North: Miami, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College
South: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Virginia

XII (or XVI)
West: BYU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas Tech
East: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Central Florida, South Florida

No way the Big 12 would have gone past 12, if they even went past ten. Probably looking at some two team combo of BYU, TCU, UL, and UC if they wanted ten.
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RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010?
I love the Boise St enthusiasm but Idaho is the superior school.

Idaho 2017 endowment: $265M
Boise St 2017 endowment: $101M
Idaho USNWR ranking: National, 165
Boise St USNWR ranking: National, 230-301
Idaho designations: flagship, land-grant, space-grant
Boise St designations: -N/A-
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